Video of Blackwater Contractors Driving Over Iraqi Woman

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
Well not to defend anyone,but you should really think about what people are dealing with in Iraq.

Officials in Iraq say 33 people were killed when a suicide bomber detonated a car packed with explosives near a funeral procession in south-east Baghdad.

www.guardian.co.uk...

A suicide bomber rammed his explosive-laden vehicle into a police building in the southern Iraqi city of Basra on Monday, killing four people, officials said

www.cbc.ca...

BAGHDAD (AP) — A suicide truck driver detonated a ton of explosives near a police headquarters in the northern city of Mosul on Friday, killing five American soldiers in the deadliest attack against U.S. troops in more than a year.

www.usatoday.com...

I take it that some of you didn't notice the concern in the voices of the occupants in the vehicle that was filming this.It seems this person did not pay attention to the vehicles that were approaching where as everyone else around this person did.I say person because we do not know the gender of said person. Again I am not defending them but to say they ran this person over is a bit of a stretch.

Lastly their was an increase in women being used as suicide bombers...

Suicide attacks in Iraq are increasingly conducted by women, who can more easily pass through checkpoints without being searched. Typically clad conservatively from head to toe, women are rarely stopped and even more rarely subjected to body searches, because it is considered improper in Muslim culture for a male to scrutinize (much less pat down) a woman. Terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda in Iraq are now exploiting this fact to evade security measures.

www.usnews.com...

Again not defending just pointing out what these people have to deal with on a daily basis..

Counter propaganda?

Since when is running over human beings ok?

reply to post by Swills

As I've already stated, suicide bombers go for stationary targets, not moving vehicles driving fast down the crowded Iraqi highways. Please, provide an article where a suicide bomber walked into traffic and blew up US troops/contractors/Iraqi civilians.

How about a first hand eyewitness story? I witnessed a man strapped with explosives detonate the vehicle in front of mine on an Iraqi highway. Just saying, it does happen.

Now on to the contractors. As a former Marine I have absolutely no respect for contractors and what they do. They are loyal to nothing but a paycheck. There is no honor in what they do. Most of them are former military who have sold out for the money. I dealt with them on many occasions and what I mostly saw was arrogant thugs with no moral compasses. Now i'm not saying that they are all bad, this was just my experience with them. What happened in Fallujah in 2004 with the contractors was horrible.`I walked those streets and stood on the bridge they were hung from. It was a very erie place. In my opinion contractors do not belong in a war zone period. doesn't matter if the wars are justified or not. War should not be profitable to anyone. Anyway just my opinion.

reply to post by usmc0311


Black Water personal are not above the law period. These people deserve no protection under the war act's and should be held accountable for their actions. It is a shame when our government uses people like this to kill and spread fear and then give them a free ride ticket. This is no different then when that solider killed all those afgan people. You notice how he was held accountable?? So should black water. The US hired them and therefore should take responsibility for there actions.

As I've already stated, suicide bombers go for stationary targets, not moving vehicles driving fast down the crowded Iraqi highways. Please, provide an article where a suicide bomber walked into traffic and blew up US troops/contractors/Iraqi civilians. Yes, these men in a foreign land who are definitely targets does, they are under pressure (although they seem to be having a grand old time), but that doesn't give them the right to drive like maniacs, hit Iraqi civilians cars and their women. Being at "war" does not give private contractors the right to be above the law as they act like mad men.

Also, unless we all don't have our volume on, we did in fact hear the men in the 2nd video watch the woman get hit and remark on it. That said, for men who showed "compassion", that compassion ended when they drove on by her as she lay motionless

Ok...here's an article on exactly that....a suicide bomber that walked into a Security Convoy and blew it up....so I guess you can't use THAT argument anymore.....

Suicide Bomber Walks Into Convoy

“The bomber walked into the security convoy at Kangra village and detonated the explosives strapped to his body near the four-wheeler in which Sherpao was travelling.”

Eyewitnesses Naib Khan told The Express Tribune that when Sherpao’s convoy reached Kangra village, the bomber jumped from along the roadside and blew himself up near Sherpao’s vehicle.

And another...

the-eyeontheworld.blogspot.com...

"The suicide bomber walked in the security convoy and hit the vehicles," local police chief Nisar Khan Marwat told AFP

reply to post by Afterthought

If they're that scared of suicide bombers that they believe there is one on every street corner, they need to be taken out of servicce. They are not mentally fit and are unable to conduct themselves in a rational manner.

