Undeniable Proof Fluoride is BAD For You

This is a response to a great thread here www.abovetopsecret.com... and the amazing comments found on this thread as it seems too many people are drinking too much fluoride if they think that it's ok to consume....

Let's start from the top....

So what exactly is Fluoride?

Well for the purpose of this article, there are two types, Sodium Fluoride and Calcium Fluoride

Calcium Fluoride appears naturally in underground water sources and even seawater.

Sodium Fluoride is a synthetic waste product of the nuclear, aluminum, and phosphate fertilizer industries. This fluoride has an amazing capacity to combine and increase the potency of other toxic materials. The sodium fluoride obtained from industrial waste and added to water supplies is also already contaminated with lead, aluminum, and cadmium. It damages the liver and kidneys, weakens the immune system, possibly leading to cancer, creates symptoms that mimic fibromyalgia, and performs as a Trojan Horse to carry aluminum across the blood brain barrier. The latter is recognized as a source of the notorious “dumbing down” with lower IQ’s and Alzheimer’s effects of fluoride. Various permutations of Sodium Fluoride are also in many insecticides for homes and pesticides for crops. Sometimes it is even added to baby foods and bottled waters. If you live in a water fluoridated area, purchase commercially grown fruits, especially grapes, and vegetables that are chemically sprayed and grown areas irrigated by fluoridated water, you are getting a triple whammy! Better skip that fluoridated toothpaste!

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Besides tap water, what else is Sodium Fluoride found in?

1. Toothpaste – As of April 7th, 1997, the United States FDA (Food & Drug Administration) has required that all fluoride toothpastes sold in the U.S. carry a poison warning on the label. The warning cautions toothpaste users to:“WARNING: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek professional help or contact a poison control center immediately.” For data on how much fluoride children ingest from toothpaste, click here .

Ever wondered why there's an FDA poison label on your toothpaste??

2. Infant Formula

3. Processed Cereals – “During manufacturing, infant dry cereals are processed in a slurry and placed in a revolving drying drum. The water from the slurry evaporates, and the fluoride from the water remains in the cereal. Thus, the fluoride concentration of the water used during processing can substantially affect the final fluoride concentration… Infants who eat large quantities of dry infant cereals reconstituted with fluoridated water could ingest substantial quantities of fluoride

Get em' while their young...

4. Juices – “Our data suggest that young children who regularly or frequently drink substantial quantities of [juice] possibly should not receive dietary fluoride supplements, since they might be at increased risk of developing dental fluorosis.” – Kiritsy MC, et al. (1996). Assessing fluoride concentrations of juices and juice-flavored drinks. Journal of the American Dental Association 127(7):895-902.

5. Soda – “Seventy-one percent of the [sodas] had fluoride levels exceeding 0.60 ppm, which is considered to contain sufficient fluoride so that dietary fluoride supplements are contraindicated.”- Heilman JR, et al. (1999). Assessing fluoride levels of carbonated soft drinks. Journal of the American Dental Association 130(11):1593-9.

6. Wine – “Analyses of nineteen California wines revealed fluoride concentrations ranging from 0.23 to 2.80 ppm (mean 1.02 ppm, with seven samples above the international limit of 1 ppm).” – Burgstahler AW, et al. (1997). Fluoride in California wines and raisins. Fluoride 30: 142-146.

7. Beer – “Soda and beer bottled with fluoridated water contain 0.7 to 1 ppm fluoride; consumption of these beverages is almost certainly more variable among individuals than consumption of water… If beer contains 0.7 ppm fluoride, heavy beer-drinkers may ingest more than 4 mg daily from beer alone.” – Groth, E. (1973), Two Issues of Science and Public Policy: Air Pollution Control in the San Francisco Bay Area, and Fluoridation of Community Water Supplies. Ph.D. Dissertation, Department of Biological Sciences, Stanford University, May 1973.

8. Teflon Pans – “Teflon-lined cookware contributes to the fluoride ingested by humans. Full and Parkins boiled fluoridated water at a moderate rate until a one-third or one-half reduction in volume was attained, then determined the fluoride content of the residual water… In Teflon-coated ware, the concentration of fluoride ion increased to nearly 3 ppm.

