The Secret of Chi

reply to post by Starchild23


Your idea of what Chi is is completely off. The guy in the first video is a proven fake, who is using nothing but old chinese parlor tricks, NOT Chi. Furthermore, Dragonball sadly gives people the wrong idea about what Chi is.

It is not possible to shoot beams of Chi.

The concept of Chi is not a secret, there are abundant amounts of information available about it in books and on the internet. Stay away from the charlatans and read into Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) and Chi Kung practice.

Some concepts set forth by TCM and Chi Kung are being slowly accepted into western medicine, and sports practice; even if they carry different names and are viewed in a different manner. The western way of thought is very different from the eastern.

I think it is just another name for the same thing as your energy which flows all the time. Its about tapping into that energy, but more importantly WHAT you do with it. I agree it should not be side show, but that is a personal choice.

On another note I had my husband use his 'directed' energy (right palm) to my foot and knee yesterday (I had pinched a nerve in my knee, which gave me a numb spot on the top of my foot) and the heat directed through my foot and knee, and just barely felt, a small vibration, made it feel excellent. I said to him 'think clean/clear/flow. I had tried to work at it from the inside out a couple of times and wondered if having someone else do it would work better. The numb spot has more feeling this morning.

When you visualise sending good thoughts out to someone, that is also your chi/energy/spirit/soul you are directing.
All that is required is belief, unquestioned and it is real.
I repeat, WHAT you do with it is very important.

Anything is possible with qi control. You are basically using your mind (intention) to control a force of energy. I've been engrossed in Taoism and TCM my entire life. When I first started seeing my acupuncturist, he wanted to demonstrate the forceful abilities of qi to me. So, he had me stand still and started to do a qi gung infront of me. After a short bit, I felt what could only be described as invisible zigzagging lines channeling through my body. Then, I suddenly felt a large invisible wedge slide under my feet and I was lifted slightly in the air and fell backwards.

This was all done with him standing about two feet away from me.

Now, of course, this is not something a skilled master would do with anyone, and I'm not saying I deserved special privileges, but don't expect this to be a normal occasion. I felt highly honored for him to show me the possibilities of the mind.

Hey Star great thread and understandable.

Now Dargon B oh screw it

It is some what possible however for one not only has to master their chi energy flow. At the same time they must learn how to manipulate the atoms and other particles of energy which are around us.

That is the thing even science has little hints in it to allow us to control our energy better surprising I know

Picture scrambling everything you know about laws of physics and other knowledge that you learned over the years. Many think it is easy but it is hard the brain is like a giant computer and rewiring it to reinstall the system. So basically deprogramming yourself takes a long time.

But indeed good concept and a good thread

This is not meant to be a put down on Chi, or TK, or the Force. Its just that a video was linked to me that made question some of what is going on with some people, some of the time. These subtle energy faces or entities can be seen in clouds, in pictures in your back yard at night if you use the doge or burn tool in photoshop or the gimp, mountains have them, the far side of the moon.

And when I saw this video I just kind of freaked.


Levitation Training with Psi Wheel

If you pause the video at 1 26 then I took a snapshot and used burning tool to bring out just 3 of what I was seeing, really there is alot more, but overlapping and kind beehive.

This is just a quick dodge highlights and burn shadows in messy mode. It could have focused on one at a time too.



I think there is an element involved so really keeping pure of heart is necessary.

reply to post by Starchild23

The people in the vids are probably actors. One thing is certain: the Chi, Qi, Prana, Kundalini or universal life-force (the Same force under different names) is perfectly real. Personally, I became aware of it, without searching for it at all, by the practice of Sri Aurobindo's Integral Yoga (with a special emphasis on Jnana Yoga) and the practice of hand mudras. Once you understand how to "summon" it, you can use it to heal yourself and the pharmaceutical remedies become a big big joke...

I doubt that it can be used to wound someone...

