Killer argument? Norwegian terrorist Breivik to claim "self-defense" at trial

Killer argument? Norwegian terrorist Breivik to claim "self-defense" at trial

rt.com

ven his lawyers say the plea has no chance – but Anders Behring Breivik is still determined to somehow prove that killing 77 people, most of them teenagers, was an act of self-defense.

The 33-year-old extremist has confessed to planting a bomb near government buildings in Oslo, then driving to the island of Utoya, where he systematically shot 69 people.

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I've got be honest i didn't pay a whole lot of attention to this case and what happened after the horrible killings.

I just saw the media-frenzy surrounding this case back then.
But this caught my eye.

The guy really is a nutter.
He was evaluated and it is said that he was perfectly aware of his actions at all times.

i mean, in self-defense?
are you freaking kidding me?

rt.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Killers and their 'self-defense' pleas... the local 7-11 must have sold out of Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea that morning.

I think these murders were barbaric, however I find them no more or less barbaric than an AMerican President authorising the incineration of tens of thousands of Japanese civilians with nuclear weapons

Well come on guys it had to have been self defense those 77 people were trying to build a weapon capable of taking him out. So he had to preemptively go to war on those terrorists before they developed their laser phazer gun and shot him with it. Just think what those terrorist would have done to the world had he believed their peaceful purpose pleas

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Hello kn0wh0w... interesting follow up on the Norway tragedy..

I have a thought on this for this admitted killer....

Since NORWAY does NOT have the death penalty... and this killer ALREADY knows he will be locked up for life;
he will be using the news media, and the courtroom to once again spout his twisted beliefs. His SWAN SONG from the world before he disappears inside a prison for the rest of his days.

The question is.. WILL the news media give this twisted S**T a platform to spew his almost xenophobic reasoning.

I can see where there is a "problem" with such a HUGE influx into the EU by Islamic immigrants, and it is not a simple one.

I am trying to look at a bigger picture in world events... These "events" seem to be engineered. The MASS INFLUX of immigrants to Europe and the UK, especially when the economy is such a mess does NOT make sense. NOR does mass influx, without allowing for assimilation into the culture..

It is a forced co mingling of cultures and peoples by government edict and immigration policy to instigate social changes the leaders of these nations feel is needed to achieve some "goal" they all have.

Its been a while but I do remember a UK MP sorta getting busted on BBC TV saying the big influx to the UK with mostly Islamic folks was to "instigate social changes"... odd response..

I "wonder" what for? Is it to somehow hope for a total co-mingling of cultures? So that they will meld and eventually evolve into a one world religion? Or belief system?

We are leaving the age of Pisces, the FISH... before that was ARIES the RAM... now we enter AQUARIUS the water bearer.. the outpouring of waters to MIX COMPLETELY??? just a thought..

Pisces, Christianity... Aries..ram.. hebrews and blowing of the rams horn stuff.. every age of the heavens seems to have brought on another belief system to the forefront.. with a period of time as the old age dies and the new one settles in.. there has been conflict, and etc.. WHY would it be any different in this modern day as well?

So I see where this terrible killer has a point in his belief system but boy did he go about it all wrong to bring a change...

In many ways, yes, the "old world" is threatened by changes of todays leaders actions.. he is one lone nutter, filled with hate, and prejudice... and is fighting against something that can not be stopped. Most certainly in the manner he wished to stop it all. sigh..

I dont think we realize just how much is afoot behind closed doors, things been in place or building to this for some time, many years.. some say it could go back a couple centuries...

I think it has something to do with creating the perfect storm when the global collapse comes.. huge populations of mixed cultures. completely different belief systems... and I think it is coming not too far off.. this being signaled by the mass exodus of the rat banksters bailing ship all around the globe.

And in the aftermath... what is left will be a diluted mix of a few souls per capita to move on... thus a new belief system will take hold and flourish..

This NOrwegian killer faces life in prison.. was he "used" for a purpose by some sinister people to do what he did? As a diversion? Seems HIS trial and maybe Zimmerman will come to the courts around the same time...

I know, it sounds balmy...lol...

but NOTHING in politics just happens.... and the generations of souls alive on Earth now are going through the greatest social changes being engineered and seem quite oblivious to it at the same time..

Pravdaseeker

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A New Labour flunkie admitted that their immigration policy was deliberately pursued to change the nature/make up of the UK (look up Peter Hitchens online material)

Quite astonishing what has been perpetrated.

Some fascinating tidbits are emerging from the trial. For example, the response of Norway's "elite" commandos sounds more like an episode of the 'Three Stooges:'

www.bbc.co.uk...
Delta Force, Norway's elite anti-terrorism commandos, were ordered to the scene. But no helicopter capable of transporting them was available. Instead, Delta had to drive the 40km (25 mile) journey, through winding mountain roads and Friday rush-hour traffic. It took them 40 minutes. Throughout that time, the young people on the island were defenceless. There was more delay when they arrived on the shore opposite Utoeya, believing that they faced more than one gunman. Delta filled the only police boat available with officers. The boat was overloaded, took on water and eventually stopped. Delta had to be rescued by a local boatman. Once they reached the island, Breivik surrendered.