9. Rat Poison – Since the 1800s, fluoride has been a key component in rat poison and insecticides. When mixed into grain or other food, rats will readily consume the poison and die

Fluoride is a key component in rat poison!!

And number 10, wait for it, wait for it......

10. PROZAC! – Part of the main ingredient in Prozac is fluoride. Talk about dumbing down society.

Countries that said no to fluoridation....

Germany: “Generally, in Germany fluoridation of drinking water is forbidden. The relevant German law allows exceptions to the fluoridation ban on application. The argumentation of the Federal Ministry of Health against a general permission of fluoridation of drinking water is the problematic nature of compuls[ory] medication.” (Gerda Hankel-Khan, Embassy of Federal Republic of Germany, September 16, 1999). www.fluoridealert.org/Germany.jpeg

France: “Fluoride chemicals are not included in the list [of 'chemicals for drinking water treatment']. This is due to ethical as well as medical considerations.” (Louis Sanchez, Directeur de la Protection de l’Environment, August 25, 2000). www.fluoridealert.org/France.jpeg

Belgium: “This water treatment has never been of use in Belgium and will never be (we hope so) into the future. The main reason for that is the fundamental position of the drinking water sector that it is not its task to deliver medicinal treatment to people. This is the sole responsibility of health services.” (Chr. Legros, Directeur, Belgaqua, Brussels, Belgium, February 28, 2000). www.fluoridation.com/c-belgium.htm

Luxembourg: “Fluoride has never been added to the public water supplies in Luxembourg. In our views, the drinking water isn’t the suitable way for medicinal treatment and that people needing an addition of fluoride can decide by their own to use the most appropriate way, like the intake of fluoride tablets, to cover their [daily] needs.” (Jean-Marie RIES, Head, Water Department, Administration De L’Environment, May 3, 2000). www.fluoridealert.org/luxembourg.jpeg

Sweden: “Drinking water fluoridation is not allowed in Sweden…New scientific documentation or changes in dental health situation that could alter the conclusions of the Commission have not been shown.” (Gunnar Guzikowski, Chief Government Inspector, Livsmedels Verket — National Food Administration Drinking Water Division, Sweden, February 28, 2000). www.fluoridation.com/c-sweden.htm

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Norway: “In Norway we had a rather intense discussion on this subject some 20 years ago, and the conclusion was that drinking water should not be fluoridated.” (Truls Krogh & Toril Hofshagen, Folkehelsa Statens institutt for folkeheise (National Institute of Public Health) Oslo, Norway, March 1, 2000). www.fluoridation.com/c-norway.htm

Finland: “We do not favor or recommend fluoridation of drinking water. There are better ways of providing the fluoride our teeth need.” (Paavo Poteri, Acting Managing Director, Helsinki Water, Finland, February 7, 2000). www.fluoridation.com/c-finland.htm

Northern Ireland: “The water supply in Northern Ireland has never been artificially fluoridated except in 2 small localities where fluoride was added to the water for about 30 years up to last year. Fluoridation ceased at these locations for operational reasons. At this time, there are no plans to commence fluoridation of water supplies in Northern Ireland.” (C.J. Grimes, Department for Regional Development, Belfast, November 6, 2000). www.fluoridealert.org/northern-ireland.jpeg

Austria: “Toxic fluorides have never been added to the public water supplies in Austria.” (M. Eisenhut, Head of Water Department, Osterreichische Yereinigung fur das Gas-und Wasserfach Schubertring 14, A-1015 Wien, Austria, February 17, 2000). www.fluoridation.com/c-austria.htm

Denmark: "never been added":
Austria: "toxic fluorides have never been added"
Northern Ireland: "never been added..except 2 localities...has now ceased"
Finland: "we do not favor or recommend fluoridation of drinking water"
Norway "In Norway we had a rather intense discussion on this subject some 20 years ago, and the conclusion was that drinking water should not be fluoridated." REALLY, 20 YEARS AGO!!!
Sweden: “Drinking water fluoridation is not allowed in Sweden"
Luxembourg: “Fluoride has never been added to the public water supplies in Luxembourg."...."
Belgium: “This water treatment has never been of use in Belgium"
Germany: “Generally, in Germany fluoridation of drinking water is forbidden"

The US has been fluoridating water since 1945!!

