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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I still thought the hearing was very telling
You are taking sides as well, I am trying to be objective and feel the truth is illusive,
Do you agree it is interesting that he only produces internet copies that are not admissible as proof by either side?
This is not meant to suggest that there is any other such occasion when such proof is required, but to the extent that this matter relates to the nominating petitions for the Presidential primary, there is no such requirement. In that case, once a petition is filed endorsing a person and that person has not filed his declination of such indorsement, a party believing that the indorsed individual is not qualified can file a challenge on the grounds of ineligibility. In this matter, as the petitioners’ objection is that Mr. Obama has not provided the Secretary with proof of the place of his birth by means of a birth certificate or otherwise, the lack of any obligation on his part to do so means he has not failed to act in accordance with the applicable law.
Originally posted by spoor
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
That's what I kept saying and everyone kept calling me a liar, how is that fair?
You said, and I quote: "So is this why he only produces internet copies"
That is a lie, he showed a paper copy in 2008.
Originally posted by Deetermined
"Hold up for a moment.
What? Is the judge implying that in the state of New Jersey, that when the DNC is the one endorsing a particular person for the Presidency that the person they are endorsing doesn't need to provide qualifications? "
Here again are the Actual Rules to get on the Democratic Primary ballot:
Participation in New Jersey's delegate selection process is open to all voters registered as Democrats. A detail: "Independent" voters are ineligible to vote in the Democratic Primary, however, "Unaffiliated" voters are eligible to participate with the understanding that their party affiliation will automatically change to Democrat upon casting their vote.
to get him off the ballot in this case they needed to prove he is NOT A REGISTERED VOTER or He's not a member of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
The lawyers wasted their client’s money... because they presented no evidence that would make him ineligible. This is not a technicality it's a total failure to present the correct evidence.
edit on 14-4-2012 by AliceBlackman because: added last sentence
Originally posted by AquaImage13
and a FORIEGN man is in the White House
IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER BY ANY MEANS NECCASARY!
Originally posted by Deetermined
Is there even a transcript of the hearing available yet on the internet?
I've already posted the judge's conclusions. Obviously, they were based on the fact that New Jersey law doesn't require a candidate to provide qualifications to the Secretary of State during a Presidential primary when someone other than the candidate himself has submitted the petition for candidacy.
However, the judge did have this to say:
This is not meant to suggest that there is any other such occasion when such proof is required, but to the extent that this matter relates to the nominating petitions for the Presidential primary, there is no such requirement. In that case, once a petition is filed endorsing a person and that person has not filed his declination of such indorsement, a party believing that the indorsed individual is not qualified can file a challenge on the grounds of ineligibility. In this matter, as the petitioners’ objection is that Mr. Obama has not provided the Secretary with proof of the place of his birth by means of a birth certificate or otherwise, the lack of any obligation on his part to do so means he has not failed to act in accordance with the applicable law.
So, in other words, the judge says that a party can challenge his eligibility, but apparently, the decision was totally based on the fact that the petitioners were only filing their case based on the fact that Obama's qualifications weren't filed with the Secretary of State, which apparently is NOT required in the state of New Jersey.edit on 14-4-2012 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by Stormdancer777
Did you ever bother to watch the video? Hmmm...?
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by Human_Alien
By your standard EVERY president has potentially be an illegal alien.
Your standard being, "no proof, but political propaganda".
When your as gullible as you are, the world is a hard place.
Originally posted by Xieon
I think she said that line more of a "yea its fake, so what?"
However, I believe it is rather scary that someone has forged the Presidents birth certificate
and he didn't even know about it! He said it was his own, and believed it. That is astonishing.
Makes him look like an idiot, but doesn't "prove" he is not an American. Someone could be playing a trick on him, and faked his birth certificate, however, his real certificate could still be American.
Is there even a transcript of the hearing available yet on the internet?
Originally posted by Human_Alien What the.............? Has this country gone friggin bonkers? It's admitted as being forged but it shouldn't make a difference? I am not political at all. Both sides SUCK. I dislike Obama has much as I did/do Bush. But I mean.....is anyone paying attention? Does no one care to challenge this? Or is this all tea-party fanfare bs? My head is spinning!!She's his lawyer? She looks like she could be the baby sitter! How old is she? Nineteen?
A recent ballot challenge hearing in New Jersey exposes a desperate strategy by Obama to distance himself from his forged certificate and induce the contrived value of his transient political popularity as the only “legitimate qualification” needed to hold the office of the presidenwww.teapartytribune.com...
Taking an audacious and shocking angle against the constitutional eligibility mandate, Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status. Therefore, she argued, it is “irrelevant to his placement on the ballot”. Hill went on to contort reasoning by implying that Obama needs only invoke his political popularity, not legal qualifications, in order to be a candidate.
Originally posted by Deetermined Is there even a transcript of the hearing available yet on the internet? I've already posted the judge's conclusions. Obviously, they were based on the fact that New Jersey law doesn't require a candidate to provide qualifications to the Secretary of State during a Presidential primary when someone other than the candidate himself has submitted the petition for candidacy. However, the judge did have this to say:So, in other words, the judge says that a party can challenge his eligibility, but apparently, the decision was totally based on the fact that the petitioners were only filing their case based on the fact that Obama's qualifications weren't filed with the Secretary of State, which apparently is NOT required in the state of New Jersey.
This is not meant to suggest that there is any other such occasion when such proof is required, but to the extent that this matter relates to the nominating petitions for the Presidential primary, there is no such requirement. In that case, once a petition is filed endorsing a person and that person has not filed his declination of such indorsement, a party believing that the indorsed individual is not qualified can file a challenge on the grounds of ineligibility. In this matter, as the petitioners’ objection is that Mr. Obama has not provided the Secretary with proof of the place of his birth by means of a birth certificate or otherwise, the lack of any obligation on his part to do so means he has not failed to act in accordance with the applicable law.edit on 14-4-2012 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)