Absolute Proof has been Discovered

Originally posted by NullVoid

I would like to reiterate what you should realized by now,
1.They have the ability to "feel and know" what the bait have in mind (telepathy is a curse and a bless). - 0 human
2.Their technology especially the spacecraft somehow nullify electrical gizmos, which means no electricity - the camera turned off, GPS not working, - 0 human
3.Even if the camera still running, they "know and feel", simply access the bait conscious and give the "I need to turn off the monitoring" feeling to the bait. - 0 human
4.If the gizmos is secret, then their sense might still see it as glowing auras (the electric), thus still knew, plausible. - 1 human win

1. The telepathy issue: Subjects under observation cannot be trusted. Solution: as part of project, they sign a release form allowing them to be monitored anytime, any where, through any method.
Obvious cameras are indeed installed, but, these cameras are 'dummy' cameras put there on purpose so if the subject is mind-controlled, or just a hoaxer, when they turn off the 'dummy' cameras, they will STILL be getting watched.

2. Technology getting turned off by EMP: all hardware can be shielded, and locked down into tamper proof casing with battery backup systems against loss of power.

3. All researchers conducting active monitoring can do so remotely, far distant from subjects so that if there is a telepathy factor, telepathy won't 'hear' or 'feel' the researchers.

4. Dogs? suggesting such is a preventative measure. From a research standpoint you WANT the aliens, or whatever is causing this to happen to come and make it happen. You want as many abduction events recorded to data points as possible.

For every problem, there can be a solution. No problem is impossible to solve or work around.
Part of conducting such research would be in testing solutions to problems, and developing solutions that do indeed allow for successful monitoring.

Any electronic device can be shielded. Mind-control/telepathy concerns can be addressed through various means.
No problem is insurmountable.

These are very simple things. If aliens would just come abduct me, we'd have some answers, or at least a more concentrated effort with data points, journal entries, and test parameters set for proper study, and inquiry into this phenomenon; more than we have now, and done with a persistence for problem solving. I volunteer for abduction. Bring it. Me no scared.

reply to post by nineix



offering yourself as bait, dont haha

1. The bait surely know theyre monitored. What I mean by "feel and know" is the aliens will know about it too, its like go to other computer and see their documents. Nevertheless, I dont think the aliens care about it.

2. EMP ? I'm not sure its EMP, but stories shows the spacecraft nullify electricity, probably ionized or whatever, the gizmos is not fried, so its not EMP. Batteries also dont work, however, remote power is an option - cables.
Sample studies is gasoline/petrol cars stop working, diesel based engine is fine (no electric), thus batteries still nullified. Anyway I also no sure the effect is intentional or not, UFO just pass and witness car stop working - might not intentional, else they would abduct the poor soul.

3. Of course remotely, if its local, even the researcher might end up abducted. Ever heard the entire town abduction? , just look it up. Even a recorded is OK already, however the response and assessment must be daily, all in all, the cost to pull up this stuff is the main hurdle.

4.That paragraph/numbered list is suggestions to avoid being abducted again. Notice it start with number 1 ? You are mixing it I guess.

Any electronic device can be shielded. Mind-control/telepathy concerns can be addressed through various means.
No problem is insurmountable.

Do tell me what we know about telepathy ? I bet its still in debate whether exist or not.
Still, I stand firmly with my conclusion - we are still defeated, for now.

Just look at the thread response,
people cannot accept that we are not alone,
those who accept we are not alone, have trouble accepting they are here already,
then those who believe, cannot accept that we are that "lame" and weak,
and even if they accept humans are lame and pushing for progress like you, we are still years behind in terms of effort.

Humans marvel and praise the power of nuclear, while it is something worth mentioning, it is still "lame" compared to their tech - shielding from space contamination (radio, magnetic, debris, radioactive, who knows what else in the space) and yet they already space faring and harvesting us.

These are very simple things. If aliens would just come abduct me, we'd have some answers, or at least a more concentrated effort with data points, journal entries, and test parameters set for proper study, and inquiry into this phenomenon; more than we have now, and done with a persistence for problem solving. I volunteer for abduction. Bring it. Me no scared.

