Explain to us why the Occupy movement is such a bad thing

Have seen many threads where the Occupy movement are ridiculed, etc. So what I'm asking for is a post by some of you that oppose it that shows us why they're such a bad thing.

I personally think many of you are so comfy in your own bubbles that the thought of them bringing freedom to various countries in the world scares you, basically because none of us know what true freedom really is. You know there'll be some upheaval, but personally I think it'll be for the best.

I've heard of Soros, etc, backing these groups, but he can't control them if they turn into a massive movement, which it looks like they are doing now.

So please, in simple terms, let us know what your problems with them are and link any evidence that helps to show how what they're doing is bad for everyone.

OWS isn't a problem or a bad thing by nature. It really isn't. I wouldn't have lived in a camp myself as a volunteer to the cause during the fall if it were an idea with no good place.

It's not OWS that is bad...in my view. It's the approach and impatience of tactics. OWS seems to be trying to recapture the energy and magic of whatever special something made "flower power" work in the 60's...for lack of a better term. In my view, thats a great idea to play with and they have been....with some real success as well as total failure.

The problem I really see as the core below all others is that the 1960's hippies were laid back and had all the time in the Universe for things to happen. I mean there wasn't the feeling of urgent activity to "do something" even when nothing GOOD presents itself. By contrast, Occupy has a collective case of ADHD and it's killing the whole thing. Change took over 50 years to bring us to this edge of the abyss...and Occupy is ramping up their tactics like they've been at this for 10 years and getting nowhere. Well... Geeze... It's been far less than 1 year...and really, only a few months when the Winter Break is factored in.

If they relax... Slow the hell down...and stop trying to make progress by pure fury in the people around them. they may do very well. It may even be a movement I'd want to be a part of again someday.

They just need to pick it. They want a protest movement for serious change or they want the core of an unrest movement to bring collapse and revolution. The goals are mutually exclusive and the focus now seems to change from Occupy group to Occupy group. Not the best way to bring major changes.

It's because you're posting on a conservative dominated website.

Originally posted by muse7
It's because you're posting on a conservative dominated website.

Hahaha! No idea if that's the case or not, but it sure looks like some people around here are really fearing change.

There's nothing wrong with it. It's a peaceful protest.

The only problems come when a group of people block or interfere in the commerce/commute of other individuals who don't feel the desire to participate in the protest.

Nothing is wrong with it. We need a catalyst and I will take that catalyst in whatever form it may come.

At least they're doing something while the so-called "freedom fighters" and "militias" who I can more identify with are sitting at home playing tiddlewinks.

Occupy was planned and put into place , a few get the ball rolling then what do you know , most of the country is sitting in the streets doing absolutley nothing .... look , facepaint and group talks , will not change the problem.

When we`re talking about greedy , selfish people , who murder innocent people in cold blood for profit ......... sitting in the street screaming ......"here we are".......... is NOT a good idea.

T.P.T.B need a situation , something big enough for them to get their troops on the streets , just like in the middle east , Occupy is part of it , it`s a failed NWO tactic. Who started it ? what`s their background ? ever thought about looking into this ?

Look at London last year , a message went to everyone with a Blackberry telling them to go out and loot ............. who sent the messages ? no one knew , did it stop them ? no , why ? because people are too gullable due to the constant brainwashing.

Occupy is foolish , and if anything , is holding us back. They dont know what they want ...... but they still want to keep their material lifestyle ..... ...... where do they think the problem started ? Bush ? *chuckle*

I can never put my finger on why they say the protesting started in America

Explain to us why the Occupy movement is such a bad thing

Because anything having to do with fighting with one another in the street is doomed to failure.

Because the ethos that drives OWS is just as manufactured as our consent for war.

Because the people that respond to that particular type of stimulation and respond to it by rushing in to the streets have been taught to react that way.

And because it entirely lacks creativity.

Why do you think Noam Chomsky has that look on his face?

Thanks for the opportunity to voice my opinion, RH.



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reply to post by RockLobster

Occupy is foolish , and if anything , is holding us back

I would be interested to know what it's holding us back from ?

reply to post by robhines


I was going to give a thoughtful and articulate answer to your question, until I read that you think that the occupy movement's goal is to bring freedom. Freedom? This movement is being ran, supported, orchestrated and manipulated by some of the most communistic, collectivist socialists in the country and you think the end result of the movement is freedom?? You clearly have no logical or rational understanding of the concept of freedom. The answer to your question was written in 1850 by Frederic Bastiat... it is titled "The Law". I suggest that you read it.

I have no problem with people getting out and protesting, I think its good and I've done it many times. I just think that, while I support the OWS movement, I really think its going nowhere. Protest doesn't do much unfortunately. There is that famous quote, cant remember who said it, "let them protest just so long as they pay their taxes"...

