Americans Bombed Pearl Harbor With Airplanes Designed To Look Japanese

dashdespatch


I cant believe this has been going on for 18 pages. you wont answer half of peoples questions and you provide no evidence what so ever for your crazy theory

go on provide us with just one piece of hard evidence

Thats because all 18 of those people are saying the same thing you are...."Show me evidence". Why would TPTB have this evidence in the open? So we can post it here on ATS?



Missing frames, missing frames, missing frames! Show me the Pentagon footage Show me a Boeing, and i will shut up. But since you CANT show me a Boeing, why should i believe the elites haven't had their hand in the cookie jar as far back as Titanic? Even farther back? Pearl Harbor would be no different.

We need to get over the fact our government might not have a problem killing its own people to further along its goals for society. From war to terrorism.

Thousands of people could have watched Pearl Harbor happen,hell my grandpa could have even died in Pearl Harbor. How would that disprove the conspiracy? How do deaths, documents and crappy video footage disprove that world elites had a hand in the entire process?

reply to post by holywar666
The footage that you linked to isnt even the original footage,which has been "lost" and the poor quality is because its a copy...

As far as "thousands" of people watching the attack...

Anyone who was anywhere near,or directly in the line of fire of the attacking planes,were being relentlessly strafed by multiple machine gun fire,as bombs and buildings were exploding all around them, along with the sounds of burning flames, roaring engines and human screams and so i highly doubt that anyone was just casually standing around making detailed observations of the aircraft flying above them and swooping in at them and anyone else who may have seen the attacking planes would have been too far away to notice anything except distant aircraft,painted with the red circle rising sun japanese military insignia...

The people in the attacking aircraft were most likely a mixture of "japanese americans" hawaiians and perhaps even actual americans,who were all tricked,coerced and forced to do it,through an early version of mk ultra mind control,as well as from being threatened with their own deaths and the deaths of their entire families if they didnt comply and who would have even noticed who they really were? while flying around high in the sky,swooping in low and fast,covered in head gear and their faces partially obscured by goggles?

reply to post by blocula


What about the 100% verified japanese pilot captured?

Originally posted by dashdespatch
reply to post by blocula

 

What about the 100% verified japanese pilot captured?

Kazuo Sakamaki is the "one" person that we are talking about here and he was kept under armed "american" guard and so how many people actually got to talk to him? How many people at the time were able to ask him where he really came from? He was supposedly one of the pilots of the supposedly japanese midget submarines and as another member has pointed out,there are several versions of the story relating to his capture and following the war,he never talked much about it.Imo,he was surely one of the many japanese americans,hawaiians and americans who were tricked,coerced and forced into attacking pearl harbor and threatened with death and the death of their families if they didnt comply...

Originally posted by Cosmic911
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

Perhaps evidence is not the right word. Perhaps intention is not the right word either. However, any commander worth their own salt should have realized how unprepared and unorganized our Navy was at Pearl. Our state of readiness was laughable and should have been addressed to avoid an assault or attack on our Pacific forces. Unfortunate as well, not all intelligence and transmissions and movements have been fully declassified. It will be interesting to see what they reveal, if we ever get to seem them under FOIA.

...Admiral Kimmel nor General Short ever faced court martial. It is alleged this was to avoid disclosing information showing the U.S. had advanced knowledge of the attack. When asked, "Will historians know more later?", Kimmel replied, "' ... I'll tell you what I believe. I think that most of the incriminating records have been destroyed. ... I doubt if the truth will ever emerge.' ..." From Vice Admiral Libby, "I will go to my grave convinced that FDR ordered Pearl Harbor to let happen. He must have known."It is equally likely this was done to avoid disclosing the fact Japanese codes were being read, given there was a war on.

Pearl Harbor-Advanced Knowledge Conspiracy

How many times have we been fooled by propaganda like this?

I dont believe for a second that the japanese navy had any military or logistical intentions of sailing an entire naval fleet,along with 6 aircraft carriers,4,000 miles across the pacific ocean to attack one american navy harbor,especially not while they were simultaneously fighting in china, outer mongolia, burma, singapore, malaysia, thialand, new guinea and elsewhere...

Not one single american soldier,sailor or pilot made visual contact with the japanese fleet that was supposedly lurking in the area and sending in the attacking aircraft.But the two american aircraft carriers that conveniently just happened to not be in pearl harbor,were launching the attacking aircraft,imo...

The pearl harbor vengeance poster above,meant to amp up american rage and hate towards the japanese nation,could be used for the 911 attacks,just switch the exploding battleships shown in the poster with the twin towers collapsing and replace the fist waving american sailor with an american civilian in modern day attire...

