i think i met a sleeper cell what shouldi do?

Originally posted by LL1
Have to ask what is the kangaroo meat for?
poor kangaroos...

Its used for eating, yes human food.

Muslims claim a universal bortherhood. Many of the terrorists in Iraq/Chechnia/Bosnia etc are Muslims from other countries. There is a report that some of the Muslims holding the British hostage in Iraq are "British" Muslims who have gone there to fight they very country they leech from. Few of the Muslims in Camp X-Ray are actually from Afganistan.

Muslims can't have it both ways - they cannot claim that all Muslims are their brothers and then deny them if they do bad things.

Either you are a brother or not. I do not consider all Christians my bother - I do not have an allegiance to other Christians simply because I am of the same religion. That's one of the many differences between a civilised religion like Christiainty and the 12 century barbarism called Islam.

So Abdul's people are doing wrong - they are HIS people.

There are over one billion muslims in this world it is not fair to say all of them or "your people" to place blame on a whole people of a faith for the actions of a few. That is pure ignorance.

Ignorance Denied!

Thanks for the info, human consumption....
hmmm..
Aren't kangaroos in the rodent family?

I appreciate you may have trouble grasping the concept so I will keep it simple.


Either Muslims are a universal botherhood or they are not.

If they are - then they ARE Abdul's people - terrorists

or

Muslims are NOT an universal brotherhood.

If they are not - Muslims in say America or UK should not be concerned about what happens to Muslims in other countries.

In saying that Abdul's people are terrorists you are calling him one yet you do not even know who this person is.

These are personal attacks against a member of this site and will not stand without a warning.

He may or may not be a Muslim, if he is a Muslim that does NOT make him or any other Muslim a terrorist.

If you continue down this path you will continue to get warnings.



[edit on 26-9-2004 by UM_Gazz]

Both legally and morally place blame on an ENTIRE group of people for wrongs of some.
BTW didn't Muslims go to Iraq to help free hostages just the other day.
Here we go...

It's a racist view to blame an entire group.
I guess to you allllll Whites are like T. McVeigh, and alllll Blacks are like OJ...
Let's hold the entire Caucasian race accountable for McVeigh, and the entire Black race accountable for OJ.

BTW Christians and Muslims seek to pull a following...
Not Jews, one is born a Jew.

Without commenting on anyone personally.....

I am trying to have a logical debate.

So no - one does not associate all black people with OJ or all white people with McVeigh - why? because I am not talking about race - why do you want to bring race into the argument? hmm suspicious

It is about RELIGIOUS affiliation. And it appears, as ever, that one particular religion wants it all ways.

Originally posted by crossfire
Either Muslims are a universal botherhood or they are not.

One label isn�t appropriate for an entire theological belief system. There are different groups of Muslims, most follow the Koran as it was intended as a peaceful guide to living a life with god and others follow a radical perverted interpretation of the text.

To say all Muslims are hell bent on terrorism and the destruction of the western world isn�t accurate or fair. These perverted groups are hijacking a peaceful religion to advance their own political and social agendas

What I said was that Muslims claim universal brotherhood - then reject it when convenient. Hypocrisy.

Whenever you hear a Muslim group in the West complain about US policy then remember - hypocrisy.

Originally posted by crossfire
What I said was that Muslims claim universal brotherhood.

Sorry I must have missed that. Who said that and does that person speak for the billions of Muslims found across the world?

DON'T TELL ME GOVERNMENTS KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON THESE PEPOLE!
Is everyone in here forgetfull i remember just recently 9/11 to be precice where planes were flying into the wtc.
poor simple minded pepole this post was mainly to get an idea of how other pepole saw the situation you must remember it wasn't just me who witnessedthis my brother seen it to.

i was just trying to make a point....

