Why Abortion is a Sin

besides the Earth can abort its unborn into heaven any minute she wants.

thankfully she hasn't yet...

Man, there are some weird beliefs out there...

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by Hydroman

 

Sin is inevitable and impossible to avoid. All humans sin nearly constantly, in their thoughts and their actions. We are all walking sin and evil. Its really the whole point of Jesus the Christ.

So, yes, we SHOULD avoid sin, but sometimes sinning is inevitable.

Sin is from a point of view. I see it as karma. You do egoless things and egoparasitic things because you do not know better and do not have all the information you need. I do not call myself evil or good because that is not a absolute term. I am trying to be symbiotic with everyone that I can be symbiotic with. I know that I will do even egoparasitic things sometimes but I have my reasons for them and the funny thing is that they are not egoparasitic from my point of view. If there is a price to pay for my bad karma then I will pay it. Always have and always will. I will always try to fix my misstakes even if it causes me discomfort.

Sorry OP from my point of view at this moment in time it would be best if humans could not concive children at all. This is from a person that cannot stop smiling when I see them. This place have not evolved enought and I do not want anymore souls to suffer our unevolved society.

Originally posted by apushforenlightment
Sorry OP from my point of view at this moment in time it would be best if humans could not concive children at all. This is from a person that cannot stop smiling when I see them. This place have not evolved enought and I do not want anymore souls to suffer our unevolved society.

To stop having kids would not solve the problem. As you said, we have not evolved enough, so if we stop having kids as you wish, we will also stop evolving...

The biggest sin is pushing one's religious beliefs onto someone else. Every soul on this planet is entitled to their own beliefs. The subject of this thread is a moralistic one and which is, for most, defined by one's religious point of view. But one size doesn't fit all. If abortion is a sin for you then fine.

reply to post by justsaying

Like you said, if it is a sin to you then fine, but don't go blow up somebody because of your belief.

reply to post by Hydroman


That is my point exactly.

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Originally posted by justsaying
The biggest sin is pushing one's religious beliefs onto someone else. Every soul on this planet is entitled to their own beliefs. The subject of this thread is a moralistic one and which is, for most, defined by one's religious point of view. But one size doesn't fit all. If abortion is a sin for you then fine.

Wait a minute...

Isn't your post the epitome of what you deplore?
Aren't you pushing a highly religious belief here?

Are you absolutely sure that you are not becoming that which you despise?

A sin is when you betray yourself or others, or when you trample other's liberty. Saying things to people does not trample anything except maybe someones hollow opinions and fragile ego.

You cannot say that morality is subjective so accurately. There is a consensus aspect to our society and it is based mostly upon natural instincts, primarily the survival mechanism.

So you actually believe that maybe murder is bad and sinful in your or my opinion, but other people think it's all fine and dandy and we shouldn't judge them negatively?

I am afraid that your dislike of the official religious institutions and their dogmatic doctrines have misled you and given you the wrong impression about what "sin" is.

Originally posted by Hydroman
reply to post by justsaying

 

Like you said, if it is a sin to you then fine, but don't go blow up somebody because of your belief.

Why not?

Let's say I thought blowing up people was NOT a sin? ( I don't though ).
How dare you try and stop me you tyrants!

Hope you got a laugh out of the sarcasm there.

reply to post by muzzleflash


muzzleflash - Just because I am an axe murdering rapist pedophile and I have 75 dead bodies under my bed, does NOT mean I am sinful or bad.

Stop being so judgemental damnit!!

Abortion is not a sin. What a person does with their own body is their business. We have free will and some of us have been given the attribute of critical thinking. We are not subject to the victimization of biology anymore. We take pain relievers, get our tonsils out, have dental implants and bone graphs. We treat cancer with chemotherapy and vaccinate against Polio.

An unwanted pregnancy can be a torturous thing for a woman. The unholy little intruder, is not wanted and won't be loved during gestation or afterwards. There is a constant reminder of it's evil presence presented by morning sickness, heartburn, backaches, painful breast, swelling legs and ankles and much more. And that's a healthy pregnancy, some are life threatening to the mother.

Until you have experienced rape, incest or just an accident, that resulted in pregnancy, you can stay out of my uterus!

Originally posted by windword
Abortion is not a sin. What a person does with their own body is their business.

Let's take a case of Siamese twins for a good example, who have to share a heart and lungs.

If Siamese twin 1 wants to abort Siamese twin 2, is this legitimate? Are they considered as one biological entity since they share lungs and a heart? Or are they two separate individual entities and why?

Is it because each of them has a brain? Does this justify calling the Siamese twin "two separate people"?

What criteria do you decide that the Siamese Twin is one entity or two entities? Who has rights over the body? Is it an implied SHARED rights concept?

This is really important because whatever criteria you use here to determine the fate of the Siamese Twins, is also the same criteria that would apply when we are dealing with abortion issues.

So what criteria determines if a Siamese Twin is 2 people or 1 person? Does the Twin get 2 votes or one next election?

The answer to this question will allow you to determine if abortion is wrong or not.

I am firmly against abortion.

Well, apparently OP has been banned.

reply to post by ErroneousDylan


LOL. Apparantly talking smack to ATS mods is not the brightest idea...

Originally posted by Hydroman
Man, there are some weird beliefs out there...

mockery of Pegan roots? unlikely...

but it is littered in the songs one sings thru the decades.

the final song is a symphony of metaphor...

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by apushforenlightment
Sorry OP from my point of view at this moment in time it would be best if humans could not concive children at all. This is from a person that cannot stop smiling when I see them. This place have not evolved enought and I do not want anymore souls to suffer our unevolved society.

To stop having kids would not solve the problem. As you said, we have not evolved enough, so if we stop having kids as you wish, we will also stop evolving...

education and reward for civility is the key.

it says in the bible you are here to procreate... there's a battle going on to save mother earth, which the father has originally created for joy.

dbl post...

If you can say that abortion is a sin.

I can say the belief in angels and the surrounding mythologies are the province of silly people!!

I agree with you concerning the Spirit/Soul, but the body suit is something else. Those who have regressed or remember, say we enter much later, and some recall doing so after birth.

However, there are several accounts I recall and my own memory, not to mention science itself, fetal development.

I'll tackle that first. We are NOT our body! We borrow the suit! The body suit develops itself to a certain level before it can support advanced consciousness,

www.sciencedaily.com...

Talks about rem sleep in humans and in sheep.

www.leaderu.com...

The Road to Awareness
But when does the magical journey of consciousness begin? Consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells. Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation. Roughly two months later synchrony of the electroencephalographic (EEG) rhythm across both cortical hemispheres signals the onset of global neuronal integration. Thus, many of the circuit elements necessary for consciousness are in place by the third trimester

Now I don't completely trust the articles that much, because years ago before media was just repeaters for agenda, and real news was put out with many alternative views, and universities and researchers published more, it seemed that the Body Suit developed rapidly in the first trimester, and the second had to do with consiciousness and REM sleep, that was way earlier than the first link applied.

And then in the 20 week mark on, the baby was literally fine tuning, especially lung develoment, but some are born and survive at at that stage, like a remarkable young lady, who survived at 20 weeks as a miracle long before this was possible.

We're not created by our bodies and soul doesnt join when its boring and just body suit is being formed.