America’s Cold Civil War

I see it for sure. I also speculate the elite may well be trying to play both sides of the field, even down to Ron Paul's candidacy. Here's what I think about the mess, though, as far as whether things can change for the better peacefully:

This nation took a major downturn towards centralized federal government after the first civil war. Since then, we have spent almost two centuries slowly having the principals of our constitution overturned. Two centuries... that's how long it took us to get where we are peacefully since then, and I suggest it will take that almost that to get back to the start... peacefully... but hey, that's just my outlook, which leads to the question, do we really have that long before the "point of no return," so to speak?

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by beezzer

 

Consider this...if there was a large scale attack it could cause  economic collapse. We could see banks closed, 50+% unemployment, desperation, food shortages, gas shortages, violence, looting, etc because our supply chains are strained. We'd quickly have a Martial Law situation. 

I don't know why you think they need 20million people to pull it off. All they need to do is declare it, stop providing vital services, and then stand back and watch everything crumble. 

They could take us down with less than 100 people and a couple billion dollars for the nukes, scuds and freighters. Easy Peasy.

reply to post by seabag
Good point. I have a tendancy to imgine everyone is as well prepared as me and mine.

Map of Agenda 21


As you can see, they plan to depopulate vast areas of the US.

reply to post by DarthMuerte
They have no idea that it is a massive "fail" on their part, do they?

If you put yourself in their shoes for a minute and look at it, you see that it makes a lot of sense. It is easier to control a population that is contained in a small area. A population that cannot feed or otherwise provide for itself. A population tagged and tracked and spied upon even in their own living quarters. It is a diabolical plan, but if you put on their evil for a moment and consider their goals it makes a demonic kind of sense.

The Bill of Rights are being rendered null and void, yet to overturn the legislation, the rest of the constitution is being held against us in diminishing any time-efficient change towards the better. Just how quickly can we really count on peaceful change of the corruption established, as opposed to destroying to completely rebuild... I'm not for jumping to violence, mind you. Negotiations for changing status quo are generally through three options:

1)Persuasion
2)Compromise
3) Force/Violence

I believe they should be handled in that exact order, but I also see the distinct possibility of the elite turning to violence if either of the first two aren't going in their favor.

Originally posted by jlm912
The Bill of Rights are being rendered null and void, yet to overturn the legislation, the rest of the constitution is being held against us in diminishing any time-efficient change towards the better. Just how quickly can we really count on peaceful change of the corruption established, as opposed to destroying to completely rebuild... I'm not for jumping to violence, mind you. Negotiations for changing status quo are generally through three options:

1)Persuasion
2)Compromise
3) Force/Violence

I believe they should be handled in that exact order, but I also see the distinct possibility of the elite turning to violence if either of the first two aren't going in their favor.

Persuasion has failed. They knew that the public opposed O care, for example, yet they rammed it through anyway.

Compromise? Compromise with EVIL? Compromise has led us down this primrose path where we are now a hairs breadth from totalitarianism and slavery.

Let's come out and speak the truth. If we do not stand up now, we will be forced to kneel as will our children and their children for a long time to come.

reply to post by DarthMuerte
So a modern-day feudalism?

Plausable.

But they better beware of the repercussions.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

So a modern-day feudalism?

Plausable.

But they better beware of the repercussions.

Repercussions for whom? Only those serfs who survive the culling will feel the repercussions.

reply to post by DarthMuerte

The spirit of freedom would take alot more than a culling to surpress.

Just sayin'

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

The spirit of freedom would take alot more than a culling to surpress.

Just sayin'

No, it won't. Mussolini was correct when he said that many were tired of freedom. You see, freedom requires personal responsibility as a prerequisite. The majority prefer the life of a slave where they do not have to make decisions or suffer for those poor decisions they do make.

A couple things I have noticed in here and I agree with.

There is a deliberate effort to divide the masses. (Oldest trick in warfare - divide and conquer) They are dividing us socially, economically, racially and sexually. I see it every time I whizz past the MSM "Lame stream media" and pause to see what spew they are farting out...Fox, MSNBC, CNN...pick your propaganda...none of them tell tales of unification...only wielding wedges and hammers.

It's hard to make the average person come to grips that they are intentionally being manipulated...sometimes the mouth on television is actually speaking truths...but they twist it and bend it to generate a predictable response. I have been reading and studying this little nugget about our media and our government and it is an ugly little secret. The Big corporations own these MSM companies...and most of your representatives are indebted to them for one reason or another. The Big Corporations tell the MSM what they are going to broadcast as news and what they are not going to mention.