Originally posted by blocula

I dont believe for a second that the japanese navy had any military or logistical intentions of sailing an entire naval fleet,along with 6 aircraft carriers,4,000 miles across the pacific ocean to attack one american navy harbor,especially not while they were simultaneously fighting in china, outer mongolia, burma, singapore, malaysia, thialand, new guinea and elsewhere...

Not one single american soldier,sailor or pilot made visual contact with the japanese fleet that was supposedly lurking in the area and sending in the attacking aircraft.But the two american aircraft carriers that conveniently just happened to not be in pearl harbor,were launching the attacking aircraft,imo...

The pearl harbor vengeance poster above,meant to amp up american rage and hate towards the japanese nation,could be used for the 911 attacks,just switch the exploding battleships shown in the poster with the twin towers collapsing and replace the fist waving american sailor with an american civilian in modern day attire...

edit on 13-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Yet again you make assumptions and yet again you utterly fail to back them with facts. In fact you've just actually disproved your own assumption. Can I ask you how two US carriers can have 6 Japanese carriers worth of planes on them? Have a think about that fact, because it destroys your own argument completely.
Then go away and read up about War Plan Orange. You know, do some actual research and learn some facts. Under War Plan Orange the US Pacific Fleet would have sortied out towards the Philippines and Guam. Destroying it before it could leave harbour therefore made perfect sense.

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by dashdespatch
reply to post by blocula

 

What about the 100% verified japanese pilot captured?

Kazuo Sakamaki is the "one" person that we are talking about here and he was kept under armed "american" guard and so how many people actually got to talk to him? How many people at the time were able to ask him where he really came from? He was supposedly one of the pilots of the supposedly japanese midget submarines and as another member has pointed out,there are several versions of the story relating to his capture and following the war,he never talked much about it.Imo,he was surely one of the many japanese americans,hawaiians and americans who were tricked,coerced and forced into attacking pearl harbor and threatened with death and the death of their families if they didnt comply...

Erm, except that he was actually in the Japanese Navy before Pearl Habour. Plus capture was seen as being deeply shameful by the dubious moral code that governed the Japanese armed forces, which is why he seldom talked about it. Oh and people in Japan who knew him wrote letters to him when he was a POW telling him to kill himself. So, again, no - you have nothing.

So lets summarize your position as as far I can best tell.

The United States wanting to get into war, decided to a false flag attack on its primary war making instrument and cripples its battle-line which at the time in the Navy was still viewed as the most important warship by secretly mass producing Japanese bombers and fighters and launching them from somewhere? Where did they launch from and how come we never heard any of the pilots step forward? Where did the carriers and fighter planes end up after the battle? Hell what factory where they built?

It gets even better the Japanese just coincidentally happened to have naval infantry units ready to land the next day on Philippines along with forces invading Hong Kong thus attacking the British Empire at the same time and decided to take credit for the attack up till this day till Blocua discovered the truth? Why didn't those Japanese soldiers who were hiding out in the bush till the Seventies tell the truth then if it was such an obvious lie?

The only evidence is that when people say no historical record suggests otherwise, they get treated to the question of "What if the powers that be changed it!!!!" as if that was an answer or they had proof that was the case.

I was going to post my usual vitriol-laced 2-line rant, but I am trying to mellow out so I'll just politely declare that I heartily disagree with the OP.

Much obliged.

Originally posted by ColAngus
I was going to post my usual vitriol-laced 2-line rant, but I am trying to mellow out so I'll just politely declare that I heartily disagree with the OP.

Much obliged.

Well said.

Originally posted by XelNaga
reply to post by nake13

 

they werent 'conveniently' found. they were always there, just deep within germany occupied territory. i really doubt fema just showed up and built concentration camps and filled them with starving, dying jews.

This needs to be said again, it's crazy to think otherwise.

mmmm..k, it's Friday night, tomorrow there won't be any provocative theories or conspiricies till about 1:00....lol

reply to post by Koffee
911 is our generations Pearl Harbor and both of those terrible events caused great material destruction and thousands of dead and wounded people and both of them were fabricated,staged and carried out by the american government against their own people.To ensure massive public support for tptb's war machine and to guarantee that billions of dollars would be maneuvered into the over flowing bank accounts of our lying political elites and powerful industrialists...

Back in the late 1930's and early 40's,naval analysts and military intelligence were already well aware that battleships would soon become an obsolete weapon of the past and thats one of the reasons why the battleships were allowed to be bombed.Another reason being they were easier and cheaper to salvage and rebuild than aircraft carriers were...

Those naval analysts and intelligence people back then were also well aware that aircraft carriers would survive into the future and thats one of the reasons why those carriers just happened to be missing from pearl harbor during the attack.Another reason being they were the ships that were launching the waves of attacking airplanes designed by americans to look japanese...

reply to post by blocula


Yes there was some people who believed in the superiority of the carrier (and were vindicated) but the battleship lobby was strong, which was why the lessons learned from the war-games were ignored or disupted. But I can't help but notice you completely avoided all the other points I brought. Do you have an answer to what ships or air bases these fighters and bombers were launched from for one?