Watch Dr Bill Osmunson, DDS, MPH (dentist for 30 years and has his masters in public health) give a 5 min presentation on the health risks of water fluoridation.

As of 26th May 2011, 3692 medical professionals have signed the statement calling for the end of water fluoridation.
• 650 Nurses (RN, MSN, BSN, ARNP, APRN, LNC, RGON)
• 533 DC’s (Doctor of Chiropractic, includes M Chiro)
• 457 PhD’s - includes DSc, Doctor of Science; EdD (Doctor of Education); DrPH (Doctor of Public Health)
• 397 MD’s (includes MBBS)
• 311 Dentists (DDS, DMD, BDS)
• 155 ND’s (Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine)
• 82 Lawyers (JD, LLB, Avvocato)
• 82 Pharmacists (Pharm.D, B. Pharm, DPh, RPH)
• 77 RDHs (Registered Dental Hygienist); also DH, RDHAP, EFDA, RDAEF, and RDN
• 59 Acupuncturists (LAc – Licensed Acupuncturist, and, MAc -Master Acupuncturist)
• 34 DO’s (Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine)
• 25 Veterinarians (DMV, VMD, BVMS)
• 17 OD (Doctor of Optometry)
• 15 PA-C (Physician Assistant – Certified); also MPAS and RPA-C

So what now, fight about whether it is healthy, whether it causes cancer, alztheimers, mania, etc....the interesting thing is that you never see anyone arruging over the benefits of fluoride being in the water, why is that? There are no benefits to having fluoride in the water, there's not even proven benefits for the use on your teeth but they do know that it's the cause of brown spots on your teeth.

What you'll see when talking about this is a common response of "Fluoride appears natuarally in underground water" yes that would be calcium fluoride not sodium fluoride.....sodium fluoride is synthetic....Look up ‘synthetic’ and ‘organic’ in any dictionary

The conditions are mutually exclusive of each other.. it is just as impossible for something synthetic to be organic as it is for something organic to be synthetic.

This fact alone is enough to destroy the absurd claim by ‘preventdisease.com’.. it is the equivalent of saying “day is night” or “white is black”.. but let’s finish our trek down the rabbit-hole with “Prevent Disease” – who are claiming, and many readers are believing, that “naturally-occuring decomposed matter” is the same as “un-natural manufactured toxic waste material” – which of course, is completely impossible.

Fluoride is a common ingrediant in.........
rat and cockroach poisons
anesthetics
hypnotics
psychiatric drugs
military nerve gas

Groundbreaking new research has linked sodium fluoride to cardiovascular disease, the leading cause of death worldwide. Researchers found that fluoride consumption directly stimulates the hardening of your arteries, a condition known as atherosclerosis that is highly correlated with the #1 killer. Sodium fluoride is currently added to the water supply of many cities worldwide, despite extreme opposition from health professionals and previous studies linking it to decreased IQ and infertility.

In their research, scientists examined the relationship between fluoride intake and the hardening (calcification) of the arteries. Studying more than 60 patients, the researchers found a significant correlation between fluoride consumption and the calcification of your arteries. Published in the January edition of the journal Nuclear Medicine Communications, the research highlights the fact that mass fluoride exposure may be to blame for the cardiovascular disease epidemic that takes more lives each year than cancer. In 2008, cardiovascular killed 17 million people.

Read more: naturalsociety.com...

Amazingly, this is not the first report to come out on the dangers of water fluoridation, however the United States government along with other nations have allowed for the continued fluoridation of the public water supply despite these key findings. In fact, the U.S. government has even gone on record stating that a reduction in water fluoridation needs to occur following the results of a massive study that found water fluoridation affected cognitive function to the point of lowering the IQ of children. It turns out that the announcement was little more than a public relations stunt to curtail the massive wave of activism that followed the findings.

Read more: naturalsociety.com...

