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You say you make no supernatural claims, yet you are proposing that mind exists as an independent and immaterial, therefore supernatural, reality.
What if (immaterial mind, existing independent of matter) is just "natural"???
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by TheBandit795
What if (immaterial mind, existing independent of matter) is just "natural"???
Despite my earlier announcement of withdrawal, this demands an answer.
When we say something is supernatural, we mean that there is no naturally detectable chain of cause and effect by which we can detect its operations – no material chain of causation between thought and deed.
If immaterial mind does exist, it must be a part of nature, and we should be able to detect its actions objectively. Until someone does so, we are forced to regard immaterial mind as a supernatural concept.
By that definition all of Quantum Mechanics is "supernatural, there is no real cause and effect... Gee I guess natural is now the paranormal while supernatural is the normal.
Math is a concept like the mind so if one can exist without real proof, then there is the possibility that other concepts can exist without proof.
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by Wolfie0827
By that definition all of Quantum Mechanics is "supernatural, there is no real cause and effect... Gee I guess natural is now the paranormal while supernatural is the normal.
Quantum mechanics does not abolish causality, whatever you may have read in new age books and articles.
I'm a scientist, not a new ager. My information comes from science, just not the hide bound, close-minded types you listen too.
Originally posted by Wolfie0827
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Just before publication, I spoke to Sheldrake about the ideas in the book and his motives for writing it. First, the title, which appears to be a direct swipe at Richard Dawkins. Did Dawkins really inspire this response?
“No,” admits Sheldrake, “the title was at the insistence of my publishers, and the book will be re-titled in the USA as Science Set Free.
Published on Apr 18, 2012 by RupertSheldrakeTV
Rupert Sheldrake loves hearing about people and their experiences. It's the basis of his research. Watch this video to see which paranormal and supernatural experiences Rupert Sheldrake is searching for.
Originally posted by Wolfie0827
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Sheldrake questions many of science’s basic ‘truths’, which are revealed, with splendid irony, to be either assumptions or, heaven forbid, beliefs. That the Universe began with a Big Bang has been orthodoxy since the 1960s, but it is actually a theory, and one that raises as many questions as it provides answers. Sheldrake does not dispute the theory but compares it to religious creation myths, all of which begin with an initial act of creation by God; the Big Bang theory is different only in that God has been removed from the story. One of the basic tenets of physics is the law of conservation of matter and energy, which asserts that neither can be created or destroyed: the amount of matter and energy in the Universe is always the same. Except of course, in the primal singularity of the Big Bang, when the Universe appeared from nothing, violating all of science’s laws. Sheldrake quotes Terence McKenna: “It’s almost as if science said, ‘Give me one free miracle, and from there the entire thing will proceed with a seamless, causal explanation.’”
Sheldrake, Rupert (2009-09-09). Morphic Resonance: The Nature of Formative Causation . Inner Traditions Bear & Company. Kindle Edition.
A new way of doing science
Since the 1990s, much of my own experimental research has been concerned with the role that morphic fields play in social behavior in animals and people. My studies on unexplained aspects of animal and human behavior are summarized in my books Seven Experiments That Could Change the World (1994), Dogs That Know When Their Owners Are Coming Home (1999), and The Sense of Being Stared At (2003). These investigations were concerned primarily with the spatial aspects of morphic fields, rather than with morphic resonance, which gives these fields their temporal or historical aspect.
This research is radical in two senses: it proposes not only a new kind of scientific thinking, but also a new way of doing science. This is the main theme of Seven Experiments That Could Change the World. Many of the experiments to test for morphic fields are simple and inexpensive. They show that science need no longer be the monopoly of a scientific priesthood. Research at the frontiers of science is open to participation by students and by nonprofessionals.
Originally posted by mkkkay
please watch this video and tell me if this is considered morphic resonance...
5.3 Morphic resonance
The idea of a process whereby the forms of previous systems influence the morphogenesis of subsequent similar systems is difficult to express in terms of existing concepts. The only way to proceed is by means of analogy.
The physical analogy that seems most appropriate is that of resonance. Energetic resonance occurs when an alternating force acting on a system coincides with its natural frequency of vibration. Examples include the “sympathetic” vibration of stretched strings in response to appropriate sound waves; the tuning of radio sets to the frequency of radio waves given out by transmitters; the absorption of light waves of particular frequencies by atoms and molecules, resulting in their characteristic absorption spectra; and the response of electrons and atomic nuclei in the presence of magnetic fields to electromagnetic radiation in Electronic Spin Resonance and Nuclear Magnetic Resonance. Common to all these types of resonance is the principle of selectivity: out of a mixture of vibrations, however complicated, the systems respond only to particular frequencies.
A resonant effect of form upon form across space and time would resemble energetic resonance in its selectivity, but it could not be accounted for in terms of any of the known types of resonance, nor would it involve a transmission of energy. In order to distinguish it from energetic resonance, this process will be called morphic resonance.
Morphic resonance is analogous to energetic resonance in a further respect: it takes place between vibrating systems. Atoms, molecules, crystals, organelles, cells, tissues, organs, and organisms are all made up of parts in ceaseless oscillation, and all have their own characteristic patterns of vibration and internal rhythm; the morphic units are dynamic, not static.3 But whereas energetic resonance depends only on the specificity of response to particular frequencies, to “one-dimensional” stimuli,4 . . .
Sheldrake, Rupert (2009-09-09). Morphic Resonance: The Nature of Formative Causation (pp. 84-85). Inner Traditions Bear & Company. Kindle Edition.
4 The vibration of a system brought about by a “one-dimensional” energetic stimulus can in fact give rise to definite forms and patterns: simple examples are the Chladni figures produced by sand or other small particles on a vibrating diaphragm. Illustrations of numerous two-and three-dimensional patterns on vibrating surfaces can be found in H. Jenny, Cymatics (Basel, Switzerland: Basileus Press, 1967), and A. Lauterwasser, Water Sound Images (Newmarket, N.H.: Macromedia Publishing, 2006). However, this effect is not comparable to the type of morphogenesis brought about through morphic resonance.