Email and web use 'to be monitored' under new laws

Are we still really naive enough to think that this isn't already going on?

Of course they're monitoring you, your calls, emails, web usage, earnings, spending habits.......



I think Mr. Emerson sums it up nicely.

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Yes....it may well be going on but at least at the moment by doing so they are breaking the law and you have the right to legal redress.]

reply to post by AR154
They already are monitoring everything they just need legal rights to use that information

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Like you say, I don't see the point of it all. Unless the real idea is to see how far people will let this go down the line. In any case, how can they moralise over any 'hacking' when they pursue other hackers through the courts? It's all so stupid. Typical posh pretend notion for anyone gullible enough to lap up.. I'm tempted to do a bit of hacking myself Let's hope the sleepers here are watching.

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You're right Yellowbeard. No matter the government in power we are now subject to a creeping erosion of civil liberties by "the state". The pressure to implement these draconian measures comes from UNELECTED bodies such as the police and the security services to "protect" us.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not wholly anti-police or anti-security forces, but right now they seem out of control. How many times has a person been shot by the police in the UK and nobody has been found accountable? How often do we read about officers implicated in corruption (Murdoch; Cardiff three to name just two). The IPCC seems either powerless or incompetent. And as for the security services........well exactly who are they accountable to?
At the end of the day ALL public services MUST be accountable to the people. We have already seen how "terror" laws are abused for, dear God, littering, dog fouling and even as a punitive measure against Iceland for it's banking fiasco.
Finally, to those who see no point in challenging this, then think again. Rant to everyone. Email every MP you can, join Liberty, join Big Brother Watch, post on BBC, Yahoo, Google, Facebook etc.
This has to be stopped

Go riot some more, dumbarses.

You Brits are getting exactly what you deserve after the last riots, all the arsonists were using social media to burn everything to the ground as they stayed one step ahead of the law.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Go riot some more, dumbarses.

You Brits are getting exactly what you deserve after the last riots, all the arsonists were using social media to burn everything to the ground as they stayed one step ahead of the law.

Well I hate to agree with you but you're right in honesty... The Police should be able to access this type of information when it is required however, you give them the power to do this legally and it will be abused and I think that is an even worse prospect.

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We're not the ones being subjected to strip searches for non payment of alimony. You get your own house in order and then I may have some respect for your criticism of ours.

The only reason the citizens of the States tolerate the ongoing erosion of their civil liberties is their fear of.......themselves. Things get too hot over there it won't be arson they'll be worrying about - it'll be the shoot out and the potential blood bath.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Go riot some more, dumbarses.

You Brits are getting exactly what you deserve after the last riots, all the arsonists were using social media to burn everything to the ground as they stayed one step ahead of the law.

What's your point exactly? There was all sorts of stuff going on, including criminality and arson. So are you for profiling from the cradle to the grave tinhead? remember, what comes around, goes around.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by moosevernel
I was just about to post this myself

this is absolutely outrageous and we need to do everything in out power to fight this bill.

If the people let this pass then i would say we are truly doomes and most of the people in this country are asleep or couldnt care less.

They will say you should not worry if you have nothing to hide... well its not about hiding things its about personal privacy and freedoms which are swiftly being eroded by th fecking elites around the world.

VIVA LA REOLUTION

There are now people on the BBC site supporting a peaceful revolution in the UK. There are people stating that we have the right to forcibly remove a dictatorial government, and I truly believe for the first time we could actually see that happen.

With our government proven to be corrupt, working for their corporate friends, with their creation of the fuel panic to cover up their mess, and now this too... I don't foresee our government lasting beyond the summer.

If they refuse to leave through peaceful protest of the people, I do believe we'll see them dragged from their seats in parliament by the angry masses.

There is only so much the people of the UK will take.

I think this is so, so, so true.
With all the furore over fuel costs going up again in summer, and then this - I think his could be the tipping point for a real change in our govt - out with a corrupt administration, clean sweep of parliament is what is needed.
Concerns me though - i post a long, long rant on Facebook telling people to turn off X factor, stop playing farmville, go read this article and make a difference. Nothing, no response. Someone above posts some picture about gargbage, comments and likes a plenty - and that concerns me.
Have they dumbed down enough people that they will get away with this, because I think its a real possibility.

