Google Founder: Web freedom under threat

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In an interview with the Guardian, Brin warned there were "very powerful forces that have lined up against the open internet on all sides and around the world". "I am more worried than I have been in the past," he said. "It's scary."

I didn't know what forum please move if necessary.

Maybe NWO.

The threat to the freedom of the internet comes, he claims, from a combination of governments increasingly trying to control access and communication by their citizens, the entertainment industry's attempts to crack down on piracy, and the rise of "restrictive" walled gardens such as Facebook and Apple, which tightly control what software can be released on their platforms.

He is so right. It's just a matter of time before they have total control.

In China, which now has more internet users than any other country, the government recently introduced new "real identity" rules in a bid to tame the boisterous microblogging scene. In Russia, there are powerful calls to rein in a blogosphere blamed for fomenting a wave of anti-Vladimir Putin protests. It has been reported that Iran is planning to introduce a sealed "national internet" from this summer.

So when is the U.S. going to take control for our own good?

Too many of those scary conspiracy websites out there. We sure don't need those people getting together and talking.

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If all the large websites and active users of the internet can fight off the censorship and restrictions for a couple of more years I think we'd get in the clear on this. GOOGLE should really join in a big way. CISPA, the new SOPA-type law that's being talked about, hopefully will cause sites to band together again, to stop that as much as "we" did the first SOPA attempt. Wikipedia should lead the way on that one too.

Ya know... it may be ignorant of me, or foolish(probably better choice of words)... but... I don't think that the US government will ever be able to control the internet in similar fashions of other governments such as China.

I'm not saying that there wont be forces trying to prove me wrong, or that there isn't currently a strong initiative to do so. I'm saying, that through out the history of the US, starting from 1787+ and so on, there have always been important people, with real influence that have always stepped up to the plate in the defense of liberty.

Those who truly fear this becoming a reality(should be just about everyone), have the responsibility of preventing this very thing from happening.

Look.. I know, I know... we have the PATRIOT Act, and other seemingly invasive laws that imply a disregard for the freedoms that America is founded on. At first glance, it seems like all hope is lost, as far as winning on the front of protecting the people... but, then you realize that such laws are designed to be removed. As to the constitutionality of them even being there in the first place. No doubt... they should not be there. But don't think for one second that they will always be.

Nothing lasts for ever, except for the pursuit happiness through acquiring freedom. As the sun moves west, as does progression, and the move towards the wants of the people. Now it's circling back around... The Arab spring was the east catching up to the west... and OWS was the west addressing what was still to be fixed.

It's not that I don't agree with Brin--as far as he goes. But right now Google itself probably holds more data than the new NSA facility. And they've already proven they'll drop their pants and lube-up. If he's so worried about Web freedoms, why doesn't he make sure that everyone's data is routinely expunged instead of mined, cross-referenced, collated, and sold? And sitting there waiting to be collected by whatever government spook agency asks for it?

Height of hypocrisy, if you ask me. Which none of these evil bastards ever do....

Look at this. I had no more than posted my opinion and gone back to the firehose, and there I find this in the General Conspiracies forum:

The Google Takeover

Seriously. If they want Web freedom, g---dammit, be the first! Lead by example! Hypocrisy of the worst kind....

I see we posted on a similar topic close together, not copying you at all, simply serendipity

well if it isnt coming from GOOGLE, people are just gonna say its fearmongering.

actually all the govt has to do is provide internet providers (Verizon, Comcast, TWC, etc) with an Order to block various websites - it could be a list of hundreds or thousands - and then we won't have access to those.

or they can just order a shutdown for security/terrorism reasons - its really just a matter of time they "drill" and actually do it too

I knew our internet freedoms were under attack, but the fact that a corporation like Google is getting on the bandwagon means it really must be serious. We better watch out here.

They don't want people to communicate with one another
They don't want information to travel as quick as it does
They don't want to be exposed as what they really are

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
Look at this. I had no more than posted my opinion and gone back to the firehose, and there I find this in the General Conspiracies forum:

The Google Takeover

Seriously. If they want Web freedom, g---dammit, be the first! Lead by example! Hypocrisy of the worst kind....

I did the same thing. I was like wth is going on here. To think we can't trust a huge company!

Talk about telling the people what they want to hear.

You know who's more powerful than Facebook and internet hating lawmakers? Google.

As long as Google is worried about keeping the internet as is, we are in an OK position.

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Google is scary powerful on their own, so for them to get nervous just scares the crap out of me. Glade they are with the people on this so far, Google probably knows more about the details of your life than the Gov.

Google has experience in this, I hope they handle as well as they have in the past.

I'm sure the only reason google cares about the web staying open is because it makes it far easier for them to operate and data mine. If its all ring fenced then google might be left out in the cold, thats why they've been trying so hard to build a new social system like facebook, you know that google+ thingy. If they ever manage the web domination that they are after i'm sure they would be the first people to start closing down the web, they just want to make sure they own the new web first.