DO NOT OFFER YOURSELF, they can make you immortal if they want, and being immortal is not good news.
Do remember, these aliens are cannibals by choice and they have limited feeling or moral left, if any at all.
Lookup observe50 here on ATS, shes an experiencer and I believe shes programmed/brainwashed to believe shes an observer.: Far from discrediting her, I sort of envy her for able to handle it, she is a good candidate actually, except "past the productive years". D

reply to post by NullVoid


What I'm getting at is, to try something, anything, and if that doesn't work, then improve on that attempt and try again, and if that doesn't work, keep improving, keep changing, keep adapting, keep trying until positive results come about.

It's scientific method, which is something sorely lacking in application when it comes to this field of inquiry.

Seems anyone that does try something like cameras, tries, then just gives up when it doesn't work. These people lack persistence, and/or the imagination to pursue various options in a continuing adaptive organized and detailed approach.

When I say the solution for telepathy is simple, I mean that if there is such a thing, and if it's in use, then, the subject under monitoring must be considered a puppet/drone/hostile and even though they've volunteered and signed waivers, they'd need be treated as untrustworthy where deception and misdirection is used against them under the premise that by doing so, deception and misdirection is being used against anyone or anything that might tap in telepathically, if such a thing even exists.

As for electronics, whatever happens, through trial and error, solutions can be found if only by little bits at a time..
I'm not saying that the first time anything gets set up and tried out that there will be success. Had I the funding I'd expect failure on every front, but also be prepared to continue pushing, and trying out new things, talking to other scientists and engineers to explain problems and get consultations for solutions.

Oh yes, I would gladly meet with some aliens if they do indeed exist. I'd sit through some probing and examination as it wouldn't be anything worse than the worst dates I've been on, and it'd be with aliens, so, I'm prepared to suffer through some discomfort and indignity if it means I get to get my hands and eyeballs onto some aliens that I can examine, talk to, and probe back in my own way, in whatever way i can.

I'm more than willing to make sacrifices for science, to get confirmation, or get closer to an affirmative that aliens are real, if they are indeed real.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work out that aliens want anything to do with me because, they either don't exist and are the product of delusional people's minds, or, they're scared of me, even though I'm only 5'0" and weigh 95lbs.
They can't stand up to inquiry and immediately evaporate like smoke and vapor hit by a 200 tetrawatt heat ray.

Whatever the case, if they were all sorts of any kind of powerful in any way to be frightened of them, they'd have very little need to be sneaky. They could act with impunity out in the open without fear if they were invulnerable.

I thus happily maintain that my rock will break their scissors every time if given the opportunity.

Show me some aliens, or show them my way. I'm ready and have been ready. Bring it. i have some questions.

I don't know any implants discovered so far to be actual implants from abduction, yet alone from 'another planet'. For a moment I thought it was an April 1st prank but if that were the case, then every day is some April 1st.

I'm not responding to the implant thing, but will say If anyone still needs "absolute proof" to make up their minds at this point then aliens abducting people should be way, way down on their list of priorities.

Originally posted by TheLegend
I'm not responding to the implant thing, but will say If anyone still needs "absolute proof" to make up their minds at this point then aliens abducting people should be way, way down on their list of priorities.

edit on 2-4-2012 by TheLegend because: (no reason given)

How so?
You make a statement but don't follow up with any reason.

My point regarding the abduction phenomenon is that if there are aliens, chasing craft sightings is paramount to pointless as chasing sightings is following events after the fact.

Staking out abductees, if there are abductions occurring, would supply evidence/data for/against the phenomenon occurring on a physical level.

Abduction reports detail frequent recurring experiences. If such is the case, then, staking out abductees is proactive. Sit, wait, watch, and with enough coverage of enough abductees, minus those that are just delusional (if not all of them), then data one way or another will be collected.
IF there are in fact physical abductions taking place, then this proactive approach will be there ahead of time, waiting, and ready to capture data, to capture proof.
If something, anything happens, regardless of failure in methodology, those methodologies can be improved on towards better success next time around.

