'OJ is innocent': Private investigator claims Simpson's SON Jason is guilty.

Originally posted by MrWendal

I would have to go back and look at the time line and all the details from this case, but I do remember the testimony from the trial. I had a night job back then and every day I would sit at home all day watching this trial from beginning to end. The testimony of Kato is that he and OJ left to get some food. Then you have the time line of this theory which would indicate that perhaps OJ went over to Nicole's, found the bodies and took off. I think the most interesting witness for this theory is the lady mentioned in the video who claims to have seen OJ driving and almost running her over.

Yes, OJ and Kato went to McDonald's and Kato says he last saw O.J. at 9:54 p.m. Reports I read said that O.J.'s cell phone was tracked at 10:03 pm from inside the Bronco. Not sure how they would know that the call was coming from the Bronco, unless it was the type of cell phone that was installed into the vehicle back then.

Now that is a great question. This question alone makes me want to go back and read the transcripts from that trial.

Someone must have a receipt to know that he purchased the fake beard and mustache on May 27th. Plus, his maid said that she saw it laying on his desk one week before the murders. The fake beard and mustache were never entered in as evidence during the trial because it would have allowed for some audio tapes to be entered in too. Apparently, the prosecution didn't want the audio tapes entered into evidence thinking that it would make people sympathize with O.J. over how much he loved Nicole.

I dont think anyone has suggest that Jason was stalking her, but there is a mention that Nicole thinks she saw someone peeping in her window that looked like Jason. In any event, I dont have an answer for that question, but I do recall reading something a while back about this theory that does address it all in more detail. I might have to look for it.

I can't imagine why Jason would be peeping in Nicole's windows unless O.J. was using Jason to do his dirty work for him.

I have never heard this before. Is there any source for this info or could you point me in what direction I can go to find it?

Following Simpson’s arrest, Grier had been a regular visitor at the Los Angeles County Jail. A giant, African-American former NFL defensive lineman, Grier had become an ordained minister. On November 13th, 1994, a Sunday afternoon at about 4:30 p.m., he and Simpson were talking by telephone, separated by a glass partition. A deputy called Jeff Stuart was sitting close by and heard Simpson yell, and slam down his telephone, shouting: “I didn’t mean to do it. I’m sorry.” Grier leaned forward and yelled back: “O.J., you gotta come clean. You gotta tell somebody!”

www.trutv.com...

That is a big leap to make with such limited information. OJ obviously beat Nicole but I can not recall anything to such an extreme in comparison to Jason pinning down his girlfriend and slashing her off.

You would have to have watched all of the O.P.'s videos and read all of the testimony regarding O.J.'s abuse of Nicole to realize that he was "crazed" and had a "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" personality, just as Jason described himself while drinking. Nicole made many comments about this type of personality coming out of O.J. when he was drinking too. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree and there isn't one thing I've read about Jason's mental state that didn't appear identical to O.J.'s with the exception that O.J. didn't try to kill himself three times. I think O.J. is too big of a narcissist to ever kill himself anyway.

reply to post by greeneyedleo


Hey greeneye... did you get to watch the time leading up to and the trail in real time?

I would guess that F.Lee Bailey's 20,000 word article on the matter was discussed at some time.
He discusses evidence that was never used at the trial.

reply to post by silo13


I always had my suspecions about OJ's eldest son from day one. I know OJ was violent but a murderer - no way, I don't think he has it in him to be quite honest.

Originally posted by coloradokat
Very simply to the people who think that O.J. is guilty - the glove didn't fit!

Of course it's not gonna fit.

The blood on the gloves made them shrink and were dried up.

Now you go buy a pair of latex gloves and try to put a pair of dried up leather gloves over them

I bet you can't.

reply to post by OhZone


Apparently, F. Lee Bailey's "evidence" didn't amount to much because it wasn't presented in the civil trial either, according to Gloria Allred.

duh

reply to post by BASSPLYR

I remember this case and in the beginning there was a lot of theories that O.J. 's son had something to do with it, I agree with you about other persons being the perpetrator, when I saw the crime scene pictures back at the time I wondered what person could do this alone and executed with no real problems? and in that amount of time and leave them piled on top of each other both looking as though they had been in some sort of completely overpowering struggle and throats slit like they were and OJ only have a couple of busted knuckles at most, I dunno but it never settled with me that O.J. himself did it with his post NFL golfing body and bad back and other documented injuries, I believe he was aware of the crime in advance somehow but I do believe someone else had a hand in the murders to make sure both could assuredly be killed with no chance the perpetrator could be overpowered or somehow not kill them both if something went wrong, ,escaped etc, it had to be a sure thing, I have to think it was either a professional hit or someone assisting in the crime.