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Koffee

 

911 is our generations Pearl Harbor and both of those terrible events caused great material destruction and thousands of dead and wounded people and both of them were fabricated,staged and carried out by the american government against their own people.To ensure massive public support for tptb's war machine and to guarantee that billions of dollars would be maneuvered into the over flowing bank accounts of our lying political elites and powerful industrialists...

Back in the late 1930's and early 40's,naval analysts and military intelligence were already well aware that battleships would soon become an obsolete weapon of the past and thats one of the reasons why the battleships were allowed to be bombed.Another reason being they were easier and cheaper to salvage and rebuild than aircraft carriers were...

Those naval analysts and intelligence people back then were also well aware that aircraft carriers would survive into the future and thats one of the reasons why those carriers just happened to be missing from pearl harbor during the attack.Another reason being they were the ships that were launching the waves of attacking airplanes designed by americans to look japanese...

edit on 13-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

You really do not understand how naval tactics work, even back then, do you?

Having been in the navy myself, I do. Let me explain something:

Back then, the question of Air Warfare had not been proven yet. Prior to WW2, naval task groups were made up of Battleship groups, because at that time, Battleships, had been proven to be quite effective, especially when it came to shore bombardment. At one time, England and the US were in a "weapons race" as to who could make the most battleships.
Now, it's called a "Task Group" for a reason. You do not have just the battleship. You have to have supporting ships to that battleship: Cruisers, Destroyers, Frigates, and Support ships (tenders). Each of these ships have a specific function in the task group, who's ultimate goal is to support the battleship.

Enter the Aircraft Carrier. As we get closer to WW2 it was becoming obvious that Air Warfare would gain superiority over the battleship. The US navy was starting to form Carrier Groups. Again, the supporting ships are needed for the Carrier Group. Indeed: without the supporting ships, the Aircraft Carrier is very defenseless!
Cruisers provide AAW (Anti-Air Warfare). So do some destroyers, but back then their main function was Anti-Submarine Warfare. Frigates provide Anti-Submarine Warfare. Tenders supply fuel, ammo, repairs and parts, and even hospital services.

Suggesting that our own military commanders planed a false flag for Pearl Harbor is hilarious. In order to wage war against Japan, the US knew that it would have to be done with naval forces intact. Solders on the ground would have to be transported by ships, protected by ships. Supporting bombardment, be it planes dropping bombs, or the shelling of land would have to be carried out by ships. The moving of all those supplies would have to be done by: wait for it..........US Naval Ships!

If Pearl Harbor had been a false flag event, then it was planed by the BIGGEST IDIOTS in existence! They could have instead attacked civilian targets (which would have outraged the American public even worse!). You do not attack your military assets in which you plan to wage war with.
You see, even though you are right as the Aircraft Carrier was taking center stage: the Battleship was still considered a VERY important weapon in war back then. We even built more during the war.

You keep comparing it to 911. If 911 was a false flag, then it was done right: civilian targets were attacked. NOT MILITARY TARGETS!

Even Hitler knew how to carry out a false flag. He took out a radio station. He didn't make it look like his military had been attacked.

reply to post by Koffee
We are told that nagumos massive fleet departed japanese waters in strictest secrecy.Of course,what else would we be told except,strictest secrecy?

The fleets route crossed the north pacific and avoided normal shipping lanes.Whats a normal shipping lane? do military ships usually use normal shipping lanes?

And that fleet,including 6 aircraft carriers,multitudes of other larger and smaller ships and 23 submarines,were supposedly able to sail totally undetected for 4,000 miles?!

One obvious reason they sailed undetected,is because the american long range ocean patrol airplanes were ordered grounded two days before the attack,of course and it would have been very hard for them to detect and visually sight a japanese fleet thats wasnt even there...

The real reason for those long range ocean patrol airplanes being grounded,was to ensure that the pilots of those airplanes wouldnt be able to see the american aircraft carriers enterprise and lexington launching the american built to look like japanese airplanes that attacked and bombed pearl harbor,imo...

The third american aircraft carrier saratoga,which also just happened to leave pearl harbor shortly before the attack,was supposedly being repaired on the american west coast...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Koffee

 

We are told that nagumos massive fleet departed japanese waters in strictest secrecy.Of course,what else would we be told except,strictest secrecy?

The fleets route crossed the north pacific and avoided normal shipping lanes.Whats a normal shipping lane? do military ships usually use normal shipping lanes?

And that fleet,including 6 aircraft carriers,multitudes of other larger and smaller ships and 23 submarines,were supposedly able to sail totally undetected for 4,000 miles?!

One obvious reason they sailed undetected,is because the american long range ocean patrol airplanes were ordered grounded two days before the attack,of course and it would have been very hard for them to detect and visually sight a japanese fleet thats wasnt even there...