Chasing craft sightings, or bugging government for disclosure is a fruitless avenue.

If you're going to post a negative, then offer an alternative to replace what you're negating. Otherwise, you're defeatist, and not contributing anything worthwhile to exploring a solution toward finding answers.

Thus, if pursuing the abduction phenomenon shouldn't be a priority high on the list as you say, then, what?
Please do tell us what might garner more success from a standpoint of scientific inquiry that can be tested.

reply to post by nineix

You misunderstood and I'm not in disagreement (I'm the one who gave your post above my previous reply a S).
My absence of elaboration was intentional but apparently one anonymous person caught my meaning (raise your hand plz).

And adults under 100lbs scare me. Replying directly to you is making me nervous.

If a tiny shard from a meteorite entered my body in any way, I might not know about it, if it gave physical problems later on to make me aware that a foreign ET particle was present in my body, is not the same as saying directly that it was given secondhand by an ET entity. I'm not out on the idea of implants as described, just that it is not proof absolute. We just cannot say that, and given our knowledge to date, does not even include a recognisable, and interfering ET.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that someone who's body is forcibly penetrated by a speeding piece of space iron would not notice it at all. It would be like being shot only the projectile would be moving much faster than a bullet. Meteors and asteroids don't act like they do in the movies, they move at hypersonic speeds, which means that if an asteroid hit earth, we wouldn't know about it until the explosion, we wouldn't be able to watch it coming in because it would be moving so fast. Add to that the fact that in most of these people there are no entry wounds that are visible and you have a genuine mystery the answer to which I don't claim to have. Honestly sometimes the points that these debunkers make are even more ridiculous than the point they are trying to debunk. I think this is one of those times. I'm definitely not a true believer but I'm very skeptical of someone suggesting that you wouldn't notice your body being penetrated by a piece of high speed space metal. Have you ever stepped on a piece of glass? I have, I noticed immediately and it hurt like hell plus your body reacts to the presence of foreign objects and with alot of these there is no inflammatory response at all. Like someone said before though it's not absolute proof until it's peer reviewed and a consensus is reached, which will never happen in our current scientific/political climate in my opinion.

reply to post by TheLegend


Are you in any way indicating that my formidably tiny size could be indication of alien/human hybridization such that it causes you nervousness?

I'm just tiny, but not dwarf or midget tiny. 5'0" isn't obnoxiously small, and I'm entirely proportionate for my size.
Example. Avatar IS me, my own work, of me, by me.

This is the interwebs anyway. I could be some 500lbs silverback gorilla making sign language that gets interpreted into text then posted here for all anyone knows.

I really find it hard to believe that 'Aliens" are traversing the universe just to show up and abduct people to implant them with little "things" that can be found by a simple scalpel.

If we use logic to try to figure something out here, wouldn't it be logical to assume that if such entities had the obvious super techniclogical advancements that is needed to traverse the galaxy by FTL, create a wormhole, blackhole, or whatever, that they would already know what they were getting into before arriving at such a pretty low advanced civilization such as ourselves?

I mean wouldn't they use fly sized, or any other smaller than what we know of, drones to get the data that they need. If they wish to be secret about it. Then why implant something with no regard of the subject finding the implant and asking questions?

If such implants are even real, we can take the logical step even further, with no proof of course, what would stop a secret organization of planet earth origins from using high tech methods or means to "abduct" people to make one believe that there are "aliens", and to be absloute sure of it, to deflect any suspicion of super advancements of technology that no one on planet earth is aware of, except the "one's with money and power? The military industrial complex spends trillions of dollars in research and developement, over time, to develope new means to "control" the outcome of any conflict or situation.

What is a better way then to make people believe without a questionable doubt that they were "abducted by aliens"? This way people(abductees) tell their stories and suddenly all of the aircraft and secret technology that has to get "test driven" has an explanation that was put out there by a public of sure minded(abductees), people that believe without a doubt that they were abducted or had an encounter with an unknown entity.

