Discussion: What are the fundamental causes for mankind's current state? What solutions?

Hello, and may Peace be with us all.

For a moment, please suspend any illusions of grandeur and egotism. Incredible people have graced this earth. Profound minds have influenced our societies.

Leaders with Earth-shaking armies have conquered and ruled by the sword. Military leaders such as Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, and Hitler never managed to secure lasting stability.

Religious ideologies have guided us and ruled us by divine authority. The caste systems of India, the authority of the Papacy and Christendom, and the rulership of the Islamic Caliphs never managed to secure lasting Peace and equality.

Societies have been governed by philosophy, reason, and logic. Thinkers such as Socrates, Mahatmas Gandhi, Jiddu Krishnamurti, and Friedrich Nietzsche were unable to secure lasting change.

We have created systems of secular laws and governance to rule us. Monarchy, Republic, Totalitarian, Socialist, Communist... no political system has been able to secure lasting freedom, liberty, and justice.

We have tried separatism... we have tried melting pots. We fight at the borders that separate us... we fight on the streets that we share.

Science and technology is now leading the way forward. Leonardo di Vinci, Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, and Stephen Hawking were unable to use innovation to free mankind.


We have seen the most powerful warlords and empires rise and fall. We have seen wonderful change come through religion and philosophy, only to decay into stagnant control systems. Our promising governmental systems give rise to corruption and tyranny. Modernization is creating societies of materialistic, apathetic zombies.

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Before you reply, please consider the most awesome military, political, religious, philosophical, and scientific minds of all time. Compare your Self to the most influential systems and people in these fields that you can think of. Not for the sake of comparison, but for the realization that brilliant humans have been trying so many different ways to help mankind.

There is much hope for the future, but there is also much suffering. These great minds did little to secure the foundations of a world based on lasting brotherhood, caring, helping, sharing, and fairness.


What are the fundamental reasons for the "negativity" globally and within each individual person?

What solutions will bring about lasting stability, Peace, and inch us toward utopia?

Let us think together.

People think they need more than they really do.

In my opinion, creating a better world is the most pertinent issue for consideration.

Before we think that we are so intelligent, so righteous, and so enlightened as to have the perfect answers... why then have those more intelligent, more righteous, and more enlightened than ourselves failed to create a lasting betterment for our world?

Things have to get better. It's my responsibility, it's your responsibility, it's everyone's responsibility. But what has mankind been missing all this time?

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What are the fundamental reasons for the "negativity" globally and within each individual person?

-The struggle of being a slave to economic servitude, too distracted to think about, much less make the changes needed. I think also the fact that most news is sensationalistic, which means mostly dramatic reporting of...well drama of the worse kinds.
-There has been a loss of vision by our leaders, so there is no future to look forward or significant changes to move towards.
-Conditioned to want things we do not need, via voodoo marketing efforts.
-Focusing on all of our differences, culturally.

What solutions will bring about lasting stability, Peace, and inch us toward utopia?

-Take the copious amount of money out of politics and put in scientific development.
-Take away the sway of lobbyists.
-Minimize the wide reaching detriments of Monsanto, the monopolized food overlord.
-Include some degree of oneness in our perspectives, so that a little empathy can be involved in shaping our views of others on our planet.
-Bring on the replicator.
-Create an international organization for space faring endeavors.
-Focusing on our similarities as people, as much as differneces

I think we need to be less sentimental about human life in the short term and find real solution's to problems.

We need to end all charities as they are a capitalist invention that are not supposed to solve problems but nurture them.

The main thing is to move to a society that consider's economics and profit to be secondary.

We can fix Africa for example,its just not profitable.

Originally posted by Sahabi
Science and technology is now leading the way forward. Leonardo di Vinci, Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, and Stephen Hawking were unable to use innovation to free mankind.

There's a reason why Tesla's free energy didn't free mankind from power dependacy....

Tesla was a threat to those who stood to make large sums of money from technology they were involved with or funding. Thomas Edison was an enemy of Nicola Tesla because Tesla had advancements that would have made Edison's endeavors obsolete . Stopping Tesla from continuing with his inventions gave Edison his road to power, money and fame . The real price of Edison's greed was that we all paid the price for being without the advancements of Tesla's genius.

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Originally posted by SahabiWe have seen the most powerful warlords and empires rise and fall. We have seen wonderful change come through religion and philosophy, only to decay into stagnant control systems. Our promising governmental systems give rise to corruption and tyranny. Modernization is creating societies of materialistic, apathetic zombies.

Agreed

Originally posted by SahabiBefore you reply, please consider the most awesome military, political, religious, philosophical, and scientific minds of all time. Compare your Self to the most influential systems and people in these fields that you can think of. Not for the sake of comparison, but for the realization that brilliant humans have been trying so many different ways to help mankind.

