Strange Man From Alternate Reality Arrives In Tokyo

Originally posted by FreedomCommander
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

Might want to be careful of that. If someone says, "I have proved Einstein right!" there is another truth. Gravity is an EM force operating at 1 Terahertz. There were experiments done to prove this.

But that is all I can say. The rest I can say, is good luck to that man finding his way home.

Again, I'm afraid you have 2 different things confused:

Electromagnetic and Gravity Waves are NOT the same thing.

All manner of things vibrate at different frequencies, such as sound. Middle "C" on a piano vibrates at 261.626 Hz.
However, that sound wave is not electromagnetic.
Earthquakes have several different waves that we also measure in frequency. But they are not electromagnetic.

Electromagnetic energy can be made to oscillate at certain frequencies (both natural and man made). Your FM radio is a good detector of radio waves (which ARE electromagnetic), and also a good example of how we convert those RF Electromagnetic energy into audio sound waves which is the physical vibration of your speakers (but are also measured using the term "Frequency").

Gravitational Waves while again, would have a frequency you can measure in Hertz, is NOT the same as Electromagnetics. Read the link CAREFULLY. You will see that they even say:

As massive objects move around in spacetime, the curvature changes to reflect the changed locations of those objects. In certain circumstances, objects that are accelerated generate a disturbance in spacetime which spreads, as the metaphor goes, "like ripples on the surface of a pond", although perhaps a better analogy would be electromagnetic waves.

Emphasis is mine. I'm sure you know what an "analogy" is.

So again: Gravity or Gravitation is NOT the same thing as Electromagnetic energy or force.

IF you insist that it is: please provide information proving that this is so.

I question on why I am on here, telling my opinion while others try to shoot it down?

The man is gone, and if we want to argue over whose right and whose wrong, we would be more better off kicking and screaming over "I'm the boss."

It's pointless and I cannot participate in such an argument.

Originally posted by FreedomCommander
I question on why I am on here, telling my opinion while others try to shoot it down?

The man is gone, and if we want to argue over whose right and whose wrong, we would be more better off kicking and screaming over "I'm the boss."

It's pointless and I cannot participate in such an argument.

I'm sorry if I upset you. My argument was not about whether this man truly existed or not,or whether he came from a place that we can't even guess at.
I just hate to see people be confused or misinformed about different scientific aspects.

Did he come from another dimension or universe? I can not prove it true or false to tell you the truth. I find the idea facinating and interesting.

The story itself is before my time (I'm 45), and to tell you the truth, I'd never heard it before until I read it on here at ATS.

So while I might argue a point of science with you on here, I'm not here to run you or anyone else for that mater off.

So again, if I upset you, I do sincerely apologize. If it makes it better, let's just agree to disagree, and move on.

Besides: you have to admit. It'd be no fun if everyone just nodded their heads like Sheeple. It's fun to debate....but not argue in a mean way.

Besides I think I may have had an advantage here: I'm a EM specialist. I used to work on Radars in the Navy, and satellite communications in the civilian world after words. So I know my EM, hehehehe.

reply to post by eriktheawful


ok ok. sorry for the outburst.

Not to attack you or anything, do you know about the Philadelphia experiment done during WWI time? It was a US Navy sanctioned experiment involving EM wave of the UV frequency. This is where I got my information.

If you know anything about this experiment, it would help for you and me.

If you can tell me if you know something about it, I'll tell you the whole story.

And to add to the note, what is the frequency of the radar band and the infrared band?

From now on I'll view this as a friendly debate.

I'm so tired of all this.

It's time to step it up.

Originally posted by FreedomCommander
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

ok ok. sorry for the outburst.

Not to attack you or anything, do you know about the Philadelphia experiment done during WWI time? It was a US Navy sanctioned experiment involving EM wave of the UV frequency. This is where I got my information.

If you know anything about this experiment, it would help for you and me.

If you can tell me if you know something about it, I'll tell you the whole story.

And to add to the note, what is the frequency of the radar band and the infrared band?

From now on I'll view this as a friendly debate.

edit on 25-4-2012 by FreedomCommander because: incomplete

The Philadelphia experiment was suppose to have been done during WW2 (I saw a WWI up there), with the USS Eldridge, a small destroyer escort. 1943 I believe.

The only thing I know about it is what I have read like many others, that the US Navy officially denies any such experiment was carried out.

I remember reading a book when I was only 14 (way back in 1980) called "Thin Air" by George E. Simpson and Neal R. Burger, published 1977. The book is fiction but based upon the Philadelphia Experiment. It was the first time I'd ever heard of it at all. I really enjoyed the book back then.