If "they"(tptb) infected people with stds just to see what happens, then why wouldn't "they" want to try out a new memory implanter or eraser on people to see what happens. After all the brain works on bain waves, I know that is obvious, but sometimes I feel that people seems to forget that if the technology is right you could produce such brainwaves, there has been numerous and still ongoing studies of the human brain. If you have billions or trillions of dollars to invest in such research, and the ability to recruit the smartest minds on the planet, then I believe it is feasible.

This sounds more logical (to me) than "aliens" coming from light years away to show up and "abduct" someone and implant them with something that can be found by the "experiment". That is just what I would not expect a super advanced race of "beings" of doing.

As far as the meteorite and not from this earth.

Honestly, how hard is it to get a meteorite from here on earth and melt it down for your metallic shell or casing. If one is capable of abducting people and implanting them, then I think it is perfectly feasible to obtain a meteorite from earth and do as you please with it on a metallurgical basis.

This is just some junkie logic that I would like everybody to at least consider. I know that I have no proof, but neither does anybody else with all of the other "stories" out there. I personally believe that with a 700 plus billion dollar defense budget, one can do some pretty amazing secret research and to top it off, it does not even have to be of american origin. There is a whole world out there with eccentric billionaires and other countries with pretty admirable budgets.

Don't worry I expect negative feedback for the lack of proof or links to back up my little theory here. That is fine because before anybody goes on the offensive, one must be able to sit back and notice that there really isn't any hard evidence of alien beings or technologies here on earth. I believe that it is all terestrial and until I see proof positive evidence, preferrably not from youtube or ancient aliens I will continue to believe that all is terrestrial in origins.

I just wanted to speak/type my mind and try to find a logical explanation for what is/could be happening to people.

Remember the one's in power will not let the power go, so it is logical to think that they are conducting research on how to make people nice little law abiding, tax paying, addicted to corporate interests, citizens, so thet "they" can stay in power. No I am not talking about Warren Buffet or Bill Gates. The riches go back through history.

reply to post by nineix


It seems the way you understand telepathy is a bit vague. When a reprogrammed/suggestive hypnotized occur, a person might break the NDA/agreement so, its purpose quite useless. We can always trust an abductee, up to a certain point where the commitment suddenly gone.

To understand how reprogram work, see the previous link I gave you. The hat maker gave it for free and after a while wearing and interacting with the aliens, the receiver send it back saying "I cant/dont want to wear it" and cant explain why he cant /dont want to wear it. That is a sample of reprogram, they never lie, they just "dont like it".

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work out that aliens want anything to do with me because, they either don't exist and are the product of delusional people's minds, or, they're scared of me, even though I'm only 5'0" and weigh 95lbs.
They can't stand up to inquiry and immediately evaporate like smoke and vapor hit by a 200 tetrawatt heat ray.
Whatever the case, if they were all sorts of any kind of powerful in any way to be frightened of them, they'd have very little need to be sneaky. They could act with impunity out in the open without fear if they were invulnerable.

Regarding you want to be abducted, seems you really dont know with what youre dealing with. I have never been abducted AFAIK, but I have a good idea what its about. So I'll tell you in 1 single sentence. You are biological specimens, no more than that.

In an abduction scenario, mostly its "a lab assistant, taking specimen #146 from its natural enviroment to gather genetic, bio and reproduction sample for further semi-artificial reproduction, specimen is to be return to natural enviroment unharmed and without memory or awareness of the procedure"
or simpler way...
Scientist shooting tranquilizer into gorilla, bring back to lab, take semen, blood etc then put back the gorilla to its habitat. The gorilla have no clue whatsoever happen except "sleeping".
The marvelloues thing with these alien is - they manage to do all this in such short time.

You can practise "being abducted" quite easily, just recall your dreams on daily basis. Its that hard and blur.