IF true -- and it's a big if -- then OJ, although acquitted of the murders themselves, is entitled to a reversal of his wrongful death judgment for the Goldman family and entitled to a new and lighter sentence (possibly even a new trial) for the Las Vegas armed robbery case because the widespread attitude that he had gotten away with murder undoubtedly contributed to his conviction and to the severity of the sentence.

reply to post by Deetermined

From what I can gather, O.J. would have been more upset with Nicole for not letting the family sit together during their daughter's recital or get together for dinner afterwards. It appears as though O.J. had to call his daughter around 9:00 p.m. that night to congratulate her on her recital performance. He obviously didn't get a chance to do so after the recital and was ticked off.

There's a video of the family together during/after the recital and all is well in OJ land - everyone, including Nichole laughing and joking hugging etc.
Just saying.

peace

reply to post by Deetermined

These are such great questions - Im looking forward to being able to answer them based on the information I'm finding. I don't know if I'll be able to - but it's a great 'think' exercise for sure!

1) Why did O.J. have 3 other cuts besides the one on his finger, plus 7 abrasions?

2) According to cell phone records, O.J. was in his Bronco at 10:03 p.m., not in his home.

3) Why did O.J. purchase a fake beard and mustache on May 27, 1994, two weeks before the murder?

4) What reason would Jason have for stalking Nicole before the murder if this was supposed to be a random snap moment after she didn't show up at his restaurant? Was he doing it for O.J.?

5) Cowling told his girlfriend, plus a prison security guard overheard O.J. telling Rosey Grier, "I didn't mean to do it."

6) As for Jason's mental state, there's plenty of evidence stating that O.J. would rage the same way. I think there's no doubt that O.J. and Jason suffered from the same mental disorder and both had violent tendencies and past records.

I've got them saved in word so I can work on them later!

Thanks!

Edit to Add It looks like MrWendal beat me too it! I'll still look more though.

peace

An instructor for a fingerprint examinations class I took was a senior criminalist at the scene. She believes OJ was the killer, however, there was lots of stuff going on that day that destroyed lots of forensic evidence. Or at least disturbed it. Wont get into details but a lot of what I heard was pretty bad.

reply to post by Deetermined

I just finished your post sighting the autopsy based belief there were two knives. That just opens up such a can of worms doesn't it! Jason was known to always carry a (ankle) knife and have his kitchen knives in his car. The reenactment in the 6th video leaves no doubt two knives could have been used, but, your autopsy quote also said one seemed to be used by a left handed person? Wow - lots to think about here!

Interesting thread indeed. Sorry for not adding much to it at the time, more of just marking it to remember to check it out thoroughly when I have the time. I don't think OJ did it personally, I think if he did he would have went down for it. People can talk all the trash they want about fuhrman, but his work on Murder in Greenwich shows me he is very good at what he does. Picking up a cold case like that, and nailing a kenedy for it like 25 years after it happened. That is some good investigation skill.

Originally posted by BASSPLYR
I don't know who killed Nichole simpson and that other guy but I do remember them saying that her neck was cut and it looked like a pez dispenser. basically the head just flapping around by the skin on the back. The knife used was a non serrated one. from the people I've talked to it takes a very strong person to slice the neck from front to back with a non serrated blade. An average person will have a difficult time doing this. If the cut was made front to back (adams apple toward spine) the person was very strong. the sternocleisiomastoid (sp) and trapezius and the cartilage in the front are harder to cut than they are to pronounce. If the cut was made from the back forward ie jabbed into the side of the neck around the carotid and then torqued forward and out. cutting away from the handler of the blade it would be easier to make the same sort of wound that killed Nichole. Usually only professionals who do this sort of stuff will know about the latter method of neck slitting. So either somebody very strong did the murder ie OJ or a pro was hired to do the murder.

OR somebody who knows how to use a non serrated knife.