But yet fluoridation has not stopped!

Government Admits Dangers Yet Continues to Pump Fluoride Into Your Water Supply

Over 24 other studies have unanimously concluded that fluoride negatively impacts cognitive function. In addition to these 24 studies focusing on cognition, over 100 animal studies have linked fluoride to an increase in male infertility, diabetes, and a whole host of other health problems. In the latest study on cognition, it was found that that 28% of the children who lived in an area where fluoride levels were low achieved the highest test scores. This means that the children exposed to less fluoride scored normal or advanced, while only 8% of fluoridated children did the same.

Read more: naturalsociety.com...

The safety precautions regarding sodium fluoride are quite telling themselves:

R25 – Toxic if swallowed.
R32 – Contact with acid liberates very toxic gas.
R36/38 – Irritating to skin and eyes.
S1/2 – Keep locked up and out of reach of children.
S22 – Do not breathe dust.
S36 – Wear suitable protective clothing.
S45 - In case of accident or if you feel unwell, seek medical advice immediately (show the label whenever possible.)

naturalsociety.com...

Vitamin B better for your teeth that fluoride....

Since 1962 the government has recommended fluoride levels between 0.7 and 1.2 milligrams per liter in the nations drinking water. Toted as an excellent cavity blocker, fluoride has been praised for its alleged power to prevent tooth decay and boost oral health. Research has now revealed that fluoride, the very substance that is supposed to prevent tooth decay, actually does nothing to prevent against cavities. In fact, vitamin D has been found to be significantly more effective in cavity prevention without the extreme side effects. Instead of damaging your body, vitamin D slashes your risk of just about everything fluoride consumption causes.

According to the latest numbers, over 72 percent of Americans drink water treated with fluoride. Is it any wonder that cardiovascular disease rates are off the charts? Perhaps most concerning is the fact that fluoride does not even prevent cavities, which is the very reason legislators have pushed to keep it in the public water supply despite the links to deadly disease. Even if fluoride was found to prevent cavities, would it be worth the adverse effects?

Is it not obvious that this is not healthy for children and other living things?

Prozac may have 3 Fluoride atoms in it but that doesn't mean it's the same as eating a tube of Sodium Fluoride containing toothpaste, or drinking Fluoridated water. It also doesn't mean it is made OF Fluoride. Just fyi.


I mean if you're going to include that why not include Lexapro, Celexa, Luvox or Paxil? They all have Fluoride in them. So does Halidol, and so do a bunch of other drugs still on the market.

All due respect I didn't read your thread but i felt the need to attest to my experience with fluoride.

I was born with fluorosis from the ample supply of fluoride in the mountain spring water which i drank from. Being an adult now, I have marbled teeth, but miraculously (am not certain if this is attributable to fluoride), I have never once had a broken tooth, or cavities. I do know that the genetics of my dental structure are above average.

With that said, I have specifically steered clear from fluoride for almost 5 years and going now. I believe that the lack of fluoride has increased my mental capacity greatly, and my ability to critically think (focusing on mental output and the relation to fluoride halting neurological stimuli) has increased dramatically.


On a side note I have taken up meditation and yoga with a great passion, but the idea of having clean natural toothpaste in my mouth each night really brings a smile to my being.



I wholeheartedly believe in the fluoride conspiracy that it is extremely detrimental to human bodies.


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I have brought this up on a number of occasions with people in the dental industry, and they appear to be constantly bombarded with how good it is for your "strong teeth & fighting cavities" that i believe it leaves little room for them to think other than that.

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There is a war for your mind, & fluoride has an effect.

Originally posted by ArrowsNV
Prozac may have 3 Fluoride atoms in it but that doesn't mean it's the same as eating a tube of Sodium Fluoride containing toothpaste, or drinking Fluoridated water. It also doesn't mean it is made OF Fluoride. Just fyi.


I mean if you're going to include that why not include Lexapro, Celexa, Luvox or Paxil? They all have Fluoride in them. So does Halidol, and so do a bunch of other drugs still on the market.

Never said it was MADE of Fluoride, it says the primary ingredient in Prozac is fluoride. Please take time to read everything if you wish to comment.

