Where is the Full Length Pentagon Video OF 911?

Originally posted by pigsy2400
reply to post by SimontheMagus

 

Then where is the plane now, and where are the passengers that were aboard the plane?

Are all of the people that were on the plane accounted for, alive & well somewhere?

Are their families in on it as well?

or am I going to get the response that ''the passengers were offloaded somewhere and summarily executed!'' - which would have involved a vast amount of people & keeping secrets these days is a chore!!

These questions can only be answered by the criminals that did this. Why is it that people who recognize that the evidence doesn't fit the official BS are expected to know exactly what did go down that day when there has been no legitimate investigation? Do you realize the absurdity of that?

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by SimontheMagus

 

Here's what a real plane crash should look like, in the real world:

That is a slow speed impact.

You realize that most other countries have air crash investigators. why are they not crying out? By default you are saying that the US gov is controlling all crash investigators in the entire world.

The Citizen Investigation team video has 13 witnesses, including Pentagon Police officers who were absolutely sure of what they saw, saying that the plane took between 10 and 15 seconds to reach the Pentagon from the Navy Annex. That is in contrast to about 3.6 seconds it would have taken traveling at the official BS speed of 460 knots. The actual speed was less than 150 knots according to these witnesses. Hardly enough to vaporize a 757 or cause any part of it to travel through those 3 rings of the Pentagon.

However, a missile dropped off its underbelly, or perhaps this thing was retrofitted to carry the missile in a less conspicuous spot, would certainly cause the damage consistent with the evidence at the building, along with the classic signature orange fireball of a missile.

Then you would also have to explain why the support beams on the first floor were exploded outwards instead of inwards, how the plane cleared the cable spools, why the left engine didn't gouge out the lawn or cause any damage at all to the foundation, and on and on and on it goes.

But hey, keep drinking the koolaid all you want. One has to wonder why you have to be so indignant when anyone else won't join you.

Originally posted by fixer1967
Why not release something even if it was fake? It is like someone wanted to keep people guess and fighting about this. What I feel is going on with the 9/11 conspiracy and other conspiracies as well is you have a conspiracy inside a conspiracy inside a conspiracy. You have overlapping conspiracies. You have one conspiracy to help hide another one. I feel that we may never know the truth behind a lot of the conspiracies going on now days because truth is far stranger and crazy than any of the theories that any one has came up with.

You sir have hit the proverbial nail on the head IMHO. I know people think I'm a "debunker" because Reheat and I tend to be on the same side with respect to so much of the factual record of 9/11. There is a reason for that. There is an objective historical record of the events of that day. Of course there are perceptions of those events which are quite subjective (eyewitness accounts) and must be weighed based on the objective record.

But, you hit on something that I've said for years now and I'll repeat it once again here. I will state this up front, this is my opinion based on my experience working with the Pentagon datasets and interactions with the various agencies involved (FAA, DoD and NTSB). It is not based on any actual conclusive evidence that I can point too, only circumstantial evidence that can easily be explained away individually.

IMHO, the Pentagon dataset has been deliberately manipulated to generate just what you describe. And I also find it odd that CIT was able to get the interviews at the Citgo (an area restricted at the time for such activities) with DPS officers, filmed them with a Navy officer escorting them. That sounds like an awful lot of access for some forum junkie in California to gain, and I remind you that it was "sanctioned" by the DoD. That interview set (Citgo) is the genesis of the NoC nonsense. At about the same time, here comes CPT Bob and P4T with more nonsense based on a NTSB animation and csv file. The csv file turned out to be the result of the parity codes in the flight data recorder being set to null. Whether intentionally reset or not is open to debate.

Originally posted by pigsy2400Madness, if there is something you truly believe,look for the logical reason / explanation, by suggesting this you are undermining yourself and your own credibility by looking for any other reason to fit your narrative.

I am sorry, I have just re-read that last paragraph & I sound like a right arse, or even a debunker or which I am not. It is the inconsistencies with the OS that I find worrying, however jumping to any conclusion to fit your theory is why this sort of discussion remains locked down to forums like this & not in the public domain,. sigh!

And it continues with more of the same, such as this.

Originally posted by SimontheMagusFBI Claims 84 Videos Show NO Flight 77 Impact

www.rense.com...

Now everyone who is seriously involved in 911 research knows that those videos have ALL been released. Scott Bingham took the FBI to court and got the inventory referred to in the rense article. Scott gave up his efforts in frustration and after providing me with the original materials sent to him by the FBI, I picked up the ball and took the FBI back to court to secure those videos release. Scott went back after the ones pertaining to the WTC and I got the ones from the Pentagon of interest to me. However, EVERY video on that list is in the public domain now. If you can't find it, just request it via FOIA from the FBI. They will charge you 25-30 dollars for duplication and mail it to you. There is only one set of Pentagon videos (I am BCR at JREF) remaining and they are NOT on that list. So why are people like SimontheMagus still pushing what they know is bogus information?