There is much hope for the future, but there is also much suffering. These great minds did little to secure the foundations of a world based on lasting brotherhood, caring, helping, sharing, and fairness.

Originally posted by SahabiWhat are the fundamental reasons for the "negativity" globally and within each individual person?

The Federal Reserve, Greed, Economies failing, bad politics, war, debt, unemployment, kids not getting fed, foreclosures, nuclear travesty's - this could go on for a while.

Originally posted by SahabiWhat solutions will bring about lasting stability, Peace, and inch us toward utopia?

If all of the above where eliminated the world would be a better place, but a perfect utopia cannot exist here as we live in a state of spiritual learning and to learn what evil is you have to see it. The world is a balance of the two good and evil.

On/Off Day/Night Hot/Cold Good/Evil 0/1

The solution is to learn as much as possible, love as much as possible, and help as much as possible.

That's my belief and too each their own.

In my own opinion, humans might not be running things.
I don't really know for sure, but humans can't be this corrupt

What are the fundamental reasons for the "negativity" globally and within each individual person?
[color=gold] power driven individuals with wealth who control from behind the scenes-
What solutions will bring about lasting stability, Peace, and inch us toward utopia?
[color=gold] Ethnic/religious/scientific education for ALL* to better wash the minds free of the control placed upon the minds as of now. Medical assistance somehow for ALL* you never know that poor 3rd world child no one cares about may have within their mind FTL /vaccine / intelligence but since the world that would benefit doent seem to care why should the intelligence come from that specific seed. In a way its like a species development signal. Like ok they are keeping care of ALL so allow that 1 to teach the others.. I think this goal in the OP to find utopia can be reached with peace or FORCE from beyond but do feel it can be reached. Thos who control with FEAR need to face FEAR of something more powerful and destructive then them so they loose their egos and begin to interact with the rest of the herd..

Let us think together. [color=gold]GREAT IDEA and thanks

Fear is the fundamental cause for mankind's current state. Fear of the dark, fear of the light.

Mankind is passing through a very painful - yet necessary transition.
It is the transition of Power, the understanding and responsibility of it in it's entirety.

We've got the ability to enslave ourselves with technology. Mankind has the power to commit suicide (Nuclear weapons) --- This is mankind's current state.

But it is a transition.

And we will come out of it - or we will destroy ourselves.

Yet with all that I have learned about the power of love - I remain optimistic.

One of our underlying issues is the Fear of the Dark --- We deny half of reality by ignoring the Negative. We pass the responsibility of Darkness to the Powers that Be - they sacrifice in it's name, and meagerly spread their leavings to the masses in the form of iPhones and cloned bananas.

Turn your light off when you go to sleep at night.
I strongly believe this is an important first step

The moment in which you begin to define art, is the moment in which you begin to destroy or kill it's very nature. Over time the creation and strengthening of cognitive bias' have lead us so astray, that we are delusional to any truths and suffer from amnesia in regards to how we've became who we are, and where we come from. These are the reasons why.

There are no solutions in which we can just theorize and put into action. Only time will bring about events in which dismantle the 'beast' that our very consciousness has created. Which come as moments of Revelations. So, buckle up, enjoy the ride, and find comfort in the deepest wounds.
"for peace, for he must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war."

Realize that we are not slaves to our animal/evolutionary instincts, and suppress them when they interfere with our higher moral functions.

Stop looking to the intelligentsia and the supposed "best and brightest" for answers, as how we currently define intelligence is a biological mechanism. All of these supposed geniuses running around are born with their future cognitive abilities, most were smart from the time they were very young, therefore intelligence is as skin deep as beauty and says nothing about one's character.

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Exactly why I give little credence towards the notion of Meritocracy. I've witness some of the most genius, and truth bearing statements come from those who would never be recognized as having the merit to make such claims. Which sucks, just imagine all the knowledge we have determined as being false based on merit of the one who presented it...

The superior man is distressed by the limitations of his ability; he is not distressed by the fact that men do not recognize the ability that he has.
Confucius

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
Confucius

As to how we have come to the current state of mankind... it's as simple as Adam and Eve...

To see and listen to the wicked is already the beginning of wickedness.
Confucius

Monkey see, monkey do... from the first act of supposed 'Evil' we have only further instituted such acts into behavioral patterns of deviation in our cognitive inquiries for means of understanding...
hope that made sense LOL.

What are the fundamental causes for mankind's current state? What solutions?

1 - Mankind's current state is difficult to define; presumably the allusion is to the overall unpleasantness of the human condition, generally speaking.

However, this state is a matter of perspective.