Originally posted by D1ss1dent
reply to post by Starchild23

 

The people in the vids are probably actors. One thing is certain: the Chi, Qi, Prana, Kundalini or universal life-force (the Same force under different names) is perfectly real. Personally, I became aware of it, without searching for it at all, by the practice of Sri Aurobindo's Integral Yoga (with a special emphasis on Jnana Yoga) and the practice of hand mudras. Once you understand how to "summon" it, you can use it to heal yourself and the pharmaceutical remedies become a big big joke...

I doubt that it can be used to wound someone...

I was waiting for a skeptic to pop in.

Every remedy is a chemical reaction creating a specific combination of vibrations within the body that changes the molecular structure of the organism. The same result can be achieved through changing the molecular structure with your own energy, simply by using it to adjust the vibrations of the cells within your body at will.

Once you harness it, you can project the energy beyond your body...although you must have a sufficient amount of energy within your body to do so...just as you must have a sufficient amount of powder within the cannon to fire the cannonball.

reply to post by Starchild23



There is so much more to remedies than vibrations.

Your assumption is very limited. Even if you reduce everything that happens in the human body to a sub-quantum level and look at it as a purely vibrational entity, there is still an amazingly complex system of different effects that it would require such incredible precision, awareness, timing and the ability to transmute substances by changing their vibrations on such a minute level that modern physics has only touched upon it in mathematical theory.

In other words, it would take more than several life-times of practice in awareness and an incredibly high level of enlightenment and control that would make it virtually impossible.

Although I can understand this in theory, I highly doubt any human being has ever been capable of such a feat, at least not on a rational level. The only way I see that this could be possible is if this is something the human body is capable of doing without the need of rational thought to guide it.

reply to post by fedeykin


I just thought about what I wrote, and there is still a missing link for being able to do anything with your mind such as curing yourself of diseases that your natural immune system isnt built for curing; or changing things in your body where there is no apparatus present for doing so.

What is missing is the "hand" so to say. The brain can think of doing many things, but you need hands in order to carry them out, even if it is something as simple as moving an object from point A to point B.

What is the tool your brain uses to change vibrations, or to modify your DNA or to control your life force(Chi)?

In Chi Kung the answer is that the Chi moves with your awareness and your blood. But this does not imply the ability to change anything beyong pointing it to where you want it, and that is also the main application of it in Martial Arts or Traditional Chinese Medicine. This also doesn't apply to changing any frequencies in your body or modifying your DNA.

reply to post by Starchild23

A skeptic, me? It's the first time i hear that . I maintain my position: pharmaceutical remedies are a big big joke compared to what the "force" we're talking about can do. You'll probably have the opportunity to realize it someday. Ideas and experiences are two entirely different things... And you'll not need to be preoccupied by molecules, dna, pranayamas and chakras at all.

Originally posted by mrmedinet
reply to post by Starchild23

 

Chi is not about dragon ball Z...that is very well stated indeed.

And I always wondered what dragon ball Z meant, now I know it's the opposite of Chi.

It's not. It's an exaggeration of chi...just like those old martial arts movies.

Originally posted by D1ss1dent
reply to post by Starchild23

 

A skeptic, me? It's the first time i hear that

. I maintain my position: pharmaceutical remedies are a big big joke compared to what the "force" we're talking about can do. You'll probably have the opportunity to realize it someday. Ideas and experiences are two entirely different things... And you'll not need to be preoccupied by molecules, dna, pranayamas and chakras at all.

edit on 29-3-2012 by D1ss1dent because: (no reason given)

Pharmaceutical remedies are a joke. I do not contest that.

Actually, I believe that all of those things correlate to chi. We don't know nearly enough of the metaphysical realm of the human body to decide these matters.

Originally posted by XelNaga
reply to post by Starchild23

 

oh my god youre completely ignoring what i said.

DRAGON BALL IS BASED OFF THE CONCEPT OF CHI, ENERGY FLOW, AND SO FORTH. THIS IS ALL I WAS POINTING OUT. DRAGON BALL IS INFLUENCED BY THE IDEA OF CHI. DRAGON BALL IS INSPIRED BY THE IDEA OF CHI.