The real reason for those long range ocean patrol airplanes being grounded,was to ensure that the pilots of those airplanes wouldnt be able to see the american aircraft carriers enterprise and lexington launching the american built to look like japanese airplanes that attacked and bombed pearl harbor,imo...

The third american aircraft carrier saratoga,which also just happened to leave pearl harbor shortly before the attack,was supposedly being repaired on the american west coast...

Oh, Blocula, dearie dearie me.
Please read "At Dawn We Slept", by Gordon Prange. This superb work goes into detail about the planning aspects of the attack and the attack itself. It's a massive book that has never been bettered. Prange interviewed hundeeds of people for it. Oddly enough he didn't find anything that suggested that the attack was a false flag attempt by the US Government, for the simple reason that it wasn't.
The northern route was actually, if you'd care to look at it, very carefully chosen. The Japanese fleet followed a storm front, making it hard to see and observed strict radio silence - in fact their radio operators were left in Japan where they sent a lot of fictitious messages to make it seem that the ships were still there in Japan.
Your claim about the long-range patrol planes is wrong. Admiral KImmel thought that the Philippines were under threat of attack, not Pearl Harbour. Besides IIRC he only had 49 planes, nowhere near enough to do a proper job.
About the Japanese fleet lacking the fuel - please do some basic research, this is just getting embarrassingly easy for me. They were fully fuelled, they had tankers, and some of the ships even had extra fuel drums on board.
By the way your claim about the USS Saratoga is 100% wrong. On December 7th, 1941 she was entering San Diego harbour, after having been dry-docked in Bremerton, Washington.
Now for some basic maths. Kido Butai had 6 aircraft carriers, which launched two waves of planes totalling 354 aircraft. USS Enterprise could carry 90 planes, and the older USS Lexington could carry 78. 90 + 78 = 168. Ergo, the two carriers could not carry enough planes to launch the attack.
There. Job done, theory tied up in a bow and waiting to be thrown into the rubbish bin.

reply to post by blocula

That's right. But they ( the warmongers) allowed the British to do the Job, since the British were about to lose their country to Hitler. The British desparately needed an ally like the Industrial USA to turn the Battle of Britain into the Battle into Germany. Most sailers had no idea of what British Airplane wing insignias look like ( but they look like red Japanese zero on a British bomber, from a distance) and the attack on Pearl Harbor was over before they had time to really look at the planes attacking them. So, it was the British that did it.

reply to post by eriktheawful
Deep behind the scenes,there really was no cold war.Just vast transfers of secret technology and megabucks between russia and the usa.While the common people of both countries were kept in a state of perpetual fear,continuously filled with hate and locked into a constant trance of paranoia. While billions and trillions of tax dollars were being relentlessly extorted from them,to justify their governments military expenditures for a cold war that didnt even exist and what did the supposedly evil country russia ever do to us? That supposed communist monster,who we were led to believe was always moments away from killing us all,for 45 long years.Nothing,absolutely nothing at all,thats what.Dont you see? Its all lies and deceptions... ...

I have read about 150 non fiction books about every aspect of world war two and i have watched around 200 documentaries about that war.My grandfather volunteered for world war two and he fought the nazis in france and germany from 1944 thru 1945 and he told me that all wars are fabricated,falsely justified and then carried out by lying governmnets,because theres too many mouths to feed and he said he was thinking exactly that,as his tank destroyer ran over a nazi land mine,was blown into the air and molten steel ripped into his legs...

I have read around twenty non fiction books about the korean war and i have watched about twice as many documentaries about it and not one of those books or documentaries ever mentioned one word about something i know that went on behind the scenes during the korean war.Things that have been intentionally supressed, purposefully hushed up and totally left out of the history books and will never be shown in any documentary...

My uncle fought in the korean war,he was there from about late 1951 until around early 1953 and about 40 years later he told me something himself.About how he and other american soldiers,dozens of times on a regular basis,would wait until darkness and then go to their army supply depots and steal guns,ammunition, food and other supplies,load them into army trucks and drive to wherever the so called enemies front lines happened to be at the time.Then they would flash prearranged signals with their truck headlights,wait for the return signal from the so called enemy and then drive across the front lines and into the so called enemy zone and then they would trade items with the so called enemy and sell their american guns,ammunition,food and other supplies to the so called enemy.While they all laughed,joked and got drunk together.That went on and on and was over seen by the company commanders of both sides...

And so the mainstream public doesnt know much about any war and we are told even less...

reply to post by blocula


Really ! No seriously ? I love outside of the box and the events 911 I bought the conspiracy immediatly. I will always believe the way I still do. This is so outside the box tho, it's also outside of the mind. To many points to argue back on the level of reality but you keep thinking like this just the same. SnF