If people spent as much time, energy and focus as they do with the Occupy movement, just in their block of community they live in, doing things like getting to know neighbours, who is skilled and with that?, who needs help, who can help, can we grow food and if so where, set up a barter/trade system, etc, so that we are helping ourselves and those closest around us WHEN the economy collapses I feel is a better use of time and resources.

Originally posted by imherejusttoread
There's nothing wrong with it. It's a peaceful protest.

The only problems come when a group of people block or interfere in the commerce/commute of other individuals who don't feel the desire to participate in the protest.

It's peaceful... except for the rapes, sexual assaults, and public defacation. But other than that it's all good.

If they were protesting the corrupt federal government instead of corporations, then they'd be, while maybe not a good thing, a better thing. But protesting a fire because it burned you is childish and ridiculous.

"I signed a contract that said I had to pay back my loan, but I couldn't and now I'm going to whine that it's unjust!" That's entitlement mindset for you.

I do find it absolutely delicious that OWS protests evil corporations while at the same time fully supporting Obama and his Affordable Care Act, which was designed for lining corporate pockets with gold and silver.

/TOA

Originally posted by Xoanon
Why do you think Noam Chomsky has that look on his face?

Not sure if you saw my tumblr and the clip I had there, but will put it here for those that haven't seen it.



And thanks to everyone so far, hopefully this thread will address some real issues that are being taken up with some of the Occupy movement in various ways, and if they are important issues and aren't being addressed, here's hoping that changes asap.

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
It's peaceful... except for the rapes, sexual assaults, and public defacation. But other than that it's all good.

Although I don't personally have anything invested in the movement, I have met wonderful people involved in it, Judging everyone because of the vandalism of a few is bad reasoning.

Maybe you're new, but ATS isn't a conservative site. The last round of ATS sponsored polls that rolled through cleared that up.

As mentioned if Occupy was setup outside the White House or Congress/Senate protesting I'd be all for it. Protesting Wall Street? It just doesn't make sense and had the appearance of children whining for govt entitlements.

Originally posted by imherejusttoread

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
It's peaceful... except for the rapes, sexual assaults, and public defacation. But other than that it's all good.

Although I don't personally have anything invested in the movement, I have met wonderful people involved in it, Judging everyone because of the vandalism of a few is bad reasoning.

I'm not at all... but there was none of that at any Tea Party rally... and for the record I don't drink tea, but there is a clear difference in the two sides. I'm sure there are a lot of great people there, but the fact that they are even there in the first place speaks to their ignorance and that makes them dangerous, and it also makes them the enemy of individual liberty, and that makes them my enemy.

I got a bit iffy about it when i realized the source of the protest. Adbusters.com, which is a canadian anti-capitalist magazine owned by tides, was heavily funded by George Soros.

I cannot in good conscience be apart of an anti-capitalist movement. We're already falling into tyranny and people seem to be rallying for communism which is one of the roots of totalitarianism. In a communist state we might not even have the few rights we civil liberties guys are trying so hard to keep.

At least now they have to pretend we have rights and we have a constitution defending those rights, but they can do whatever they want if we trash the document completely, which is what a switch to communism would do.

I think OWS might possibly be a ploy for a communist coup, but thats only my opinion.

I watch the Max Keiser show on RT, The Keiser Report (highly recommended)

2 guests that have been on are Steve Keen and Bill Black, both have intimated that they are working with OWS

If these 2 men develope & endorse any future Occupy message I'll be supporting it

Max Keiser - Financial War Reports

Steve Keen's Debtwatch
(his thoughts on a debt jubilee are interesting)

ETA
I'm not aware of a BIll Black website or blog

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by robhines

 

I was going to give a thoughtful and articulate answer to your question, until I read that you think that the occupy movement's goal is to bring freedom. Freedom? This movement is being ran, supported, orchestrated and manipulated by some of the most communistic, collectivist socialists in the country and you think the end result of the movement is freedom?? You clearly have no logical or rational understanding of the concept of freedom. The answer to your question was written in 1850 by Frederic Bastiat... it is titled "The Law". I suggest that you read it.

Ok, maybe I should've said more freedom? But as far as I know one of their goals is freedom from corporate control and manipulation of governments. So why not give that thoughtful and articulate answer you were planning on writing out for the benefit of the rest of the people reading the thread, if not for me?

I'm just trying to help and would be interested in your take on it.

I'm all for the Occupy movement bringing a big change, but along with many others I'm getting increasingly unsure of how they're going to bring it about. With this thread I'm hoping that others as well as myself can get a better idea of what those problems are.