There are those among us, although they are very few in number, who would be completely happy for things to continue as they are. These few are comfortable, in no danger, their posterity is well assured and insured, and the time they have is free to use as they like. Their obligations are voluntary. They have above average treatment in all affairs, and they are disinclined to empathize with those less fortunate because it is not "their concern."

There are those among us who fret on a constant basis about the impending obligations they face. They owe subservient obedience to others; they are not certain of their long term viability to provide or survive as they are now. Any time they have for themselves is "stolen time" which any number of others in their lives could demand from them. They cannot offer any security to their posterity as they are fixed on their ability to survive through the present, let alone worry about the far future.

There are those among us who are virtual slaves to an institutionalized debt doctrine. They are essentially reduced to a net worth of zero; and all they have to trade is their person (and sadly, occasionally that of their chattel.) These people must negotiate their way through life pleading and bargaining for opportunities and resources they cannot access without overt assistance.

And then there are those who are actual slaves. Their entire lives are dependent on the favor of another. They make no decisions, can have no assets, and have no recourse but submission. These are in bondage, many obliged to debase themselves to survive. Some must literally be given resources like food and water, because they cannot take it themselves without risking dire physical and mental duress - if not pain and death..

This is the human condition. It includes the wealthy trillionairs whose names we may never know, the royalists whose ancestors declared themselves 'rightfully' and undeniably superior. It also includes the clowns of theater, political, social, and artistic; who are idolized and promoted as worthy of adulation. Among the mix there are agitators and dissidents, some frightfully dangerous,. some mostly impotent.

Then there are the rest of us.

First consideration for me goes to the nature of the condition. Has it always been this way? Yes, as far as I know. Has it ever been different? No, as far as I know. We have myths, legends, and fanciful tales describing the Utopian ideal... but they have no substance; and offer only illusory hope.

We have governments comprised of humans... most of whom are already, or in the process of becoming, members of the very few who never need to worry about anything, if they so choose. Yet most such institutions of government arose on a popular platform of improving the lot of the majority... even though it appears commonly to be a platform of lies.

And so what is the "cause" of this condition? Very simple answer, in my opinion. Pride.

The pride that convinces us that 'we' (pejoratively speaking) are better than another, are better equipped and can rightfully judge others, that we deserve more, rate higher, are more important, advanced, smarter, more righteous, and generally should number among the more important considerations in all things.

This is the same pride that commands us to believe that "the ends justifies the means" and "It's OK to lie to lesser people who don't matter" and "If I can steal it, the rightful owner didn't care enough to protect it ... so it should be mine." This pride tells us "I don't have to be faithful, loyal, or true" because obviously "I'm more important." and "How I feel matters more than how you feel." and of course.... "Let's talk about me."

To my mind, pride is the mother of all sin.

Where does pride come from? It comes from us. And therein we can search for the solution.

2 - It has been said that a civilization can best be measured by the quality of its people.

As a civilization, we are not doing so well producing good people. We are too busy separating ourselves into groups of "people who are better" or "people who are different" for any number of trite excuses and vapid intellectual gymnastics... all of which we accept as long as we are among the beneficiaries of the flawed logic.

Solution? Be a better person. Start with ourselves, then help others. Be a witness to the better angels of our nature... kindness, empathy, humility, and a sincere devotion to a goal that exalts dignity and good grace.

... but most people want solutions that others can provide... not one they have to take responsibility for themselves.

Thanks for listening. Great thread idea!

Humility.

hu·mil·i·ty/(h)yo͞oˈmilitē/

Noun:
A modest or low view of one's own importance; humbleness.

Synonyms:
modesty - meekness - humbleness - lowliness - submission

Our arrogance as a species, or our lack of humility, has been our constant downfall. We think we know it all. We think we're right about any and everything.

We need to return to humility. Without it, we're doomed.

In my humble opinion.
ETA; just read the above poster.

But my post still stands.

Wow, interesting questions.

What causes our problems? Primal nature and the acquisition of necessary resources. The first murder was probably over food, water or the need to mate and procreate. When we think these things are threatened, we become hideously aggressive and violent.

The cure?

No solid answers. The journey toward knowledge and enlightenment is different for everyone though the destination is almost always the same...peace and contentment.

You cannot legislate goodwill toward man...
You cannot mandate fairness...

Some will rise above the primal as they seek the path of knowledge and some will never even bother seeking it.

I offer the suggestion that the fix is already underway.
Basically, the ETs with their countless abductions especially in the US, are altering the DNA of abductees such that the off-spring of those receiving such DNA from their parents are more liberally minded.

I could claim that they are liberals, period, but that would be a little drastic. Perhaps it is safer to simple say that such off-spring are more often democrats than republicans. --That is NOT a joke!