So all these medicines have fluoride, what's your point, you really think I can make a thread big enough to contain every product that has fluoride in it? Does all these medicines having fluoride in them make fluoride ok to consume?


Prozac is 94% fluoride

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But possibly not a coincidence that all the medications you listed are used in the treatment of depression, possibly among other things too but anti-depressant was listed on each of the drug names when googled. From what I was told by a Dutch friend, Prozac is usually the last medication they give, the really strong one for hopeless cases?
ETA Many of the "weird killer psychos" you see on TV (at least one of the Columbine boys was on anti-depressants) are on these kind of medications when you look at the details. Doesn't that strike anyone as just a little bit too much coincidence?

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But possibly not a coincidence that all the medications you listed are used in the treatment of depression, possibly among other things too but anti-depressant was listed on each of the drug names when googled. From what I was told by a Dutch friend, Prozac is usually the last medication they give, the really strong one for hopeless cases?
ETA Many of the "weird killer psychos" you see on TV (at least one of the Columbine boys was on anti-depressants) are on these kind of medications when you look at the details. Doesn't that strike anyone as just a little bit too much coincidence?

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You're right there is a connection "Fluoride is the main ingredient in most psychiatric medications, such as Prozac, and these meds are affiliated with violence and suicide."

The same fluoride added to tap water and toothpaste is used to kill rats, roaches and termites and is used as a pesticide, because it kills bugs on contact. Fluoride is what makes sarin nerve gas poisonous – a chemical weapon that was used in Iraq. Fluoride is more poisonous than lead and just slightly less poisonous than arsenic (1984 issue of Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products). Most fluoride added to tap water contains lead, arsenic and cadmium. If you have white or brown stains on your teeth, this is a sign of fluoride poisoning. Fluoride has been proven since the 1920s to lower IQ at least 10-15 points. Fluoride causes bone cancer, hypothyroidism, osteoporosis and hip fractures. Fluoride causes the body to store aluminum in high quantities, which is associated with Alzheimers. It also induces depression, early puberty and causes many other diseases: www.slweb.org Drinking fluoride does not prevent cavities; it is the number one cause of tooth loss and makes teeth brittle, causing them to break. Fluoride is the main ingredient in most psychiatric medications, such as Prozac, and these meds are affiliated with violence and suicide. Hundreds of EPA scientists are calling for an end to water fluoridation, which is illegal in 98% of Western Europe.

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ILLEGAL IN 98% OF WESTERN EUROPE!!!!!

Originally posted by PageAlaCearl

Originally posted by ArrowsNV
Prozac may have 3 Fluoride atoms in it but that doesn't mean it's the same as eating a tube of Sodium Fluoride containing toothpaste, or drinking Fluoridated water. It also doesn't mean it is made OF Fluoride. Just fyi.


I mean if you're going to include that why not include Lexapro, Celexa, Luvox or Paxil? They all have Fluoride in them. So does Halidol, and so do a bunch of other drugs still on the market.

Never said it was MADE of Fluoride, it says the primary ingredient in Prozac is fluoride. Please take time to read everything if you wish to comment.

So all these medicines have fluoride, what's your point, you really think I can make a thread big enough to contain every product that has fluoride in it? Does all these medicines having fluoride in them make fluoride ok to consume?

Prozac is 94% fluoride

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I wasn't saying I was against you in anyway, I agree that fluoride is bad, all I was saying was you should probably point those out as well. It's as easy as just making a list. I mean if you had time to write a two-post OP then I'm sure it wouldn't take that much longer...

(Kinda off topic, but does anyone else find it strange that the anti-depressants have to include a warning about their ability to increase the risk of suicide, and most anti-epileptics increase risk of death by suicide AND increase the risk of seizures, those are the things they are INTENDED to treat. Modern medicine is a f'kn joke.)

The dumbing down of America...They know it's toxic they label it's toxic but we still drink it....I think it's working...

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Fluoride is in almost all antidepressants, but I get what your saying, I think there's only one on the market Zoloft that doesn't contain fluoride.