I have no doubt regarding their existence and know they are here already, maybe since the beginning.
Never abducted and do not intend to be one.
I have no doubt there are implants and its implanted by them, what purpose, still no clue other than for tracking purposes.
The implants is nano level construct, I think its powered by body heat, they are transmitting very high frequency, not sure if its from outer space or terra made (thats what this thread is all about).
Implants position was and usually random but now changed to vital life organ - sort of permanent.
Implants somehow manage to "blend in" with tissue, so metals from outerspace is kinda...hmm ?

TheLegend : I'll raise my hand. Hope its helps

April Fool ? How about postpone it to next May Fool ?

reply to post by NullVoid


I'm pretty sure I grasp what you're saying.
I, however, don't agree that it's an impossible feat to foil, or trip up the machinations of an advanced alien culture if such is what is going on.
Scientists can tranq dart a gorilla, sure, and typical gorilla behavior would send the rest of the troop into a fear response, but, should those other gorillas behave unpredictably, to attack the scientists, to steal the dart protruding from one of their peers, then, the gorillas might win the day, if only the day.

If aliens are abducting us, for whatever reason and have been doing it for however long it is they've been doing it, then, they've got a technique, a technique we can figure, and all it takes for us is ONE success to get our grubby primitive paws on something substantial that could really qualify as 'absolute proof' more so than some circumstantial bits of metal or whatever these so called implants consist of.

With enough concerted persistence, we hairless monkeys might be able to drag one of these scientists into our forest, to show all the other monkeys that there are indeed spooky aliens taking advantage of us.

As for the mind control telepathy reprogramming aspect, I'm pretty sure I understand that if such is going on, then a subject would need be treated with total prejudice, like a game where they are actively attempting to foil and sabotage every effort to monitor them.
With legal agreements, before hand, it could be set up where the subject signs power of attorney over to a relative, or legal/medical representative of their own choosing in foresight that this telepathy/reprogramming/mind control effect may prompt them to suddenly change their mind about participation.

I'm pretty sure, no matter the obstacle, legal, technical, psychological, whatever, there are solutions available to anyone persistent enough to be persistent.

As for implants, subjects could undergo complete body scans before during and after terms of candidacy during monitoring so as to see if there are any sudden additions or changes regarding invasive materials.

No matter the tech, every tech has its limitations. With persistence, we can find and exploit those limitations such that we will achieve actual real absolute proof as opposed to more circumstantial grasping at straws that's been the norm and mainstay paradigm in this field of inquiry.

Originally posted by liejunkie01

I mean wouldn't they use fly sized, or any other smaller than what we know of, drones to get the data that they need. If they wish to be secret about it. Then why implant something with no regard of the subject finding the implant and asking questions?

What is a better way then to make people believe without a questionable doubt that they were "abducted by aliens"? This way people(abductees) tell their stories and suddenly all of the aircraft and secret technology that has to get "test driven" has an explanation that was put out there by a public of sure minded(abductees), people that believe without a doubt that they were abducted or had an encounter with an unknown entity.

This sounds more logical (to me) than "aliens" coming from light years away to show up and "abduct" someone and implant them with something that can be found by the "experiment". That is just what I would not expect a super advanced race of "beings" of doing.

I agree its logic that humans can and might do that stuff as well.
But isn't it better to have the test subject comes from the military itself ? No such need to painstakingly kidnap people etc etc
Why go to trouble kidnapping ugly kid joe when you have G.I.Joes willing to die for you. Why would "pretending aliens" with anti-grav tech when the true purpose is you want to hide it ? Just go silent is all you need, not play pretend aliens just to satisfy somebody else, it beat the original purpose.
Apple create fake story about Microsoft having quantum level storage when actually its them who have it ? Why not just silence ? See ?

What is scientist/astronomer doing now ?
Finding earth like planets, for what ? - Find other lifeform.
Then ? - Send message to them, hi, I'm human.
Why ? - Because we cant go there.
What if we can go there ? - Go study it without affecting their environment.

Humans merely 100K years and we already claim champion, what will we achieve in 1 million years ? Space-faring ? probably. Now lets give the aliens 1 million years head start, I guess they dont bother saying hi, just visit. They too want to study other lifeform, same stuff.