And this:

www.bbc.co.uk...
When Breivik began shooting, the best hope of escape for the young people on the island was the ferry to the mainland. It was an old military landing craft, which could carry up to 60 people and was armoured against bullets. Yet in the first few minutes of the attacks, the leader of the Labour Party's youth wing, Eskil Pedersen, fled on the ferry with only eight other people on board.
"It's easy to see that that's what people would have done in a situation like that. Most people would have run away," another survivor, Bjorn Ihler, told BBC Two's This World.
"But at the same time this was the leader of the group that was on the island and like a captain abandoning the ship."

Originally posted by blueorder
I think these murders were barbaric, however I find them no more or less barbaric than an AMerican President authorising the incineration of tens of thousands of Japanese civilians with nuclear weapons

NOne of these crooked bureaucrats would kill all these people on their own. In a way, it's the system that killed the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, even though the President is guilty of giving the orders.

But that sick guy... he's a mass-murderer and should be kept out of reach for the rest of his lifetime.

Originally posted by starviego

Some fascinating tidbits are emerging from the trial. For example, the response of Norway's "elite" commandos sounds more like an episode of the 'Three Stooges:'

www.bbc.co.uk...
Delta Force, Norway's elite anti-terrorism commandos, were ordered to the scene. But no helicopter capable of transporting them was available. Instead, Delta had to drive the 40km (25 mile) journey, through winding mountain roads and Friday rush-hour traffic. It took them 40 minutes. Throughout that time, the young people on the island were defenceless. There was more delay when they arrived on the shore opposite Utoeya, believing that they faced more than one gunman. Delta filled the only police boat available with officers. The boat was overloaded, took on water and eventually stopped. Delta had to be rescued by a local boatman. Once they reached the island, Breivik surrendered.


And this:

www.bbc.co.uk...
When Breivik began shooting, the best hope of escape for the young people on the island was the ferry to the mainland. It was an old military landing craft, which could carry up to 60 people and was armoured against bullets. Yet in the first few minutes of the attacks, the leader of the Labour Party's youth wing, Eskil Pedersen, fled on the ferry with only eight other people on board.
"It's easy to see that that's what people would have done in a situation like that. Most people would have run away," another survivor, Bjorn Ihler, told BBC Two's This World.
"But at the same time this was the leader of the group that was on the island and like a captain abandoning the ship."

Ok, but in the exact same manner thatn Al Qaida and Bin Laden, this is calling out for a repressive police force to be everywhere, with CCTVs, curfews and check points.

The government of Norway may be inefficient in preventing isolated tragedies like this, but still it's far from putting millions in jail for whatever reason like the US or the UK. It seems to be far better than bigger NATO governments in terms of respecting people's rights and liberties, and that's something!

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I believe him.
He is a soldier, and he went to war against those that were attacking him.
I like him.
I think he will have a positive effect.

In the third week of the trial, more forensics info on the Utoya gunshot victims is coming out:

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Behring Breivik used three types of ammunition for semi-automatic rifles. Two of ammunition types were designed to create the largest possible damage.
- This creates thousands of tiny metal fragments - that can not be seen with the naked eye, said (Professor Torleiv)Rognum. ... Most victims were hit by 2-3 shots.

Sounds like Breivik was using 'frangible' rounds. Definitely not the type of bullets any normal person could get ahold of.

www.newsinenglish.no...
The autopsy reports of another dozen of Breivik’s victims were presented in detail to the court on Thursday.

Where are the detailed reports? I have seen no info as to what caliber of bullets were fired, if any victim was hit by shotgun rounds(early reports, since rescinded, claimed the shooter had a shotgun), etc. Those details do not even appear in Norwegian media accounts, yet those details could point to another shooter.

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Before he forced himself to emerge into the cold water, he(wintess) had seen Breivik kill more young people on the water's edge. Even (Breivik) claims he does not remember any of the murders of Pride Mountain and Bolshevik. ....(Proud Mountain is a promontory on Utøya northernmost point, and is also far east of the island. Bolshevik is a bay located just west of Pride Mountain.)
It was then that he saw many AUF-ers were hit by Breivik deadly shots - shots Breivik said he did not remember to have fired.

Breivik has freely admitted and recalled other murders committed on Utoya. Can he not remember because he didn't do those particular shootings?

Originally posted by XXX777
reply to post by kn0wh0w

 

I believe him.
He is a soldier, and he went to war against those that were attacking him.
I like him.
I think he will have a positive effect.

Maybe you have some issues yourself there.....

He has no right to take innocent lives, ever.

You intitled to your opinion as I am mine, just remember that

Originally posted by magma

Originally posted by XXX777
reply to post by kn0wh0w

 

I believe him.
He is a soldier, and he went to war against those that were attacking him.
I like him.
I think he will have a positive effect.

Maybe you have some issues yourself there.....

He has no right to take innocent lives, ever.

You intitled to your opinion as I am mine, just remember that

An innocent life is a statistical kill. You can have 1 life on your side, or I can have 1 life on my side, or we can both experience a kill if the other takes advantage.

Breivik has a fairly good kill ratio. He is no atomic bomb, but he took out quite a few and still lives.