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I appolgise for being kinda off topic here... but it relates to the issue in a way...

Has anyone noticed the American/Canadian Dental Association's emblem?

It is interesting to note the symbolism in their emblem...

A triangle (pyramid?)

A snake, whos head happens to curve in the exact place as the eye in the pyramid on the 1 dollar american bill....

Etc...

Etc...

Dr. Russell Blaylock M.D. is a retired neurosurgeon and author whose trailblazing research has tirelessly documented the fact that there is an epidemic of neurological disorders in the western world which are directly connected to toxins in our environment, and how this relates to the larger global eugenics program behind population reduction. In this fascinating interview, Blaylock reveals how depopulation programs forged by the Rockefeller foundation in association with the Nazis were the basis of modern day incarnations of eugenics like fluoride poisoning and vaccinations.

As I read all of this I sat here sipping away at my tap water. I drink a gallon or more of water a day and I'm really worried at the damage being caused by this. It's a damn shame that one of the things in life that we absolutely need to survive and be healthy, is poisoned. I've looked around to try to find something economical that would treat or filter tap water but yet have found anything. I've looked at reverse osmosis but I don't really grasp it. With the price of water that is not treated with flouride, I would go broke. The sad thing here in MS is that we're like the step children of America and people in this state could care less. I only know of a few "wealthier" cities in this state that has banned flouride treatment and my little city isn't one of them.

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Interesting, I don't think I have ever seen the dental association logo, I've seen the medical industry logo and the many snake logos. I actually made a thread a while back on snake logos......missed the Dental one though.....Thanks!

Great Documentary I just watched on it....AMAZING were the responses from the public on why the water is fluoridated and what fluoride is....the dumbing down of people is very apparent in the first part of this video.

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"Here in Toronto we've been fluoridating the water for 36 years. Yet Vancouver - which has never fluoridated - has a cavity rate lower than Toronto" - Dr. Hardy Limeback, B.Sc. Ph.D - 1999

Dr. Hardy Limeback, BSc, PhD, DDS, Canada.

According to eleven thousand scientists including world renowned Professor Paul Connett and Dr Hardy Limeback, adviser to the Canadian Government, the constituents of Sodium Fluoride contains a cocktail of nasties, which are deadly toxic to Infants, Children, Kidney or Thyroid sufferers to name a few, it also contains, arsenic, cadmium, barium and lead.

To Hear Dr. Hardy Limeback explain

Why I am now officially opposed to adding fluoride to drinking water April, 2000 To whom it may concern: Why I am now officially opposed to adding fluoride to drinking water Since April of 1999, I have publicly decried the addition of fluoride, especially hydrofluosilicic acid, to drinking water for the purpose of preventing tooth decay. The following summarize my reasons. New evidence for lack of effectiveness of fluoridation in modern times.

1. Modern studies (published in the 1980's 1990's) show dental decay rates are so low in North America that the effects of water fluoridation cannot be measured. Because of the low prevalence of dental decay, water fluoridation studies today must be carefully conducted to correct for mobility of subjects between fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas, access to fluoride from other sources, the lack of blinding and problems with the `halo' effect. Even when very large sample sizes are used to obtain statistically significant results, the benefit of water fluoridation is not a clinically relevant one (the number of tooth surfaces saved from dental decay per person is less than one half). Recent studies show that halting fluoridation will either result in only a marginal increase in dental decay which cannot be detected or no increase in dental decay at all.

2. The major reasons for the general decline of tooth decay worldwide, both in non-fluoridated and fluoridated areas, is the widespread use of fluoridated toothpaste, improved diets, and overall improved general and dental health (antibiotics, preservatives, hygiene etc).

3. There is now a better understanding of how fluoride prevents dental decay. What little benefit fluoridated water may still provide is derived primarily through topical means (after the teeth erupt and come in contact with fluorides in the oral cavity). Fluoride does not need to be swallowed to be effective. It is not an essential nutrient. Nor should it be considered a desirable `supplement' for children living in non-fluoridated areas. Fluoride ingestion delays tooth eruption and this may account for some of the differences seen in the past between fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas (i.e. dental decay is simply postponed).