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brit here and my colonial cousin should watch his mouth or wash it out..lets not get hostile

thats to tinhead foil finger pointing at little britain stuff over a riot as a cause

Originally posted by denver22
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brit here and my colonial cousin should watch his mouth or wash it out..lets not get hostile

Exactly my sentiment. The London riots had a background to them, what happened afterward was no different than LA, and would you believe it, they had 'phones then, Tinhead made a stupid, stupid post, and that makes me wonder?

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The tin man foil rust bucket, needs to change and i am not just talking about an oil change and apologize, then all is forgiven you have made a stupid statement sir against your friends across the pond i .e little britain.come on pal we all have riots to pin it all on britains riots as a whole for this, is wrong and especially the riots "were is your proof?"...

Originally posted by bigyin
If they are going to monitor everyones email, browsing and phones it's going to take an army of government employees to carry it out. And who is going to monitor the government employees.

Another thing, What if you share a router with other people in the same location. How would they know who was browsing what ?

The idea is that they could be watching all the members of a site like this. They could track every single person here to wherever they are right now. If they're on here and reading about someones political opinion, they could arrive on that persons doorstep within an hour and "disappear" them - without explanation, without warrant, without charge, without trial...

The plan is not to monitor every single person in the UK, the plan is to monitor those with political opinions, follow them, see if they're planning to protest, finding the planning group for that protest, then raiding that group and preventing that protest. The same can also be used to halt the forming of any new political parties.

It is clear that all political parties in government are owned by the same group of people. Labour wanted ID cards and a central database of communication records for all citizens. The Conservatives fought that. Then when the Conservatives are in power, they're selling off the NHS, covering up corruption, creating a crisis out of nothing, training up military to take over civilian roles, and now forcing through even darker monitoring of the people.

This proves that Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are all owned and controlled by the same group. It doesn't matter what any of them says in opposition, when they are in power they are instructed to follow what the "cabal" wants - the military industrial complex, NWO, corporate interests, Bilderberg group, call it what you will.

We know that this will be pointless in fighting crime and terrorism, because those intent on that kind of behavior will know what they are doing. It's about stopping the common man from formulating and discussing political opinions, scaring the people into silence, intimidation and control.

The three parties know that the people have had it with them, and the people who control them cannot risk a new party that they cannot control taking government.

All this terrorist crap makes me piss...

REMEMBER THE IRA?
Real terrorists that blew # up...

Now it's just a bogieman in a burka.
I don't remember this much infringement on my rights when they were at it on the mainland..

the law needs to be one step of the person going around hacking, online crime, catching underage porn surfers, identity crimes, terrorists, immigrants, because when these people take to outwitting the law ,so the law must out wit the criminals. Its the digital age and this has to happen regarding keeping up with each other, just like your anti virus programs update update update everything has to catch up with each other because one will strive for new ways to outwit the other and national security.although it is a possability these powers could be abused.I would rather they go ahead with it .IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE THEN WHY WORRY..If it stops a terrorist plot then good, if it stops or catches the bad people then good im all for it.of course things are liable to go wrong but then again wot is fool proof.

Originally posted by denver22
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The tin man foil rust bucket, needs to change and i am not just talking about an oil change and apologize, then all is forgiven you have made a stupid statement sir against your friends across the pond i .e little britain.come on pal we all have riots to pin it all on britains riots as a whole for this, is wrong and especially the riots "were is your proof?"...

That's not right, as you make too many suppositions, first off, do you really think then that, this internet interception, profiling whatever you want to call it, is singularly to do with the London riots. I make the comparison with LA and Rodney King merely in terms of communication and background. Tinfoil on the other hand is being more specific. BTW, I am English, although I live in the real 'Little Britain' which is Ireland. The other bit you may live on is Great Britain.

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"Those who would give up a little liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security" - Benjamin Franklin.

2nd line.

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my mistake it was we shouldnt pin it on riots.sorry pal mmy spelling i just seen it lol