Much as I tend to agree with the point of view put forward, the following isnt exactly clear...

In China, which now has more internet users than any other country, the government recently introduced new "real identity" rules in a bid to tame the boisterous microblogging scene.

What that is referring to is a new rule saying people must use their real name on ONE social media website, Weibo (which is a Chinese equivalent of twitter).

This is the same as Facebook's demand that people use their real name.

Now whether this is enforced, and how strongly is another matter, but its the same example.

(Actually its is less than Facebook's demand, because Facebook's rule is worldwide, but Weibo's rule only applies to people posting from within China.)

So it's Google against the rest of the world huh? Now THAT'S a fight worth watching. Put it on pay-per-view and I'm there.

In a way I'm glad this is coming to light. This is my take on it. Governments are trying to reign in the internet because it has more power then they do. Google in particular. What people need to realize is that Google data mines for business purposes only. Governments are taking this personally. They want the power Google has because governments have control issues and Google has business issues. I hope people can see this now.

You think Google has power now? If we stand alongside them with the technical expertise we have along with theirs, there's nothing any government can do to stop us. Remember, computers in general and Google in particular are only as powerful and technical as the people who make it so. People in Government positions are there because that's their area of expertise. The founders of things like Google, Facebook and other types of social media that governments are trying to censor are where they're at because that's THEIR area of expertise. We have the leg up on our competition, Governments, and we need to make sure it stays that way.

The best way to do that is to remember, again, that Google does what it does for business purposes. They're not trying to snoop into your lives to take away your personal freedoms. That's the Governments' "job" and that fact should be glaringly obvious with this news story. What more proof do you need?

One more thing to prove my point. Back in the '50's when the only people who had computers were militaries and governments, Us and Russia mainly, they were the ones with the expertise. They were the ones with the power. They made the computers and the systems that ran them so it just went to figure. That's not the case anymore. Somewhere along the way they let the cat out of bag. What was once a powerful dog became a monster because other people got involved with the technology that was once reserved for a select few. From what I've gathered through reputable second hand news, my father was one of those select few via the Air Force. But even back then it was mainly satellite communications, the internet didn't really take hold until the 80's. But when it did, it wasn't the military that did it. It was private individuals and the military didn't even see it coming. If they did it probably appeared as some sort of mirage to them that they neither took seriously nor understood the size and scope of. That shortsightedness, something specific that happened in 1964 really, was what let the cat out of the bag so to speak and now it's to the point where they won't be able to stop it.

For reference: www.bizymoms.com...

They want to, that's for sure and obvious now, but wanting something and getting it are two different things.

Again, the collective minds of private individuals such as us and the people who invented and perfected the very programs that Governments are now trying to stop, are greater than the collective minds of the people trying to stop us. It should be self-evident at this point that you can't stop something you didn't make. It's like trying to stop a runaway train. TPTB don't like what they see coming down the tracks at them, but they didn't make the train and they certainly make the capabilities that the train has.

We did. They may have made the blueprints back in the '40's and 50's, but WE put the nuts and bolts on later in the game

And to put it bluntly, TPTB are going to get run the f*** over if they try to stop this train as long as we the people remain behind the controls.

For entertainment: youtu.be...

This is bogus. They're in cahoots with the NWO powers. Just like with Facebook being set up so they can spy on people. Google works with THEM. This guy is just trying to seem like 'one of the people' This is bs.

im not so sure google is gonna help the free net,im pretty sure they have been hiding things and are inbed together
.www.americanthinker.com... ,well if they do lock it down which looks to me like they have already started, im refering to mega upload here ,which to all intent all the dude did was start a website where you can upload files a bit like youtube really ,so extraditing someone for owning a website is takeover im sure he didnt upload all those films so he gets done because a million chinese or russian or american citazens think yeah lets upload and share,,is it because the powers that be dont wont us sharing if there is no money transaction... TOR is a nontracking search engine use this when the # hits the fan and it will its already in progress , also if we can no longer have freedom here whats the point of having it,,,,evil plan forming hahahahah

p.s about the evil plan ,not that im suggesting extreme action ,,,but emp take out non screened pc and servers ,,what you choose to do with this info is your choice oh and a magnatron from a microwave might help build such a device,,any one got any info or easy schematic for mobile emp device

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And who didn't see this coming?

Posters keep shouting out the warning, the internet is one of the most powerful tools for good or evil ever know to mankind.

Originally posted by de Thor
You know who's more powerful than Facebook and internet hating lawmakers? Google.

As long as Google is worried about keeping the internet as is, we are in an OK position.

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HA!
You can be a useful idiot no matter how much money you have.