It isn't the fact of being scared it is the fact of actually coming home to see your loved ones and not in a body bag when doing so.I am not defending their actions,but what would you do when faced with that type of threat?

Suicide bombers aren't just men as I showed in my prior post. Again casting judgement without knowledge of the whole situation is premature.

Do we know if there was some type of security threat in that area which could be a reason they were driving that way?

Were they transporting someone important that would give them a reason to not stop? Again we do not know the whole story only what was shown.

Again I am not defending their actions, but I will not pass judgement without knowing the whole scenario involved with said video.

As people are defending running over a sister because she walked out into traffic, you do not understand how to cross a road. People are supposed to slow a bit when traffic is congested in order for people to manage their way across..

see the first 25 seconds of this video, I hope it helps people understand why she started walking across the street even though there were vehicles....

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reply to post by Swills



The guy in the video is correct. Those Blackwater guys are just thugs! They don't care about the Iraqi people.

And what he said about AK-47's being fired at the start? What firing. There was none. Blackwater thugs are just cowards. Just like the cowards who murdered 1.6 million innocent Iraqi Men, Women and Children in the name of lies to steal Iraqi resources!

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


This is war....This is what these men and women signed up for. Saying them being scared and wanting to come home to their family is a total cop out. Sending a person into something they signed up for and then using the stress of the job to justify their actions is total BS.

It's like hiring a guy at Mc Donalds to work the fry machine but he had a friend that a fry machine blew up on so in fear and the want to be with his family he chooses not to run the fry machine. I'm pretty sure he would be held accountable and get fired.

Now I know this is a strange analogy but you see my point. These people joined the Black Water knowing they would be going to a warzone. Now that war is here you can't use it as an excuse to not hold people responsible for their actions. Not to mention the Black Water people get paid an average of $90,000 tax free for about 8 months of work. Now if the poor US solider who gets paid a fraction of that doesn't act this way, what is Black Water excuse. You can't tell me they are distraught over pay. And FEAR....well that was in the job description.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Southtown POD is the music
and might I say exceptional
choice, I love POD.

First video
They did not run anyone over
they acidently hit a car that
was blocking the road!
Blatant propaganda

Iraqis arent stupid and neither are we. There is no doubt that they are shooting civilians, running them over, controlling their lives and city like a gang of thugs with military hardware.

There is a good reason why some of these troops are not welcomed when they return from service. Many of them were disgusting, psychopathic murderers that killed children, raped them and their families, only to return to their own.

Well you may throw your rock and hide your hand
Workin' in the dark against your fellow man
But as sure as God made black and white
What's done in the dark will be brought to the light

You can run on for a long time
Run on for a long time
Run on for a long time
Sooner or later God'll cut you down
Sooner or later God'll cut you down

reply to post by Jameela

As people are defending running over a sister because she walked out into traffic, you do not understand how to cross a road. People are supposed to slow a bit when traffic is congested in order for people to manage their way across..

Only problem with that argument is that the traffic was not congested on that side of the road which you can see in the second video from the OP. Just as common sense you do not walk into the road as vehicles are approaching at a high speed no matter who is right. The vehicle always wins. There is a difference in your video and the OP video.

I am not defending their actions but there is some fault that can be placed on both sides. Remember this is Iraq not the United States where we do have traffic laws. And even where I live in Ga. I see people walk into the street in front of cars all the time even when the car has the right of way, it really is rediculous.

reply to post by GuidedKill


This is true, they signed up. What the anchorman said also true, these mercenaries should not be in a war zone, and they should not be representing a sovereign power. You can only hope that the legit armed services played their role with integrity. I note the damage limitation squad here, made it by the first page, talking utter horlicks of course..

reply to post by GuidedKill


You show me one person that signs up for a private contracting job so they can run over and kill civilians then you have a good argument. Most of these people are ex military that enjoy the adrenaline and there are a few that have different ideas about what they want to do there, but to say all of them are that way is just down right absurd.

You obviously didn't see the part where I said I was not defending their actions,but I will not pass judgement on that video alone as I do not have the whole story and neither does anyone else posting in this forum, because all we have is the OP video to go on.

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Jameela

 

As people are defending running over a sister because she walked out into traffic, you do not understand how to cross a road. People are supposed to slow a bit when traffic is congested in order for people to manage their way across..

