Pyramid = Electric Generator

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
reply to post by DavidWillts

 

the ten centimeter butter knife is not even scratching the surface of the reality of how they cut precise angles in blocks bigger than ten centimeters. that picture of the guy sawing something may as well have been wood as if you could actually do that and achieve what we see. your 'proofs' are not

What you said makes no sense. Something about a butter knife? The Egyptians had no butter knives, they had copper saws.

reply to post by MasonicFantom

I think it might take longer than that with diamond tipped saw not to mention horsepower

Moving stone by boat


From the ancient egyptians



Ancient Egyptian techniques

Again they didn't cut stones out they adjusted their size. They were bashed out or split out



Note in this picture of an unfinished obelisk - enough space for a man to use a diorite stone to bash out the outline

If we're using Egyptian drawings as evidence I'll use this: 1.bp.blogspot.com...
As proof that a giant jackal headed alien/god existed.
Some could even fly: linkedlearning.files.wordpress.com...
And some pharaohs (said to be demi-gods) and their children even had elongated skulls: upload.wikimedia.org...
www.thelivingmoon.com...
Here's how the one above would have looked: img.photobucket.com... (oh that's hot)
Ancient Egyptian literature does tells of sky gods using flying "boats" and teaching civilization + breeding with man to produce the earliest pharaoh lineages.

Thanks, you cleared everything up. That's why the Egyptians had no problem building their structures and didn't bother recording most of it. It was simply too easy with divine assistance. That Great Pyramid was probably slapped together in 20 minutes or less or your money back.

reply to post by Hanslune

they keep ignoring the fact that unfinished obelisk is still attached at the base. with a one meter trench on either side how were they supposed to release it from the bottom? and round stones don't make the marks you see gouged into the apex. and that drawing depicts a SMALL obelisk that was already made.


watch at 2:14 how they undercut the stone

reply to post by DavidWillts

that picture is one guy rubbing a butter knife back and forth on a slab of stone? all by himself with no more down pressure than his own strength? and how long do you think it would take him to do that? you guys don't get out much in the real world do you?

reply to post by bottleslingguy


they dug tunnels all around the obelisk to get underneath and work the under side free i believe.

reply to post by Biigs


They just undermine it, you can see a good example of that in the Rapa Nui quarry

Bottleslingguy

that picture is one guy rubbing a butter knife back and forth on a slab of stone? all by himself with no more down pressure than his own strength? and how long do you think it would take him to do that? you guys don't get out much in the real world do you?

We get out enough to know that a guy who no evidence to counter ours starting making stuff up. 'Butter knife' typical amateur faced with facts he doesn't like - acts like a child, lol

Not sure which image you were referring to but I suspect its the one showing a man using a saw on wood - which is clearly labeled as such, or is it another?

From experiments done on this question

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
If we're using Egyptian drawings as evidence I'll use this:

Just like us they had fantastic/religious drawings and serious ones, you can bury you head if you wish

Ancient Egyptian literature does tells of sky gods using flying "boats" and teaching civilization + breeding with man to produce the earliest pharaoh lineages.

Modern literature talks about wizards on flying broomsticks, many cultures having no memory of the thousands of years of their past made up such stories

Thanks, you cleared everything up. That's why the Egyptians had no problem building their structures and didn't bother recording most of it. It was simply too easy with divine assistance.

In a way they did have divine assistance, the motivation from their religion led them to do great things, just like the European spent centuries building a 100+ huge cathedrals - some taking centuries to complete.

Please show us the earliest record we have for building construction. You are simply repeating what a fringe website told you, So to help you think more clearly answer this. That statement makes it sound like such bulding plans are common place in the ancient world and that the lack of such for the pyramids is 'mysterious', Okay whats the first one we have?

reply to post by Hanslune


that's right, davidwilts was using it as proof of how they sawed ten ton blocks of stone. I figured it was wood, you should straighten him out about that.

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
reply to post by DavidWillts

 

that picture is one guy rubbing a butter knife back and forth on a slab of stone? all by himself with no more down pressure than his own strength? and how long do you think it would take him to do that? you guys don't get out much in the real world do you?

I still don't know what you are talking about butter knives for. What post are you referring to exactly?

reply to post by bottleslingguy


Why don't you link to it?

It would appear linking to easily verified and objective evidence on one's claims is a foreign concept.

Originally posted by DavidWillts
I still don't know what you are talking about butter knives for. What post are you referring to exactly?

don't you read your links?

Originally posted by DavidWillts
reply to post by bottleslingguy

 

I really wish you would be able to give a visual representation of the kind of saws they used to cut these actual sized blocks.

Here

the first picture

www.oocities.org...

