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Originally posted by MrWendal
This is what happens when you are an inmate. It has NEVER mattered what you are charged with, if you are an Inmate and you are going to be housed in a jail, you are ALWAYS stripped searched before you enter the jail. They even do it to juveniles and they always have. If you go outside the jail for any reason, you are stripped searched before going back in. If you go to court, you are stripped searched before you go back into jail. If you are moved from one jail to another, you are stripped searched before you go into the new jail. This ruling applies to INMATES. Being arrested and being an inmate are 2 different things.
People have to understand there are several different process to go through once you are arrested.
iv'e been to court and prison and wasn't strip searched, seems to me you're talking out of your bung hole.
deny ignorance eh.
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by LittleBlackEagle
iv'e been to court and prison and wasn't strip searched, seems to me you're talking out of your bung hole.
deny ignorance eh.
Read the ruling. It gives those who are responsible for the safety of inmates and detainees the latitude to conduct strip searches. It does not require them.
The solution is simple, don't put minor offenses in with the other prison populations, if they are truley worried about safey.
Originally posted by HandyDandy
Originally posted by MrWendal
When you are stopped at a traffic stop, you are not an inmate.
If they decide to "detain" you for any trumped up reason, then you will definately become one.
So yes, going from traffic stop to inmate can easily happen.......just ask Mr. Florence.
Originally posted by LittleBlackEagle
Originally posted by MrWendal
This is what happens when you are an inmate. It has NEVER mattered what you are charged with, if you are an Inmate and you are going to be housed in a jail, you are ALWAYS stripped searched before you enter the jail. They even do it to juveniles and they always have. If you go outside the jail for any reason, you are stripped searched before going back in. If you go to court, you are stripped searched before you go back into jail. If you are moved from one jail to another, you are stripped searched before you go into the new jail. This ruling applies to INMATES. Being arrested and being an inmate are 2 different things.
People have to understand there are several different process to go through once you are arrested.
iv'e been to court and prison and wasn't strip searched, seems to me you're talking out of your bung hole.
deny ignorance eh.
Originally posted by hooper
If you are sitting locked in a cell with a person would it not be nice to know that at least someone checked the other person for weapons?
Checking a person for weapons and contraband is one thing. A strip search is another. They do NOT have to be the same thing.
You guys are acting like if someone is not strip searched, then they were not even searched at all. Which is the biggest, stupidest, train of thought I have ever heard.
Why aren't you guys lobbying to be strip searched to get on a plane? After all, that's where this 9/11 terrorist did his damage......not in a jail or a holding cell.
Originally posted by hooper
Just noting that it is the safest course when you are dealing with a portion of the population for which there was reasonable cause to be detained for violation of the law - not the public at large.
Originally posted by HandyDandy
Originally posted by hooper
If you are sitting locked in a cell with a person would it not be nice to know that at least someone checked the other person for weapons?
Checking a person for weapons and contraband is one thing. A strip search is another. They do NOT have to be the same thing.
You guys are acting like if someone is not strip searched, then they were not even searched at all. Which is the biggest, stupidest, train of thought I have ever heard.
Why aren't you guys lobbying to be strip searched to get on a plane? After all, that's where this 9/11 terrorist did his damage......not in a jail or a holding cell.
Originally posted by MrWendal
We are talking about Inmates.
No one is saying that at all. As a "detainee", you will not be stripped searched. As an "Inmate" you will be. There are two completely different statuses. This is the point you seem to keep missing.
A person getting on a plane is not an "inmate".
Originally posted by HandyDandy
No. We are talking about the traffic stop of a 9/11 terrorist.
Two mutually exclusive things.]/quote]
No we are not. Now your just playing with words. One Justice made mention of a 9/11 terrorist being pulled over, the actual ruling is very clear in using the word "inmate".
And the point you keep missing is that at no point was this terrorist a "detainee" nor an "inmate". So this whole diatribe about detainees vs. inmates is moot.......which I brought up 2 pages ago.
What "terrorist" would you be talking about? The man to whom this entire case is about, was an inmate. He was held in 2 different facilities over a period of 6 days.
Nor is a 9/11 terrorist being stopped for a traffic violation.
I'm just pointing out the absurdity of using the traffic stop of a 9/11 terrorist as justification for the need for inmates to be strip searched. I do agree with the need to search inmates.
Well actually this is where you and I are in agreement. Bringing up a 9/11 terrorist being pulled over was a pointless comparison to make.edit on 8-4-2012 by MrWendal because: (no reason given)