I was born/raised in NY, where we come in contact with people from all over the globle, and walks of life.
Walk down 5th Ave. or go to Central Pk., even Westchester and Putnam Counties.
I've worked jobs where I have had contact with poeple of various backgrounds.
I believe geographically ones tolorance to other groups comes from where one lives. Exposure makes a difference.
I'm a person that does not judge people...
Can we judge people? Go by an individuals actions, that shows the real person.
Show me ones' actions and I'll tell you who you are...

mullet
So you think that we are:
"poor simple minded pepole"
So we are "poor" and "simple-minded".
How old are you????


crossfire
Know what, there was a hotel in NYC that got sued for employees
calling other Muslim employees terrorists. They won....
On the grounds of discrimination, so I'd be real careful with public statements like that.

crosfire just slow down a bit and listen, i live in australia and let me tell you multiculterism is big in this country.
i also live in adelaide where there alot of imagrants i have worked with chinese, greeks, lebonese, vietnamese, afgans, indians, pakastanies, aborigines, albainians my step father is yougoslav.
out of all these pepole this 1 man gets my attention i'm being paranoid?
i don't think so neither does my brother who worked with this guy longer than i.



pffft sue me this is australia mate you can't sue pepole down here just for farting . any way what's he gonna sue me for my vegi patch? it's about all i've got

[edit on 26-9-2004 by unhingedmullet]

by LL1

Aren't kangaroos in the rodent family?

Kangaroo's are actually marsupials meaning that they raise their young in a pouch

unhingedmullet

pffft sue me this is australia mate you can't sue pepole down here

In Australia it is very hard to sue anyone, and then when you can your payout is about half of what legal fee's cost you. They set it up this way so our courts don't get clogged up with trivial lawsuits. Down here we tend to sort things out ourselves in our own special way.

unhingedmullet, if you are that concerned about it, here's the hotline number. 1800 123 400

Just remember though, reporting your workmate to ASIO may be diverting rescources away from finding the real terrorists, not to mention that if he's innocent this guy will be red flagged and probably have no hope of gaining permanent residency.

Originally posted by crossfire
Muslims claim a universal bortherhood. Many of the terrorists in Iraq/Chechnia/Bosnia etc are Muslims from other countries. There is a report that some of the Muslims holding the British hostage in Iraq are "British" Muslims who have gone there to fight they very country they leech from. Few of the Muslims in Camp X-Ray are actually from Afganistan.

Do I see a straw man? Build up that brotherhood of muslims nonsense.

Muslims can't have it both ways - they cannot claim that all Muslims are their brothers and then deny them if they do bad things.

Guilt nonsense. So, no one can belong to a family, and not be responsible if they bad things. Umm...

Either you are a brother or not. I do not consider all Christians my bother - I do not have an allegiance to other Christians simply because I am of the same religion. That's one of the many differences between a civilised religion like Christiainty and the 12 century barbarism called Islam.

So, you believe in sectarianism? Go look up the big war that ravaged Europe for hundreds of years, after Martin Luther came out with Protestantism. Only, when the various religious groups agreed to halt fighting at the peace of Westfalia was there peace. Is bloody religious war, what you consider the mark of civilization?

Oh by the way, do you know who invented modern Muslim fundamentalism. It wasn't Bin Laden. It wasn't even the Iranian clerics. It was the proud Zbigniew Brzezinski. Last I checked, he's never been Muslim.

Originally posted by unhingedmullet
i just asked asked him out of the blue if he had ever met osama he replied "no i was never that lucky"

And because of that you think that the guy is a terrorist? And you think that he is in aussi-land as part of a secret terror cell? ANd he told you one day as you and he were bouncing along in your, pickup, i'm going to guess?

ibm
Report to your local police immediately. Meantime get yourself a Cannon Elph digital camera and a pair of Bushnell Binoculars and a camcorder, start documenting everything. This is what I would do.

Be prepared to be arrested for being a peeping tom then.

unhingedmullet
these same people cheered when they heard about the first american casualties in iraq.

