Please stop posting about the most sick crimes you can find

Originally posted by Leftist
S&F for the OP. The OP's message is important for ATS in particular.

Why?

Because in the public imagination (insofar as it can be said to apply, that is), places like ATS occupy an ambiguous place - for many, not too far from supermarket-tabloid-level. This is changing, however, as people realize the MSM is no longer trustworthy and that we really do live in an era of massaged and manipulated news. Given that, people are looking at ATS and other “conspiracy” sites in a new light. We have the potential to bring back a little of the dignity that the MSM has tossed over its shoulder like a rusty tin can. But the fate of places like ATS hangs in the balance – will it become a serious news source or will it remain the “lunatic fringe” ?

They used to say journalists had a responsibility to elevate the public discourse, or at least to keep it from sliding into the gutter. This was connected with the idea that journalism is more than a job, it was a profession, if not an out-and-out calling. That is no longer the case, sadly - journalists are now shills. But as "citizen journalists," we must pick up the mantle that the shills have dropped. Part of this means we, too, have that same responsibility.

It's up to us.

I agree with what you said, only wanting to make one addition. If sites such as ATS become the 'lunatic fringe' as you stated, it plays into the hands of the elite. When a person begins to question MSM sources and visits ATS, among other sites, hoping for intelligent discourse within the alternative viewpoint, only to find lunatics, they stop trusting alternative news sources, concluding it is only the crazies believing these sources, and deem themselves idiots for 'almost' being entrapped by falsehood.

It is for this reason we should fight against the 'lunatic fringe,' otherwise truth itself will be lost.

reply to post by VonDoomen


I'm not keen on discussing gore porn. I'm trying to point out to you that an article with the title saying;

"Officials: 3 Killed as Human sacrifice in Mexico"

Has every right to be posted just as the title below has;

"US Soldier kills afghan civilians in Kandahar"

Both horrible stories. Stories where people were killed unnecessarily. Why should one be filtered or censored because it makes your stomach curdle.

Yogurts with bits make my stomach curdle, but i don't go and write to the yogurt companies telling them they shouldn't put bits in their yogurts or take them off the shelves in supermarkets because the idea of them makes me queasy.

Also, i believe that the T&C states that in Breaking Alternative News, the title of the article should be posted as it is in the actual artcle.

Members have every right to post these threads. The main issue here is yours, the OP's and whoever else agrees with you, not the posters of these threads or the stories themselves.

Who are you to decide what's newsworthy or not?

Originally posted by HangTheTraitors

Originally posted by petrus4
This is an example of something which is not news that we need to know about.

Says who?

There are MANY members here who WANT to know whats going on.

The LAST thing this site needs is someone telling members to not post news.

Are you the News Police now??

It's not news, it's warped voyeurism.

None of the type of stories the OP is alluding to affect the whole of society. Telling the tales far an wide only serves to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt and to appeal to the lowest common denominator of discourse. It just acts to wear down the psyche of our nation so that we wallow in our dystopian nightmare instead of actually rising up, taking control and improving ourselves.

The PTB just LUV it.

I don't need to know the details of sick crimes or fear porn either. I have stopped clicking on those threads that involve animal or child abuse. Reading about those atrocities can do nothing to change it after it's been committed by sick individuals.

Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by jimmyx

 

The only legit purpose people have to post garbage on ats is for stars and flags.

I think we may be getting to the crux of your issue here. You've mentioned it a couple of times. Why does this bother you?

The op has suggested that we stop posting about what would be considered sick crimes.
The question is should we do such?
The answer must be no, we should not, and here is the reason behind the answer.
It would not matter if we stopped or not, as it already has made the news. To refuse to post such, when it is in the public interest, is pretty much lying to ourselves that such does not happen, when it does. Better that we admit it does and be truthful, than not. We can not just hide from the world or events, nor should we stop posting them, cause they offend someone. Reality is that no matter what is posted, or printed or even reported on, it is bound to offend someone, somewhere, at sometime. If it is of interest to the board, people will post on it, if not, it will go more to the dead post pile and list, slowly to die off, and people move on.
We do not live in a world of rainbows and unicorns, we live in a dirty, gritty ugly world, as that is the nature of the human condition. It is colorful and full of both wonder and horror. But it is both extremes that we learn the lessons that need to be learned. While it is sick, about the human sacrifice that happened, the point being that it happened. Would we now decide not to post about say a serial killer or, say the events that would happen, such as what happened in Rwanda, all for the sake of not offending a few? What about the literary classics, do we now take them off of the shelves, cause one group or another decides that they are not worthy? That is the start of censorship and ultimately, the downfall of society at large.

Like any thing these days, we have a choice, to either view or not to, and if it offends, just move on, better to spend the time and energy else where, than deal with what we can not change. And if it is of interest, then perhaps it would serve our interest to pay attention. After all if it happens in one part of the world, it could very well happen in the part that we live in.

I fear people supporting the OP missed my point. Seeing stories about atrocities motivates us to action through our sheer disgust & outrage at what a person or group of people are capable of (example: Kony 2012).

Please keep in mind that the motto of ATS is "deny ignorance". Demanding that the news stories posted to this site be censored according to your personal boundaries of what makes you uncomfortable would be failing to live up to that philosophy.

By demanding topics stay within your own personal morals/boundaries you make yourself no different than Muslim extremists or Christian fundamentalists trying to force their beliefs and personal standards upon others. As an individual it's up-to you to self-censor what you see & read, while recognising that others have different boundaries and the topics at hand may be relevant to their situation or interests.

reply to post by petrus4

How do you dare to claim to know what I think about such subjects?? Just because I want such stories to be heard, I dont want to fix the problem?? I enjoy reading about such stories?? If you seriously mean this, then you are the one who need professional help.

