NEWS: Is Germany Headed toward Fascist Extremism?

Three separate events occurred this week in Germany that has its citizenry worried that fascist extremism may be on the rise. Neo-Nazis tooks seats in the German legislature while the top-selling film in Germany, The Downfall, is a Hitler-sympathetic work. At the same time, the Flick Collection, allegedly emassed from a convicted war criminal's fortunes, opened at the Hamburger Bahnhof museum.



Neo-Nazis obtained seats in Saxony and Brandenburg on Sunday. This is the first time the illegal parties have had a seat in the German legislature since 1968.

The movie, The Downfall, portrays Hitler as "a human being, not a psychopath" and shows his "charm" and "soft spots".

The Flick Collection represents a 12 million dollar investment by the grandson of Friedrich Flick, convicted of using Jewish slave labourers in his weapons factories during World War II, and sentenced to seven years in prison during the Nuremberg trials.


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fascist extremism, Nazi, Hitler as "a human being, not a psychopath" and shows his "charm" and "soft spots".

Are we talking about the here and now?... Could this be in the 21st century?

I guess some things change, but evil finds a way to remain constant.

Interesting article.. Anon-News!

Whoever you are?

i have friends in romania and the Czech Rep. and they have told me many times that anti semite fealing are very strong where they live...maybe not openly and definitely not everyone but, in lands that witnessed the horrors of what happened in WWII i find it kinda unnerving that people that live there would ever want to see aus rotten or anything dealing with Nazism.


There is no good or evil...just consequences.

No don't see that coming.
It's the DDR's fault. The SED ruined the country and bred Neo Nazis in their Prisons. The economy in the east is weak. In times of depression, people tend to vote for populists.
The majority of the people does not and will not support parties like the DVU oder NPD.

"Der Untergang" presents Hitler as human and not as a monster. This shows that the post WW2 Propaganda turned into real confrontation with history. Hitler's old image, the image of the monster, is replaced with reality. People blamed everything on Hitler because they wanted to get away as "innocent Bystanders".

You will also notice that in Berlin there is an Exhibition about the War crimes of the Wehrmacht.

Flick jr funded an Organisation against Intolerance and Racism.

anon-news

You forgot to mention that the former communist party also gained seats in those elections, a sign that what the voters wanted was to punish Gerhard Schroeder's party.

These Neo-Nazis won elections only in the local Saxony, Brandenburg and a few other local parliaments; they have no real chance to win the general German elections; these will be surely a victory for CDU/CSU Christian Democracy.
I know what I'm talking about. I'm a German myself and I know what's going on in my country.

scary stuff...anyone got links on the parallels between Nazi germany and America?? I read a link the other day about Nazism in USA....that alot of the conditions are like they were in 20'3 and 30's Germany...it seems there was mass debaucry and a moral decline before the nazis took power.

freaky when you see pics of some of the policmen in America dressed all in black!

found this link: www.hermes-press.com...


NOT bashing amerikans again....just that in some ways there just enough evidence of Nazism in USA than in Germany

another link:
www.commondreams.org...

its interesting to note that in germany in the 20's there was an air of moral decline..followed by povety and then the Nazi rose to power. America has had a moral decline for ages...and there was massive wealth explosion with the tech boom....911......if theres some economic trouble mixed with another terrorism incident on usa soil that could easily usher in a nazi police state.

thank God for history so we may learn
thank God for the net so we may warn and tell

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A few radicals from old East Germany, here in our Congress we have radicals from both coasts as elected officials then we have elected officials from the center of the country. United Germany has only a few trouble makers. Our radicals and conservatives are split about 50-50.
So therefore it would seem America is in more trouble for the Neo Nazi's are all ready in control here. They fixed the vote in Florida then blackmailed the Judiciary into legalizing the election fraud. Then ignored warnings from Germany, Pakistan, and French Intelligence agencies as well as the CIA that there was going to be an aerial attack on the U.S. with commercial airlines. Then our Nazi Administration used their authority to order our NORAD self defense system to stand down.
And well after that everything went to hell restrictions in liberty, I have been held under the Patriot Act for 7 day's with no call and no bail. Then there is the War. I could go on and on but I think I got my feelings and point across.

TUT

Originally posted by UM_Gazz

I guess some things change, but evil finds a way to remain constant.





Interesting article.. Anon-News!

Whoever you are?

Gazz, You have be joking your a Mod you must know who that is

Originally posted by AtheiX
These Neo-Nazis won elections only in the local Saxony, Brandenburg and a few other local parliaments; they have no real chance to win the general German elections; these will be surely a victory for CDU/CSU Christian Democracy.
I know what I'm talking about. I'm a German myself and I know what's going on in my country.

Im sure that the same thing was said 60 odd years ago, we cant get complacent about these things. Before Hitler won the the elections everyone wrote him off. Thankfully the Neo- Nazis dont seem to have a leader like Hitler to ralley around. The Nazi's comming back to power is unlikely i agree, but it dosent hurt to keep an eye on them.
Fore warned is fore armed as they say.