But the grays, I doubt they just study. More like taking advantage.

reply to post by nineix


Yes, it can be done with persistence, no doubt.

We are moving forward, currently is at ...
"deception, suggestibility (fantasy-proneness, hypnotizability, false-memory syndrome), personality, sleep phenomena, psychopathology, psychodynamics [and] environmental factors." ,
a sleep disorder with cultural influence, still debating about that!
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About the 1 chance, I have a real story, I saw an UFO checking out light beam for 40 minutes, best 40 minutes of my life, something is proven, no more blind believer, yay , I alert my family....

Mother: I want to sleep, she knows but ... (she was sleeping btw)
Son: (After much coaxing) hesitantly went outside, watch it for 2 seconds, run back inside to continue playing FB games.
Daughter:Ohh UFO! Is it like fireworks ? - Clueless but shes the one who spot it.
The day after....told a friend....
Friend: Laugh, UFO? really? Ok..- continue to watch tv, too busy with life I guess.

Report to mufon ? for what ? they arent going to send forensic or whatever to me. I doubt even an email. Report to press ? Pics was blurry as hell, not to mention the out of battery syndrome.
Report to gov ? Probably better talk to my friend, at least he listens.

Then it struck me, this is how other witness felt and endure. Its really sad.
Best 40 minutes of my life and I felt it alone. That is the journey for UFO believers.

reply to post by NullVoid

It is infinitely more important to know it yourself than it is to convince others. The way of the philosopher king is a path of low profile with open mind and sealed lips. Don't permit the ignorance or qualm of plebeians to temper the moments that you witnessed the divine. You are not alone for if such a phenomenon occurred in its genuine sense then your witnesses are the gods themselves. As stated in the high Masonic order, derived from the confiscated ruins of ancient Heliopolis and recorded by a philosopher who witnessed Ra's unbridled descent onto the sands, "I would sacrifice all in exchange for acknowledgement by our shining superiors."

Originally posted by TheLegend
reply to post by NullVoid

 

Then I for one, have witnessed and approve it, forever the acknowledge shall be mine alone and it is good enough for me. And with that in place, I accept to be none the wiser.

Originally posted by The Shrike
Boy, do you go off the deep end with your assumptions! That scientist must be one hell of a researcher if he tested the alleged implant and did a study of all materials in creation to come up with that super answer. You say "We know..." No, we don't know. More correctly, we (actually you) assume that alleged alien abductions really happen even though there is no evidence for them, just hearsay.

I don't know if it is some kind of delusion or mental block thought process, but just because reality is mysterious doesn't mean you should knock it down. Compare what is real to what is ignorant. I didn't want to believe it either... The government that has lied to us for 60 didn't want to believe it either...

Originally posted by TheLegend
I'm not responding to the implant thing, but will say If anyone still needs "absolute proof" to make up their minds at this point then aliens abducting people should be way, way down on their list of priorities.

edit on 2-4-2012 by TheLegend because: (no reason given)

i agree. there are bigger things to worry about

Originally posted by bknapple32

Originally posted by mindblower23

Originally posted by johnnyl22
Here is my idea:
Remove said implants
Analyze them
Have other scientists and engineers agree its not man made

If the implants are made with materials we do not have, or use technology we do not have, then you might have proof it is alien in origin. Without doing so you cannot prove anything. Also a lot of skeptics can claim that TPTB abducted then chipped these people and hide the technology they use so we think it is alien so we don't catch on to human experimentation

so are you insinuating that the implants are man made?

Well with all the conspiracies abound on this site, who is to say it isnt? Do you know what the super secret military industrial complex has on its hands to experiment on its on citizens with? No, so how can you be sure its NOT man made?

If the isotope ratios used in the samples were in fact not naturally found on this planet, for an otherwise ordinary piece of, say, titanium (just a random example), then it is highly unlikely that "special" titanium would have been pieced together atom by atom in a particle accelerator in those precise ratios simply to make a substance that one can naturally find on earth.

So isotope ratios would be one viable way to know with a good degree of confidence whether a sample was made on this earth or on another world.

-rrr