Do I personally know anything more about it? No, afraid us lowly enlisted types are not privy to information like that, if it exists.

Do I believe it happened or not? I do know that it was WW2, and not only the US but countries on both sides of the war were doing all sorts of experiments to make better weapons and defense. And some of the ideas were REALLY out of this world! And those are actual documented ones! Heh.
So yes actually, I do think it's possible experiments may have been conducted. Were they successful? Again, that was well before my time, but I never heard anything about it officially.

Do I think it's possible that the US military conducted secret experiments that they may have denied later? While many things have been disclosed over time, I do think it's still possible.

Radar Frequencies: These are many a varied and depend upon the type of radar you are talking about. The AN/SPS-48(V)C 3D air search radar was one of them that I worked on, and operates in the "C" band, or 2.9 to 3.1 Ghz. Doppler radars tend to work at much higher band widths, like the "X" band, up around 20 Ghz. As a general rule, all radars work in the Microwave range which is 300 Mhz to 300 Ghz.

The infrared is way up there as it's just below the visible light spectrum. It's band width is classified as 300 Ghz to 405 Thz, so you can see it's a very broad band width, as compared to visible light which is 405 Thz to 790 Thz.

reply to post by eriktheawful


ok you got it down so far. I was in a rush so I mistaken the WWII with a WWI.

And as I see it, you weren't let on the history of the Navy's personal projects. What the Philadelphia Experiment's purpose was to make a ship of any shape or size disappear or make it invisible. This was taken place at the Philadelphia Navel Yard.

The project was a success and a success beyond their expectations. Not only did it disappear, it disappeared. The ship was gone, like it was no longer there. Much to the scientists surprise, the ship appeared hundreds of miles away from it's original position with some of the crew members missing. They disappeared and were never seen from again. But as for the others, some of them had missing limbs or what looked like missing limbs (Turns out they were invisible) and ultimately they went mad. One group allegedly confessed that they raided a tavern while invisible.

However, this wasn't the first time it was done. A few years prior to the Philadelphia Experiment, the scientists knew how to make anything invisible with the use of two or more UV generators. In order to maintain the duration of the invisibility, they had to employ other frequencies of UV range.

However, something else happened. When they employed the various UV frequencies, it rendered the ship to a dematieralized state, a state where they are invisible and intangible. This in turn cause the ship to be without inertia.

They didn't expect this. This posed as another problem due to the fact that various crew members were thinking of a port they wanted to be and next thing they knew they were there. If you ever find a book called "The Philadelphia Experiment" by William M. Moore and Charles Berlitz, you'll find that it was made before Einsteins Unified Field Theory even came into existence to anyone including Einstein himself.

Thank you for knowing the frequencies of those two categories (I just wanted the Radar band overall).

Now, I know this is kind of a long debate here, but gravity is located between the lower portion of the infrared and radar band. It operates at 1 terahertz or more precisely corresponding to wave lengths of .3 and 4.3 mm. This is why people and devices of certain sorts are able to levitate or fly without anything else. This is why people that traveled to the center of the Earth experience a increase in strength and stamina, because they are not using as much muscle as they use to on the surface. Gravity can only penetrate 50 miles below the surface, after that it begins to weaken.

With me just saying this is enough to shatter the status quo of the orthodox science community itself. But they are willing to deny it before anything else.

This goes for black holes and other orthodox science spawn idea that came to the surface. This is my take, what's yours?

reply to post by FreedomCommander


Well my first take is that most of what we are talking about (you and I) is off topic and belongs on it's own thread, before the forum mods come and spank us both for hijacking the OP's thread.



So if the subjects that we are talking about, how would you apply it to this situation? (IE a strange man who is theorized to have come from either another dimension or universe). Since the Philly experiment is suppose to be about making something invisible (by bending light around it) and teleportation (but within our dimension and universe).

So what are your thoughts here? Are you saying that you think there is a connection? And if so, could you show your line of thinking for that.

reply to post by eriktheawful


Yeah I'm saying that happened. An event that teleported him from point A to point B with use of certain frequencies. The Philadelphia experiment was shut down because of teleportation. I only believe in one 3D dimension and other things such as multiple planes.

reply to post by eriktheawful


Actually, your conversation seems on-topic to me, just a tangent. What you are discussing does tie into the possibilities of the man appearing and disappearing. By showing what may be possible, it gives at least a small chance that the story could be true. There is little, or no evidence that the incident with the man ever occured, but it's still interesting to speculate on the possibilities.

Okay, let's do a leap of faith here (actually, it's more like a pole vault, hehehehehe), and assume teleportation worked.