People I think you misunderstand a definition
Nazism in only the German fascism and the idea of making Germany the world's ruler
The US "NeoNazis" can't be Nazis unless they intend to surrender the US to Germany

I'd worry more about the US becoming facist than Germany. All indications are proving that this country is becoming one that defines itself by defining its enemies. That's the definition of a facist state.

Originally posted by taibunsuu
I'd worry more about the US becoming facist than Germany.

Don't forget that Germany is the biggest economic power in Europe and one of the countries that lead (or have lead, until PL came) the EU
If something bad happens there it will have drastic consequences for the entire continent

True, but US is the largets economy in the world with almost no social awareness of what facism is. Ripe for das plucking.

Originally posted by taibunsuu
True, but US is the largets economy in the world with almost no social awareness of what facism is. Ripe for das plucking.

The basic thing is that we worry more about our own countries
You'd worry more about the US because you're an American
I'd worry more about Germany because it's my homeland

I dont think the conditions are the same as it was back then, after the First War it took a wheelbarrow full of Marks just to buy a loaf of bread and the treaty Germany was forced to sign after WW1 was a timebomb waiting to go off. The Country was in termoil. Ripe ground for a Party like the NAZI making promises to return Germany back to its former glory.
None of those conditions exist today so its un-likeley that the Neo-NAZI parties will be able to gain a big enough foothold in Germanys mainstream Politics. But like i said, i dosent hurt to keep an eye on them, as im sure Germanys Secret Services are.

Originally posted by Janus
I dont think the conditions are the same as it was back then, after the First War it took a wheelbarrow full of Marks just to buy a loaf of bread and the treaty Germany was forced to sign after WW1 was a timebomb waiting to go off. The Country was in termoil. Ripe ground for a Party like the NAZI making promises to return Germany back to its former glory.
None of those conditions exist today so its un-likeley that the Neo-NAZI parties will be able to gain a big enough foothold in Germanys mainstream Politics. But like i said, i dosent hurt to keep an eye on them, as im sure Germanys Secret Services are.

The conditions you speak of were immediately after the war when Germany was paying off the Allies, and they had no industry and massive debt. To make up, the German government printed more money. Confidence in the Mark dropped like an anvil in a septic tank. By the time Hitler was elected in 1933, the country was well on its way back to normalcy.

Mussolini once described facism as the union of state and corporate power. When you consider the corporate interests in the Gulf region combined with the actions of Paul Bremer, who made laws allowing Iraq's industries to be 100% foreign-owned, you get an idea of where things are headed in this country.

if u look at what happened to Germany before the nazis came there was massive MORAL decline....for example homosexuality and pedistry was so common and well known in Germany, and the Germans were so well known that it became know as the German Vice. Sin is a reproach to ANY people. what i was saying is that you already have the moral decline (not just in America but GLOBALLY) mixed with opulence...question is what would happen if the economy burst?? if not thousands but MILLIONS lost jobs?? a dictator is more attractive when the population needs a job.....its the same thing.....over and over...if a nation gets to a point where its had everything and lost it..it will put anyone in power to get back what it had.

is it crazy to suggest a link between the immorality of a nation and chart it to its final point?? i mean we know what happened with the holocaust..and question HOW could a nation (and it WAS a nation not just 4 goons dressed in black) allow and perform such evil ....but what is not looked at but is well known is the state of Germany 20 yrs before the Nazis came to power....from that immoral state came a breeding ground for what happened latter...its simple...if one generation turns away from righteousness and embraces immoriality..this is passed on to the next generation (like the 60's free love lead to break down of the family and modern day sexually transmitted diseases like AIDS---maybe not directly but it certainly had an effect as logic would show that if that generation had not turned against the morals and embraced what is simply sexualy immorality the standards would not have dropped)

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20 years before the rising of the Nazis to power, Germany was at war.

After the war there was a time of great political instability, with a failed attempt to create a Communist revolution by a extreme left party.

After the situation became more stable politically, the economical situation got worse. In July 1922 a US Dollar was worth 670 RM. In November 1923 the same US Dollar was worth 4,200,000,000 RM !

Hitler used that situation to gather support from the people, accusing the Jews of the economical situation and the Communists of the political situation.

People had more important things to think of than moral issues, they had not enough money to feed their children.

You must see the difference between ppl, which are called "nazi" in germany, and usa, someone in germany, is called nazi, like a NPD member, would be in the USA often be a "conservative" or "neo liberal", and member of the Republicans!

The farest right party in german parliament "CDU/CSU (christiandemocratic/christiansocial union)" is in much things more like your democrats, than the reps, in germany everything gets a bit more left, than in USA...

if anything i felt germany was becoming more left-wing in approach but i know communism and national socialism have very close parallels so you never know...

Also the link btw the US and Nazism could never be true could it?!

As if that wasnt obvious...