Don't chefs use knives daily ?

Wouldn't they, apart from maybe doctors/surgeons have the best knife skills ?

If it was said to be that clean of a cut I would assume it would be from somebody who was good with a knife because of the precision.

OJ was huge but maybe he would have made it messier.

I studied this in highschool for a class and came to my own conclusion that they framed a guilty man.

They didn't need to plant evidence against OJ.....but they did and because of that they HAD to let him go..

Otherwise there would have been a huge public issue against them....so in order to keep that away they distract us with letting him off and then the social divide happens between those that think he was guilty and innocent and nobody even questions the prosecution as much as focusing on OJ.......

That being said.....The reason some evidence was there to be against OJ could have been because he walked into the Murder scene.

What if son killed them , OJ got there, freaked out, got into a scuffle with his son because of this....that is were the other abrasions and scrapes come in.

Basically OJ freaks out seeing his ex wife and her bf dead...just seeing 2 dead bodies really freaks him out and his son is there maybe crying pleading for him to help him and OJ is confused and disgusted and freaked out and worried and scared and fearful and angry all at the same time because of what his Son did so he at first tries to go after his Son....His son fleas and OJ is left to clean up his Son's mess.

He could have just called the cops on his Son but maybe he didn't want to do that and in the heat of the moment thought he could cover this all up for him ( because when emotional, we don't think are intelligently ) .......


These are the 2 most likely scenarios after presented with all the evidence...


FACT = one of them did it.......

Which one ? Now I'm not sure...Maybe both of them..

Originally posted by coloradokat
Very simply to the people who think that O.J. is guilty - the glove didn't fit!

It didn't fit because they let him put the glove on himself .....they didn't even do it for me...

Of course he's going to make it not fit.....

Us in high school ( at the time ) even pointed this stuff out....if it was obvious to us how could it not be to the people who were supposed to be the best of the best in our country ?

reply to post by LucidDreamer85

If it was said to be that clean of a cut I would assume it would be from somebody who was good with a knife because of the precision.

Jason had had to hand combat training. OJ did not.
Jason was infatuated with knives, was known to always be armed with one and to carry his kitchen knives in his Jeep. Needless to say Jason's choice of weapon is a knife. OJ of course, his fists.

It gave me the chills, deeply, when listening to the evidence. The bottom of the male victims shoes - sneakers - were sliced through. That takes a lot a rage. A lot a rage.

peace

Has anyone read the book, "How I Helped O.J. Get Away with Murder", by Mike Gilbert?

www.amazon.com...

The reviews are very telling. Regardless of whether Mike's account of O.J.'s confession is true, it is a very real and likely story into the people who surrounded O.J. and got "sucked in" to his celebrity, money, etc. to the point of idolization, that caused so many people to cover for him in both the murders and the robbery in Vegas. I could definitely see how the evils of the world would overtake all of them, especially when mixed with O.J.'s narcissistic personality.

After reading the reviews from "If I Did It", there's no doubt that Simpson suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. The book appears to be mostly one long story about O.J. and Nicole's relationship where it's obvious that he blamed all of his troubles on her and even his first wife. This is clearly a man who refuses to accept blame for himself and chooses to be a lifelong victim with no empathy for others. This man grew up with a severely troubled past and self esteem issues that grew into a delusional state brought on by his celebrity status. Yes, one of the symptoms of NPD is rage. These types of people can't deal with the reality of their true self and build up fantasies of grandeur.

For anyone who thinks that just because someone has been violent in the past doesn't mean that they're capable of killing someone, you need to look harder at those with personalities such as O.J.'s.

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by Deetermined

 

From what I can gather, O.J. would have been more upset with Nicole for not letting the family sit together during their daughter's recital or get together for dinner afterwards. It appears as though O.J. had to call his daughter around 9:00 p.m. that night to congratulate her on her recital performance. He obviously didn't get a chance to do so after the recital and was ticked off.

There's a video of the family together during/after the recital and all is well in OJ land - everyone, including Nichole laughing and joking hugging etc.
Just saying.

peace

One report I read said that this particular dinner outing, after the recital, was the first time O.J. had not been invited to come along as part of the family. Does the video show them all sitting together at the recital?

It was well known when I stayed on the West Coast at the time that the son Jason did it.

I thought everyone knew this...