The way the story goes, this man had a passport from a country that does not exist for us. Unless you are suggesting that it may have been a case of teleportation gone wrong, transfering this guy from his reality to ours.

But then why would he be at an airport? Unless of course in his reality, teleportation was discovered, and replaced air travel, where airports were converted (but you still have to go through customs).

That would fit, except of course we are making some very giant leaps of faith here:

1) That the story was true and really did happen.
2) That teleportation exists (at least in his reality).
3) That he came from another reality and it's possible to travel between them.

I mean the whole thing is interesting, and can be fun to postulate about, even if the whole story is a hoax. But the problem is other than just having fun spinning ideas here, we can't even put forth a actual theory because it's all hearsay, without any direct observations, and even theories are based observations that happened.

What we need is, some how digging to find out if this is just a urban myth, or if there really is records somewhere helping prop this story up (even if only half of it).

In the mean time however, it is fun to think about how you would teleport a person from point A to B. I have read a bit on that, and the ideas for it have some really huge problems (things like breaking down a person to their atomic components would take fusion temperatures....OW!......the "mapping" of said structure takes too much information, I think I read somewhere that amount of information stored on like CD ROMS would make a stack of disks stretching from here to the center of our galaxy....that's a LOT of info!).

reply to post by eriktheawful


There have been records of items such as a coke bottle being found in a tomb in Northern India that was sealed 10000 years ago.

It's just one thing after another that is what is called an OPA (Out of Place Artifact) when in reality it was either made or taken.

But the question pops up what is the fastest thing known. I can name the top 3.
3. Light
2. Gravity
1. Thought

But it's not about information, its the person's thought that is the problem. My theory is that the man was in a bad mood, when at the same time, whoever was in charge of the equipment at that "Teleporting pad" was repairing and thought that he/she can bypass the testing. As a result, he got sent here, into another airport not of this universe, and my guess he wasn't even on a plane, just came out of a terminal.

Can you imagine a man all of a sudden appearing on a plane and everyone freaking out when they see a man that came out of nowhere is sitting right next to whoever that thought the seat was empty and everyone loves to stay in one place?

So another theory, pad is repaired and is now reclaiming all of those that got lost. We didn't even get the chance to ask him what year it was, darn.

This is why I joined ATS. The story seems believeable. And that dark stories link is something ill have to look up. Im wondering now if there is another universe out there. We may never know....

My problem is this,

If entire countries are different in other dimensions, why would the airports be built in the exact same place?

If names and languages are different, why would the buildings not be?

reply to post by jonnywhite


omegacorps neat that you bring up Piper in this case. He really liked the idea of layers of reality. This kind of situation shows up again in his short novel Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen. en.wikipedia.org...

I am not sure I believe the story but it's a great read.

I could imagine going to get my first (which would be even more horrifying) Passport, boarding a plane leaving Tampa, Florida, to a country like IDK say Iraq or China two of the worse places not to have a 'valid' passport right now, and arriving only for them to incarcerate you for being from a "made up" city and from an unknown state in the USA. (Imagine either that the jughandle of Florida does not exist or that it became known as Deleon or some such for the founder) You trying to explain to the authorities that you aren't a spy or anything especially with a brand new, never stamped passport, and them not beleiving you. Only to disappear from your cell and wake up in a hotel room at your destination. That would be some scary s***!

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
My problem is this,

If entire countries are different in other dimensions, why would the airports be built in the exact same place?

If names and languages are different, why would the buildings not be?

Lets say you have two dimensions. You move form one to the other and guess what, you live the rest of you life in the other dimension and never know it. You know why you never know it? Because the difference between the two is so small you never see it. It could be something as simple as a rock that is a thousand miles from your house is 6 inches to one side in one dimension than it is in the other one.
If the difference between the dimensions is small or far removed from you, you could slip from dimension to dimension a hundred times in your life and never even know anything about it. So to answer your question just because one thing changes does not mean so meting else has to. I often wonder how many people have had this happen to them and never know it. It may be a nominal thing that happens to all of us at at once in our life's and we just do not know that it happened.

that was a cool show, what was it called, sliders ?

Real or not, I find this story to be incredibly interesting and want to know more. What an unusual claim...
The idea of it being a hoax seems odd if only for the lack of apparent motive. If it's a made up story then it's well done. If it is in fact real then it leaves open some interesting and unanswerable questions.
I'm not averse to the idea of tears in the fabric of space and time that allow for things (or people) to "cross over", even temporarily. OBviously it all conjecture and theory, but still... what an interesting story and idea!
S&F for bringing it to my (and our) attention!