Real and fair and true journalism and news died years ago...what we have now is an abomination of mind crimes...intentionally manipulating peoples passions and fears toward a targeted goal or emotion....and if we had "real" representatives...they would stop it....(remember when it was law to have truth in advertising?...long gone).

We as a people have forgotten so much about who we are, where we came from and why. We have gotten so polluted with half truths and misinformation...we really don't know what we want or where we want to go...much less how to get there. We have forgotten that Freedom and Liberty and the right to self govern is why we tossed tea overboard ages ago....we used to not like being told what to do.

I am...at my core...a freedom loving person...I consider myself a social libertarian because I want there to be a safety net of help for the weak, elderly, infirm and the downtrodden, so I'll pay some taxes for that. I want our national border defenses to be strong...I'll pay some taxes for that to...but I don't want to pay for a Gestapo enforcement squad...nor do I like seeing so much money getting hosed away in a gluttonous fat bureaucracy that wastes more money than it puts to good use...it makes me agitated.

I want big freedom and small government. I expect them to defend our borders and take care of our roads...and I expect them to let the states take care of the criminal and social issues and assistance to those that need it. That is why we chose to have states...to decentralize "big"govt....what a loss it has been since they have had their teeth pulled and their arms tied behind their back.

I could go on and on...I think a part of our problem is allowing the Fed Gov to strip power from the states...this is not how it was supposed to be...but that is only a small part of the problems we are staring at...

reply to post by DarthMuerte


Poppycock, friend. I stand beside you in your purpose, but look to history for this lesson:

Ft. Sumter is sworn to be where the Civil War began. Bologna. The Confederacy fired upon the fort as a means of persuasion to scare the Union into leaving. No casualties were inflicted besides a Union artillery accident sounding retreat, yet it gave the Union the excuse to invade Manassas and actually inflict death. The south should have stayed steadfast in their means of blockading the Union resources and they would have left, but they got impatient. Let's not repeat the mistakes of our ancestral brothers. If we wait till they strike, I believe we'll have the upper hand in international light, and vice-versa. We'd need the support, amigo.

Originally posted by Damrod


I am...at my core...a freedom loving person...I consider myself a social libertarian because I want there to be a safety net of help for the weak, elderly, infirm and the downtrodden, so I'll pay some taxes for that. I want our national border defenses to be strong...I'll pay some taxes for that to...but I don't want to pay for a Gestapo enforcement squad...nor do I like seeing so much money getting hosed away in a gluttonous fat bureaucracy that wastes more money than it puts to good use...it makes me agitated.

The safety net should be the responsibility of the church, the family and the LOCAL community. The government should not be involved in stealing the fruits of one person's labor to give to another. You choose to give your money, that is fine. When YOU choose to give MINE, freedom dies.

Originally posted by DamrodI want big freedom and small government. I expect them to defend our borders and take care of our roads...and I expect them to let the states take care of the criminal and social issues and assistance to those that need it. That is why we chose to have states...to decentralize "big"govt....what a loss it has been since they have had their teeth pulled and their arms tied behind their back.

If you could excise this:

assistance to those that need it.

and recognize that this is not a function of the state, we could be in agreement. People should help those who NEED it, they should not be compelled by force of arms to do so.

Originally posted by DamrodI could go on and on...I think a part of our problem is allowing the Fed Gov to strip power from the states...this is not how it was supposed to be...but that is only a small part of the problems we are staring at...

I absolutely agree here, b ut another problem is when others decide that they know better than I how to distribute the fruits of my labors.

Civil War 2 will be neither North / South nor East / West.

It will be Rich / Poor.

reply to post by babybunnies


Label it as you prefer, but I'm positive there are hardcore patriots that happen to be rich. It'll be more like Progressives v. Traditional Patriots if you must have a label. The rich/poor agenda is a plot of divide and conquer to steer us away from the real achievement of success.

Originally posted by jlm912
reply to post by babybunnies

 

Label it as you prefer, but I'm positive there are hardcore patriots that happen to be rich. It'll be more like Progressives v. Traditional Patriots if you must have a label. The rich/poor agenda is a plot of divide and conquer to steer us away from the real achievement of success.

Agreed. Liberals/progressives/communists/socialists versus lovers of liberty.

Id love to think it possible but something tells me that the strongest most arrogant and well funded (not to mention morally bankrupt) military in the world isnt going to just stand down and say 'ya know what, I think youre right, I dont feel like bombing brown people anymore.'