Only problem with that argument is that the traffic was not congested on that side of the road which you can see in the second video from the OP. Just as common sense you do not walk into the road as vehicles are approaching at a high speed no matter who is right. The vehicle always wins. There is a difference in your video and the OP video.

I am not defending their actions but there is some fault that can be placed on both sides. Remember this is Iraq not the United States where we do have traffic laws. And even where I live in Ga. I see people walk into the street in front of cars all the time even when the car has the right of way, it really is rediculous.

I know it is Iraq, notice all the cross walks there? It is why people cross and are supposed to feel reasonably secure that drivers will slow a bit.

Also, did you notice that when she started out the vehicle was toward the other side of the road, they veered into her....

When you leave your country for another, you are representing your country in the new country.

No excuses.

reply to post by usmc0311

As a former Marine I have absolutely no respect for contractors and what they do. They are loyal to nothing but a paycheck. There is no honor in what they do. Most of them are former military who have sold out for the money. I dealt with them on many occasions and what I mostly saw was arrogant thugs with no moral compasses. Now i'm not saying that they are all bad, this was just my experience with them.

Thank you for this, and this is my impression as well. This is the kind of 'freedom' others may hate about us.
There has been many issues with Blackwater including fraud, rape, electrocuting showers, tainted food, murder etc...
Hell I just Googled Blackwater accused, blamed and convicted and a whole plethora of stuff came up.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


I really don't have to show a video. I was recruited pretty heavy by friends in Black Water several years back. They told me all I needed to know about what happens over there. To hear them say it I could do what ever I wanted and there would be no repercussions. Plus I would get PAID big money to basically hang with my boys and blast a few Iraqi's. At least that't how they explained it to me. I was tempted to go with Black Water just for the money but ended up working with another company who does infrastructure and I feel a lot better about myself for it.

I know you said you do not condone whats in the video but lack of outrage is just as bad as letting it happen. If no one holds these people accountable then we are all to blame.

Case in point....listen to the first few seconds. The guys says they are on the run 800 meters away and this guy still continues to shoot people retreating......where is the honor in that?

I should change that to shoot at people because it appears to be 5.56 and 800 meters is just about out of the range of that weapon. 600M is about the working max for an 5.56 NATO round.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h

It isn't the fact of being scared it is the fact of actually coming home to see your loved ones and not in a body bag when doing so.I am not defending their actions,but what would you do when faced with that type of threat?

Suicide bombers aren't just men as I showed in my prior post. Again casting judgement without knowledge of the whole situation is premature.

Please revisit my post. I'm not arguing the fact that there are female suicide bombers.

Where does it state in the military code that it's OK to place others in a body bag as long as you're not getting placed in one?

I will not defend their actions in the least. I think these men are an embarrassment. You stated that they may have been transporting someone important. Whoop dee do! That's certainly no reason to be acting like immature teenagers either. I hardly doubt that they had any good reason for the things they did. When you sign up for the military or as a contractor, you know you're placing your life in danger. This does not mean that you can simply take out innocents because you want to see your family again. I'm sure the woman who was clipped by the SUV had family, too.

Like I stated earlier, I think everyone's opinions will change once FEMA and Blackwater are on American soil doing these atrocious things.

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by Swills
No, you are clearly defending them in the guise of calling this propaganda. You are assuming a woman crossing the street is a suicide bomber so with your assumption its okay to run her over and to continue without stopping to check on her welfare, you know doing the right thing because you ran her over. You reasoning is the same said propaganda reasoning used time and time during times of conflict, "its war and things happen". No wonder "terrorists" want to kill US troops/contractors if they act like this. Well, hopefully the US troops don't because they actually have to be professional and have consequences to face unlike these contractors.

Stop the road side, and suicide bombings
and I think things would be different.
They don't show the suv's getting blown
up by someone who looks to be a women
which could just be a man in a burqa with a suicide
bomb blowing up innocent people do they?

I really hope you don't carry. All the world needs is another buffoon "standing his ground", ie., overreacting because he's really a big scaredy cat.

Just disgusting... both videos.

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest though, sadly.

Some people over there literally use it as their sick playground to torture, abuse and kill people.


I think you have to be kind of wrong in the head to want to go... I know there are plenty of decent soldiers... but there are far, far too many like these idiots.


Scum of the earth.