Who? The afghanis you work with?

if i was going to go to the cops i would have done months ago

Then why post? If you aren't going to go to the cops then you shouldn't be doing anything at all.

thematrix
he was seen as a great and wonderfull asset by the US too.

When? The US gov has only ever said that bin ladens fighters didn't receive US support, and that it was other mujahideners in afghanistan that did receive support.

unhjingedhmullet
was earning around $700/$800AUS a week most of which he would send back to his country

And how many family members does he have back there? How much do they have to pay to local mobsters for protection, and how much do they have to pay to bride local officials for farming licenses and whatnot? God forbid an immigrant work hard, live sparingly, and send most of his paycheck to his father mother uncles and aunts.

the day i spoke about when this fellow cheered when the first americans were killed i kid you not knives were drawn and it took a good 10 minutes to difuse the situation.

Ah, ok. And this company also had an employee who is a battlefield detainee, fighting in afghanistan against the US? Yes, then you -should- be alerting some authorities, but still, you should -not- take any actions on your own.

abdul
Just becuase the man said something to the affect of "not being lucky" enough to have met Osama bin laden means absolutely nothing

I agree with that, however, lets look at it overall. One of the companies employees left australia to fight with the taliban in afghanistan against the US. He didn't just pop off on his own without anyone to meet I am sure. Some of the guys being considered are obviously on the side of the jihadis, at least far enough to be happy about americans being killed while fighting the taliban. They also are in australia on a temporary work visa. Taken together, its entirely possible that some of them know something, like say who told the aussie who to go see to fight with the taliban, that sort of thing.

crossfire
Either Muslims are a universal botherhood or they are not.

They are not, but some claim to represent the whole. And 'abdul' seems to be saying he is not an arab.

If they are not - Muslims in say America or UK should not be concerned about what happens to Muslims in other countries.

No, that doesn't follow at all. Muslims in the US can be concerned about Muslims in other countries and still not be terrorists. Its pretty absurd that you would even claim such.

I am trying to have a logical debate.

This would unfortunately require logical thought.

it appears, as ever, that one particular religion wants it all ways.

So because some muslims are terrorists, and some muslims claim, what is it exactly, a brotherhood, then all muslims are terrorists? Logical debate over, you loose.

What I said was that Muslims claim universal brotherhood - then reject it when convenient. Hypocrisy.

Actually you haven't been clearly saying that. And its not hypocritical for all muslims since not all muslims do this.

unhingedmullet
this is australia mate you can't sue pepole down here just for farting

I think that the Anti-Flatulation League will disagree....

editor
probably have no hope of gaining permanent residency.

Do you really care if some guy who sympathizes with terrorists and cheers the deaths of american soliders gets permanent residence status? Actually, I do, and I'd prefer he -not- be given such status.

Unhingedmullet should report what he's told everyone here, the reasons for knowing that this guy and other afghanis sypmathize with the terrorists, the large amounts of money they send back home (in itself not suspicious at all tho) and that this is the company that the aussie held as a battlefield detainee worked for. Thats clutch here, the pre-existant link to terror organizations and the taliban itself. It would -not- be a waste of resources, and heck, there is probably already a preliminary interest in some of the places the detainee worked for.

sorry jamuhn you must give me a bit more credit these same people cheered when they heard about the first american casualties in iraq.
i must also add he also said that this would have been an honour.

I would certainly report this. At the very least, it might prompt an investigator to make sure these guys are who they claim, compare names/faces, etc. If they are clean, they shouldn't have anything to worry about, and your conscience can be clear...

Originally posted by weirdo

Originally posted by keholmes

Originally posted by weirdo
��������But with a Kangaroo that`s just to much hard work easier to hold down a sheep

Just a quick question�..are you speaking from personal experience or is this a guess?

Personnel experiance of course.I have welsh blood in my family.

OI...i am welsh(south though)and we aint got many sheep left here...more dogs than anything(they are cuter and easier to catch