So I am with you. They like to scream up and down about the OS'ers, but who is perpetuating false information to perpetuate bizarre theories? And I for one want to know what it is all a distraction from.

reply to post by SimontheMagus

Why is it that people who recognize that the evidence doesn't fit the official BS are expected to know exactly what did go down that day when there has been no legitimate investigation?

Because those people are not experts.
They were not there the day of the event.
They did not examine the evidence first hand.
They did not question the witnesses themselves.

All they see is the crap posted on the internet.

By the same token they can never prove their crackpot theories. Never ever.

reply to post by samkent


I agree, I want the truth about 9/11 as I have said a million times, there are parts of the OS that should be questioned. However, it appears that any small or large details is being changed by people just to suit the basis of their theories however ridiculous. This sort of thing enrages me, using any excuse or photo you can find on Google images without the basis or proper research or explanation to desperatly prove your point,...well stinks of desperation.

Rather than admit it, why dont you concentrate on parts of the OS that are just not viable or believeable or have been questioned by the wider community before.

Zeta Reticullilan Reptioids sunbathing on hologramtic missiles that have parts of an airliner blu-tacked onto the sides isn't going to cut it for me!

Logic & reasoning will!

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by SimontheMagus

 

Why is it that people who recognize that the evidence doesn't fit the official BS are expected to know exactly what did go down that day when there has been no legitimate investigation?

Because those people are not experts.
They were not there the day of the event.
They did not examine the evidence first hand.
They did not question the witnesses themselves.

All they see is the crap posted on the internet.

By the same token they can never prove their crackpot theories. Never ever.

You don't have to be an expert to know that square pegs don't fit into round holes.

They don't have to prove their theories. All they have to prove is that the OS is a lie, which has been done every which way from Sunday, in every facet of every event on 911, leading up to 911, and after 911. After that, only an official, unbiased, independent investigation by a legitimate council will uncover the truth.

There is no theory more "crackpot" than the OS.

reply to post by SimontheMagus


Look, I am on your side also. There are too many inconsistencies that do not add up in my mind, from the WTC buildings to the Pentagon.

But at least, if you are to present an argument to support your opinions or theories, they need evidence, or lacking that alot of cirumstantial evidence that points to a specific or various probable outcomes.

To take my point further, please take my previous comment regarding -; Where are the people from the plane that hit the pentagon if it was a missile that hit & not a plane?

Plane records, records of plane maintence, passsenger records, see if possible to locate those people(s) that were supposedly on those planes, pilot records, transponder codes for those planes, eye witness account of the plane landing and unloading passengers or any digital / paper records of this, Possible places the missile could have been launched from, local bases to the pentagon, what type of missile it would / could have been, where these are manufactured, any photos look like a missile wreckage.

Rather than take the line, I dont know, I cant be bothered to look, the perps who did it know, thats that!

Then as in my example, once you have deducted various sceranios however outlandish, most of the time all you are left with is the truth, seems like most people want the truth to be their truth, rather than the ulgy cold reality of the real world,

reply to post by SimontheMagus


I find this video very interesting, -



This pretty much sums up what I think of the Pentago attack, however how untrained hijackers were skilled enough to fly the plane at that altitude is shocking I do admit. It does raise the question did they intend to fly it at more of an altidude and divebomb the pentagon if you will, which would have caused more damage.

This video is also a good representation of passenger aircraft being flown at low altitdude, however the pilots were obviously very skilled www.youtube.com...

reply to post by 911files


John, If you will recall when CIT first went to Arlington along with Avery and (that guy who left them later) they told everyone their objective was to disprove that a missile hit the Pentagon. They concealed the fact that they had learned about LaGasse and Brooks, et al from Eastman and the Army Dept of History interviews and had other objectives. In other words they used subterfuge to gain access to the CITGO and those DPS guys. Why was the CITGO restricted anyway. Anyone can go there and always have been able to do so as far as I know, they just can't buy gas. None of the AAFES or NEX gas stations are restricted for entry by civilians. Non-DoD just can't make purchases. The Commissaries are different. Non-DoD ID Card holders can not enter those facilities...

Anyway, this would explain why DoD cooperated (if they did) as it was in their best interest to disprove the missile theory that was taking hold at the time... Perhaps that information can still be found, but I'm not in the mood to search for it...

reply to post by Reheat


Oh no Reheat, you were not allowed to take photographs/video without an official escort back then,. I know, my first trip I ended up in the back of a DPS car myself for doing just that. Fortunately when the guy saw my ID (law enforcement) and found out I was a "retired" cop, he let me keep the pictures/video I had already taken, but definitely prohibited me from taking any more. That was early 2007.

reply to post by 911files


Ok, it is different from all of the other facilities around the world... Perhaps there were a lot of curiosity seekers taking photos and they wanted to restrict that... It does make sense....

Originally posted by n00bUK
Dont let it scare you, understand it and try wake as many people as you can, without scaring the sht out of them

If it does not scare the # out of you, you're missing a component of your own self-preservation.