Ignoring such stories wont make this world better, instead it will do the exact opposite. Nothing will ever change unless people are educated about what actually happens in this world, which included such horror stories.

If you can handle it, then don't click those topics or go hide behind a rock or something.

I'm not reading the OP as saying that extreme stories are outright wrong, across the board and I sure wasn't meaning to say that in agreeing earlier in the thread. I'm sure surprised bythe messages attacking what the OP is trying to say though...

I welcome the OP correcting me, but as I'm reading this it's simply a matter of being fed up and disgusted with the apparent competition to out-tabloid the National Enquirer and find that special little something of ugliness to make even the Faces of Death producers blush in discomfort.

I wouldn't think anyone is suggesting that contributing stories is negative in any way, but the motives behind the choices are certainly open to some question at times. I'm 100% in agreement that a % lately do seem aimed at not sharing important ideas or perspectives on current events but just trying to be the most disgusting or repulsive of the bunch.

Kinda like the kid in elementary school we all had in at least one class who only seemed to be happy when making others unhappy or sick. Kids like that are certainly cute....to a point. It's just such a short trip getting to that point.

Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by petrus4

 

I agree with you 100% OP. I always try and post in these threads lambasting the poster. I have a feeling most if not all of these posters do so for the stars and flags under the guise of "im just trying to show ATS how the world is."

thanks, like we dont already know that there are sick and twisted people in the world. You wouldnt believe how many people reply like that, trying to defend their flag greedy ego's and mask it as something else. I started coming to ats to read the alternative news, the good stories/theories, the random ancient civilizations id never heard of, ect. If i wanted to read or watch goreporn i would go to liveleaks or the ogrish forums. But i dont because it is tasteless and IMO represents some sort of mental malfunction.
Thanks for posting this, now if we can only get this on thefront pagefor about a week.

Which is pure LIES. Again how dare people like you say these things about another person you know NOTHING about? Tasteless and mental malfunction to educate people about this?? wow.. you people never cease to amaze me.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Maybe because the OP is claiming stuff about me and others that is pure fabricated lies or wild assumptions?
When i read such stories i feel sad and really want to educate others as well in the small hope that people wake up and try to make this a better world.
Seeing the world through only rose tinted glasses will do even less.

are you kidding me?
if you're on this forum, that means you want to know whats going on in the world.
the good, the bad and the worst.

whats the point in searching for the truth if you're just gonna cover your eyes when something is shown to you?

this planet is as beautiful as it is sick.
that's the reality.
it can touch your heart and it can rip it out of your chest at the same time.

Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by jimmyx

 

That is acceptable. They were documenting history and evidence for a court of law.that had a purpose. The only legit purpose people have to post garbage on ats is for stars and flags.

yes...in some instances over the years i've been on ATS, i have to agree with you. but the vast majority of us here do not condone this type of display. there are plenty of people here on ATS that can distinguish between sensationalism and horrific truth.

Originally posted by juleol
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Maybe because the OP is claiming stuff about me and others that is pure fabricated lies or wild assumptions?
When i read such stories i feel sad and really want to educate others as well in the small hope that people wake up and try to make this a better world.
Seeing the world through only rose tinted glasses will do even less.

The personal mud slinging is what I'm pointedly ignoring and will say is far more an example of the problems than any choice in thread topics, in my personal view of things recently. It's not the first time I've said it but things always go ugly when debate goes from topic to individual.

I'm strictly referring to the point of the thread and by the OP post and how the thread was started...I really DO agree. The rest which isn't on topic to that doesn't detract from the original point, IMO.

Threads like the guy who seemingly had fun feeding one pet to a snake and outright killing another for the Internet to oogle and ogle are the kind of threads I think this was all about and certainly the ones I think of as the 'bad' we have to tolerate while enjoying all the good ATS offers.

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
Says who?

There are MANY members here who WANT to know whats going on.

How does it benefit you, in any way shape or form, to know that four people were offered as a human sacrifice in Mexico?

I will say it again; Google the definition of fear porn.

edit on 1-4-2012 by petrus4 because: (no reason given)

I can tell you very easily how it benefits me....

It tells me to not go to Mexico.

You can attach the word porn to anything.

Car porn.
Bridge porn.
Scenery porn.
Nature porn.
Airplane porn.

Rule 34: if something exists there's a porn version of it.

Sad but true.

reply to post by petrus4


Look - real crap is happening out there in the real world. If you choose not to look at it please do not look. The rest of us realists like to know the whole story of the globe and where other peoples heads are at - it's a gauge / it's a weather indicator of the human race from the low to the high. Inquiring minds want to know.

Just take a look at our prisons in America and the figures that spell out who's doing what to who. Our prisons have come to a new level of business in the U.S. and is another indicator for the human race. It's not rocket science, just don't look if you can't stand the truth and reality. You decide - but do not make the rest of us appear as goolish and horror seeking people. Some things that are posted are false and some, for the most part, are genuine stories - each to his or her own searching of human life stories.

Good luck

As many have said, simply move along past the threads you oppose.

I don't watch television, because most of it is crap.

I also carefully choose which threads to read. My only beef is when fair warning is NOT provided in the thread title or otherwise about graphic material.

I'd much rather I make the decision about what to consume than someone else deciding for me.

I understand your frustration, but the best thing you could do is continue to post with your own material and balance things out a bit.

reply to post by loam


this post right here son....sorry OP its not gonna stop, in fact this might just entice more stories,and "fear mongering" threads"....i understand the motto is deny ignorance...but its most definately at your own discretion and objectivity

I find this oh so amusing, if you see a title of a thread that you deem 'sick' then why on earth would you even read it? If it offends you so much, don't read it.


"Simples"