In addition to the children of abductees being genetically changed to be more liberal, I suspect that actual changes are done on the spot to the minds of the abductees. I know in my case that after my abduction my redneck hide went from being exactly that--if more thoughtful than my redneck peers--to being more liberal minded in all areas. In truth, it is a constant interior battle for me between the old and the new.

I'll offer a more startling assessment to insure that attack. Given that the US is into the second generation (in terms of years) of the children of abductees that are producing more liberals than ever (which naturally favor the democrats and may more strongly favor females), I suspect that the subtle changes in DNA that have brought about those changes in the mental constructs of those folks have also tended to make, shall we say, gender identities more diffused.

Originally posted by satron
People think they need more than they really do.

People thinking they can think for other people.

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Hello satron. Greed is related to much of mankind's suffering. Do we truly want a thing, or are we actually addicted to the emotion of wanting and desiring?



reply to post by speculativeoptimist

Hello speculativeoptimist. "Focusing on all of our differences, culturally" is a great contributor to the current state of mankind. Separation, polarization, compartmentalization, and isolation amongst mankind is breeding-ground for fear, prejudice, worry, hate, anger, and apathy. "Include some degree of oneness in our perspectives, so that a little empathy can be involved in shaping our views of others on our planet." This is a wonderful point. Mankind, animals, plants, water, sun, subatomic particles... there is truly a self-evident reality of interconnectedness that must be more widely understood. Everything in existence is a stacked domino... effect one, and you effect it all.



reply to post by Germanicus

Hello Germanicus. Lack of help for a lack of profit... sounds like greed. There are many things that could be fixed but aren't. There are many things that should not be broken, but are destroyed anyway. Addressing the actual root cause of something is indeed much more wise than simply addressing the root's apparent symptoms. Perhaps we could learn to do both; treat the symptoms and fix the cause.



reply to post by PageAlaCearl

Hello PageAlaCearl. It is a dishonor to mankind that so many great innovations in free energy and cheap energy have been suppressed, hidden, and sabotaged. There is an apparent duality to this reality. Goodness can not exist without wickedness. Moreover, both are subjective concepts. However, we can strive as individuals and as a collective mankind to pursue unity and peace. Even though negative must exist for positive to exist, we can always influence the matter.



reply to post by Prisoner60863

Hello Prisoner60863. "humans can't be this corrupt". If you were walking along and you see an abandoned baby laying on the ground crying... what types of emotions would this bring about in your Self? Would you chop the babies head off for religious, ideological, or political reasons? Would you walk passed and feel absolutely no guilt or second thoughts? Most (not all) humans would feel emotions of empathy, caring, helping, and love. Our nature is more beautiful than it is ugly. We have just been focused on the ugliness for too long.

What do you mean "current state?" Are you somehow implying that mankind is somehow worse now than it's ever been, or that it is inherently bad?

Man, I don't care for that implication. Mankind is what it is. Neither good nor bad. Therefore, there are no "solutions" to what you considered to be a problem. The problem is with YOU. If you don't like humanity or life, in that it's somehow too intense for your delicate nature, then I suggest you get out. There are plenty of ways.

But don't even try to imply that there's something wrong here, because there isn't. This is status quo. Good, bad, it all depends on how YOU look at it.

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Yes Blue Shift. I agree with you. I believe you have me mistaken. I see a wonderful reality with peace, chaos, light, dark, negative, positive, you, me, and we. I am not of the camp that would demonize man. No, not in the least! We are good, evil and everything between and beyond. It's a subjective world of relativity, where the many are the one.

The questions I ask in this thread should be asked within the consciousness of mankind at all times. It is the role of the observer and experiencer. What is the state of Self? What is the state of mankind? What is the state of reality? What state would I wish to see? How? Why? Why again? It is a good habit to ask such questions.

Do we see habitat loss, extinction, air/soil/water pollution as a result of modernization and industrialization? How can we fix such problems?

Do we see starvation, genocide, war, and preventable diseases as a result of Ego, selfishness, apathy, and greed? How do we fix such problems?

Do we see people going out of their way to help others? Do we see good in the world? How can we promote such things?

Do we see a majority of negativity in the media, news, music, video games, movies, and television rather than positivity? Why? If there is a 'negativity' propaganda, why can there not be an equally voiced 'positive' propaganda?

There is equally as much beauty as ugliness, and even in these are concepts of subjectivity.

Everything is impermanent and All is what it is. However, we have the power to co-create from that which first manifests internally. This is a power far greater than reaching the state of non-duality.

Peace be to you my friend.

P.S.
Have a look at my sig. I realize these quotes, I don't flash them for show. I understand the role "I" play.