The reality is: The Department of Defense (DoD) that was involved in 9/11 is the same group that is practicing putting armed troops on our streets. This is the same group that has devoted literally billions of dollars to behavioral research and propaganda. This is the same group that has twisted and broken our troops into committing massive crimes and war crimes. This is the same group that has literally been sucking the life out of our economy and looting/pillaging foreign lands.

If 9/11 was just the opening move, what is the final goal?

Originally posted by Reheat
reply to post by 911files

 

Ok, it is different from all of the other facilities around the world... Perhaps there were a lot of curiosity seekers taking photos and they wanted to restrict that... It does make sense....

Yeah, that is why Craig and Aldo had to have an escort from the Navy media office to film at the Citgo. Then quite conveniently they have all of these NoC witnesses at their disposal. Just saying that it all sounds kinda fishy to me.

Originally posted by 911files

Originally posted by Reheat
reply to post by 911files

 

Ok, it is different from all of the other facilities around the world... Perhaps there were a lot of curiosity seekers taking photos and they wanted to restrict that... It does make sense....

Yeah, that is why Craig and Aldo had to have an escort from the Navy media office to film at the Citgo. Then quite conveniently they have all of these NoC witnesses at their disposal. Just saying that it all sounds kinda fishy to me.

Yeah, these sinister little nobodies all conspiring together to hang the innocent Bush-Nazi Crime Syndicate. One has to wonder what would be in it for them.

reply to post by SimontheMagus

You don't have to be an expert to know that square pegs don't fit into round holes.

Yes you do.
You have to disprove all the evidence. Each and every piece.
You have to discredit every witness.
You have to disprove every scrap of air plane parts.
You have to discredit all the radar evidence.
You have to disprove the black box data.
You have to show what happened to the airplane victims.

You can't pick and choose and then say you have shown no plane hit the Pentagon.

Originally posted by samkent

You can't pick and choose and then say you have shown no plane hit the Pentagon.

Well then show us the plane hitting the Pentagon.

I can keep up this charade as long as you do.

What are you going to prove without an investigation? Haven't you figured that out by now?

reply to post by SimontheMagus

Well then show us the plane hitting the Pentagon.

Most plane crashes do not come with video.
To use that as your basis for a conspiracy is what's wrong with the truther movement.
What lay people expect and what really happens are usually different.
That's why we have experts.
That's why we have eye witnesses.
That's why we have physical evidence.
That's why we have an electronic trail.

In short you and your theories are wrong.

Originally posted by samkent

Most plane crashes do not come with video.
To use that as your basis for a conspiracy is what's wrong with the truther movement.
What lay people expect and what really happens are usually different.
That's why we have experts.
That's why we have eye witnesses.
That's why we have physical evidence.
That's why we have an electronic trail.

In short you and your theories are wrong.

You're right, they don't. But this is the Pentagon. We're not stupid enough to believe that the entire perimeter of the building is not covered 24/7 by numerous surveillance cameras.

In the five frames, whatever that thing is that any idiot can tell is not a 757, it mysteriously jumps from behind that box to a sudden explosion. They took frames out. On purpose. It is crystal clear. They are hiding what it was. They can put all the theories to rest by showing us a video. But they won't. You can deny this all you want but any child with a Lego Movie Maker set can tell you this.

In short, you and your official fairy tale are absurd.

Originally posted by SimontheMagus
You're right, they don't. But this is the Pentagon. We're not stupid enough to believe that the entire perimeter of the building is not covered 24/7 by numerous surveillance cameras.

In the five frames, whatever that thing is that any idiot can tell is not a 757 mysteriously jumps from behind that box to a sudden explosion. They took frames out. On purpose. It is crystal clear. You can deny this all you want but any child with a Lego Move Maker set can tell you this.

In short, you and your official fairy tale are absurd.

edit on 10-7-2012 by SimontheMagus because: (no reason given)

So you're stupid enough to ignore all the evidence, because you believe that the Pentagon has 24/7 video feed that records at high resolution with extraordinarily high shutter speed for a security camera, and that these cameras are pointed arbitrarily in every direction because you think the Pentagon is constantly expecting an attack that can be prevented with cameras.

Do you even know anything about how government spending works, and how shutter speed works in cameras? The two videos we do have of the planes does not show them, because shutter speed was not high enough. In-between shutter captures, the camera captured too much light, turning the 500mph plane into a blur. You'll find this happening even on home cameras.

Do you see yet why you seem like an irrational idiot to some people?

Originally posted by Varemia
Do you see yet why you seem like an irrational idiot to some people?

No, but I can see how logic causes OS'ers to go on personal attacks because they have no alternative.

My son's elementary school would have caught it on camera, from whatever angle it came from. But not the Pentagon.

Yeah, right,

We're not fools, and you will obviously do whatever it takes to continue defending the perps.

Irrational idiot my arse. Go get some manners sonny.