YOU USED DRAGON BALL AS AN EXAMPLE IN YOUR OP. I WAS EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER SEEN DRAGON BALL THE RELEVANCE OF IT TO YOUR THREAD. SIMPLE AS THAT!

now that its all in caps lock, do you understand now?

jesus christ dude i was doing nothing but agreeing with you to begin with. how are you going to warp what i said?

dragon ball is a cartoon yes, but its based off the idea and principles of something quite possibly exists in real life.

if you brought up yu yu hakisho id say the same thing. there is so much based on the concept of chi and energy...sorry for explaining to people what the hell you meant when using dragon ball as an example

I have been very polite when communicating with you, but now you are toeing the line. Please speak respectfully and intelligently on this thread, or I will no longer bother responding to you.

Also, try anger management classes. It would appear you are in need of them.

Originally posted by fedeykin
reply to post by Starchild23

 

There is so much more to remedies than vibrations.

Your assumption is very limited. Even if you reduce everything that happens in the human body to a sub-quantum level and look at it as a purely vibrational entity, there is still an amazingly complex system of different effects that it would require such incredible precision, awareness, timing and the ability to transmute substances by changing their vibrations on such a minute level that modern physics has only touched upon it in mathematical theory.

In other words, it would take more than several life-times of practice in awareness and an incredibly high level of enlightenment and control that would make it virtually impossible.

Although I can understand this in theory, I highly doubt any human being has ever been capable of such a feat, at least not on a rational level. The only way I see that this could be possible is if this is something the human body is capable of doing without the need of rational thought to guide it.

edit on 29-3-2012 by fedeykin because: (no reason given)

Energy is vibration. Everything vibrates.

I would go so far as to suggest that perhaps you are not as knowledgeable as you believe yourself to be. However, there is always a time to learn.

Originally posted by Starchild23


Energy is vibration. Everything vibrates.

I would go so far as to suggest that perhaps you are not as knowledgeable as you believe yourself to be. However, there is always a time to learn.

Yes, everything vibrates thats great. But how do you propose to alter vibrations? What is the tool you believe is capable of doing so?

You can control your muscles by nerve impulse. You can control your heart rate with breath. How do you control shifts of vibrations on a scale that is far beyond sub atomic and so minute that modern physics can only theorize about how it works?

You are right, I do not know how this works.

reply to post by fedeykin


The only way I know of is through meditation and focusing your yi consciousness to your navel area. Easier said than done. Chi masters have been practicing this way for thousands of years. Too much theorizing and scientific rationalization tend to be counter-productive.

reply to post by ChiForce



Sitting in Zazen is not the same as altering your vibrations for self healing.

My point being: Even when through practice you learn to control the movement of your Chi by focus and meditation, any healing done through this would not be a cognitive effort of healing, rather a by product of directing your energy to a specific part of your body.


Also, according to Traditional Chinese Medicine, you heal yourself by restoring balance to the energy systems in your body, not by altering your vibrations. It is done by removing surpluses and supporting scarcity as well as restoring a clean flow by removing blockages.

reply to post by fedeykin


Is this "vibration" a new age concept? I don't recall reading anything in Chi meditation or Tai Chi practice mentioning about "vibration." However, Yi consciousness is essential to move your chi where you want it to go, internally and externally.

reply to post by ChiForce


Here is a good site to somewhat explain what is Yi consciousness and why it is vital in understanding how to activate and control the chi energy.

www.chikung-unlimited.com...

I, by no means, understand that clearly. In due times, maybe my meditation progress would advance so much I can better explain how to activate and direct the chi internally and externally.

Originally posted by ChiForce
reply to post by fedeykin

 

Is this "vibration" a new age concept? I don't recall reading anything in Chi meditation or Tai Chi practice mentioning about "vibration." However, Yi consciousness is essential to move your chi where you want it to go, internally and externally.

It was a concept put forth by another poster, Starchild. I guess it is new age, but you would have to ask her.

I was discussing it trying to understand the concept and relating it to what I know.