I asked you what the saw would look like that can make precision cuts in granite 10'+ deep, accurate to a hair and leaves very little tooling marks? Is the saw fixed in place and the block moved through it on a jig or do they cut the finished sides by moving the saw? Is it a straight blade or a round blade? I've seen the History Channel depiction of the four guys pushing probably a 2 ton rectangular block against a huge wheel saw crank-powered by a couple guys which fails on so many levels it's not funny so don't pull that one on me. Did they smooth the stone after the saw left cut marks (which primitive copper saws would. and believe you me, they would need A LOT of these saws) or did they make such high quality copper saws that the cut was finish smooth?

I'm asking you for a visual representation of the kind of saw they used to cut the really big ones. cut through all the lame link bs and post a picture right here. Or better yet, you draw the thing yourself (since you are convinced they could pull it off), take a picture of it and upload it here so we can prove aliens didn't do it.

reply to post by DavidWillts

you actually think stick drawings are objective evidence? you think you've proven that you're right? you believe you've proven they could cut and shape (huge mind you) granite blocks with tools that have only been demonstrated on a much smaller scale and never through anything even remotely close? this has and will never be done no matter how much you pay people to do the work because copper saws can't do what we see has been done, I don't care if you use sand. The sand on the copper saw theory is ridiculous because the copper would still wear down before the stone was cut (2 million of them mind you) so how many of these super copper saws are we talking about here? A couple thousand? hundred thousand?

If the face of a block is ten feet across the saw has to be longer than that or if it was a round blade it would have to have a ten foot diameter, so I would like to see the kind of saw you're talking about

making precise cuts:



how easy it is to make a mistake even with modern machinery let alone copper hand saws:



this saw is fixed in place and the stone is being pushed through on a jig:



this one moves over the stone:



anything about copper saws cutting ten foot blocks?

reply to post by Hanslune

So you admit to selectively choosing Egyptian drawings (note: drawing /=/ photograph) to "prove" something but ignore others that are too "fantastic" for you. There's 3 logical fallacies in that. Rest of your post was just red herring but I'll address one part.

many cultures having no memory of the thousands of years of their past made up such stories

Not even possible to prove because such "fantastic stories" for all we know could have been true as they are impossible to prove false. Alien gods are quite physically possible actually and it's proven primitive man misidentifies technological objects (e.g. "flying boat" instead of "aircraft" since they lacked vocabulary for it). This was shown in modern history when a tribe of natives encountered white people and planes for the first time. The planes were "thunder birds" (that came from paradise) and the white people were "crafty demons" who fooled the thunder bird gods, stealing them from the natives. These natives did not "make up" a story, they simply misidentified an event that they had no concepts or vocabulary to explain.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
Alien gods are quite possible actually.

most probably

and p.s. way to wreck that guy with the logic stuff!

reply to post by bottleslingguy

the first picture

*facepalm
That link is to "let me google that for you" which is just another way of saying "instead of asking something so simple at least TRY to look it up first"

I asked you what the saw would look like that can make precision cuts in granite 10'+ deep, accurate to a hair and leaves very little tooling marks?

They are somewhat standard ancient Egyptian copper saws, The "accurate to a hair" part is somewhat wrong and misleading. First i would like to see where this "accurate to a hair" idea comes from and second you assume that all the blocks were cut the right way the very first time and were in no way reshaped afterwards.

Is the saw fixed in place and the block moved through it on a jig or do they cut the finished sides by moving the saw?

You didn't even look up what kind of saws they used did you? But they moved the saw, they were not pushing 2 ton blocks through a table saw.

Is it a straight blade or a round blade? I've seen the History Channel depiction of the four guys pushing probably a 2 ton rectangular block against a huge wheel saw crank-powered by a couple guys which fails on so many levels it's not funny so don't pull that one on me.

Yes that was a theory that did not work out for obvious reasons.

Did they smooth the stone after the saw left cut marks (which primitive copper saws would. and believe you me, they would need A LOT of these saws) or did they make such high quality copper saws that the cut was finish smooth?

In some cases they smoothed them out and in others you can clearly see the tool marks.

I'm asking you for a visual representation of the kind of saw they used to cut the really big ones. cut through all the lame link bs and post a picture right here.

Again each case is different. like the unfinished obelisk was closer to carving than cutting. I think you are not grasping the whole concept of what the quarrying process consisted of. Here this has lots of information to help clear things up.
www.ngu.no...

Or better yet, you draw the thing yourself (since you are convinced they could pull it off), take a picture of it and upload it here so we can prove aliens didn't do it.

We both know nothing will ever convince anyone that thinks aliens did it otherwise. But here you go some pics of saws.


Stone tools

reply to post by bottleslingguy

you actually think stick drawings are objective evidence?

When the "stick drawings" are from actual egytian art,yes

you believe you've proven they could cut and shape (huge mind you) granite blocks with tools that have only been demonstrated on a much smaller scale and never through anything even remotely close?

I have not proven anything people have been able to show how granite can be worked with copper saws and harder materials.

If the face of a block is ten feet across the saw has to be longer than that or if it was a round blade it would have to have a ten foot diameter

You are still assuming they cut the entire thing, in the quarrying process it consisted of mostly pounding out trenches in the rock and snaping them out with water and wood.