No fluoridation study has ever separated out the systemic effects of fluoride. Even if there were a systemic benefit from ingestion of fluoride, it would be miniscule and clinically irrelevant. The notion that systemic fluorides are needed in non-fluoridated areas is an outdated one that should be abandoned altogether.

australianfluorideaction.com...

No benefits what so ever can be found with the use of the fluoride.

They let a 24 year old man with slight mental problems keep weapons and ammo at home due to a gun club membership here. He had tried to commit suicide at least once, been in the institutions, etc. He took a few guns to town, one of which was a semi-automatic rifle type thing. He only killed 6 people which in itself is a wonder because he was in the shopping area of town on a busy Saturday. At the Mall. He then killed himself. This is Holland we are talking about just to be clear. Citizens may not have firearms, only people who are members of a licensed sports shooting facility may use them in said sports facility and due to that, in time (?), are allowed to store them at home. A police inspected area too apparently. They come and check out your locked cabinet, if they can find the time...anyway.

I'm not against guns and no disrespect to this poor young man or his victims but if they let people under those conditions possess serious firepower, well then I'd love the chance to have my own for self defence. Not that it will ever be allowed.

I think the dosage is just too high. Like other "drugs", the higher the dose... bye bye. Fluorine sounds a little less tolerable for the human body than Iodine in any case.

Hmmm...Fluoride as the basic ingredient for antidepressants....Antidepressants are notorious for making people gain extraordinary amounts of weight.

This could be the smoking gun as to why there is an epidemic of obesity in the United States. Yes, I realize there are a great deal of food and lifestyle choices which contribute to the problem, but antidepressants really spike the appetite so that people are always hungry (except for Wellbutrin, which has a speedy effect so it is not widely prescribed). It may be contributing to the binge eating and choices of taste-rewarding junk food.

Fat, happy and stupid. That's one way to get away with financial and social crimes on a large scale.

I think it's pretty clear that their are no health benefits to fluoride but the fact alone is not enough to stop it from happening...

Make a website, find out what water companies fluoridate, states that do, cities that fluoridate the water, spread the truth....

This site is www.nofluoride.com... there are many more but not enough, I'm going to make one and bring it up at the city meeting in the city where I live. Take all this and I'll do the same, making people aware is the only way to stop it. This site is a good reference......

"There are 4 main arguments against water fluoridation:

Any purported benefits of fluoridation are in scientific controversy. Studies from 50 years ago do not pass muster under today's standards for safety or effectiveness. Research from the same era also "proved" cigarettes don't cause cancer.

Even the AMA concedes that no studies were done to determine any side effects caused by fluoridation. [letter]

The fluoride used for water fluoridation does not have FDA approval and is considered by the FDA as an "unapproved drug". The proper use of any drug requires an understanding of how much is too much. Since fluoride is already in many foods and beverages, an estimated total intake of existing fluoride amounts is imperative. Research shows fluoridation is unnecessary since we're already receiving 300% or more of the American Dental Association's recommended daily amount.

Constitutional and Civil liberty issues regarding the forced mass medication of the population when alternative means of reducing cavities are easily available, such as tooth brushing. Even so-called mandatory school immunizations provide exemptions for parents who wish not to participate.

The chemicals used for fluoridation are not high purity, pharmaceutical quality products. Rather they are byproducts of aluminum and fertilizer manufacturing and contain a high concentration of toxins and heavy metals such as arsenic, lead and chromium. All proven to be carcinogens.

The majority of the human body is made from water, ask yourself then....

"WHY DOES WATER NEED ANYTHING ADDED TO IT?"

applause for your putting together this informative thread

I've gotten through half but I want to share my post from the other thread after getting through part of this one

so now all I can think is that people are getting UBER doses if they're not only drinking flouridated water, brushing their teeth with flouridated toothpaste, drinking baby formula (for babies of course), certain juices, cereals, sodas, or using teflon coated cookware......


maybe flouride isn't bad for you in minute doses but it appears to me after reading this, THEY'RE TRYING TO FORCE US TO OVERDOSE ON IT

much to ponder......