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Originally posted by AutOmatIc
Um, nope not at all mate. It's just funny how everyone automatically assumes that "oh the FBI is corrupt" or blames everything on our government being corrupt here without acknowledging the fact that yes, there are people in the world whoand our way of life and want to kill people.
detest our freedoms
edit on 28-3-2012 by AutOmatIc because: Iran
It is racist to assume that those "skinnies" overseas are incapable of hating you enough to coordinate operations against you.
Why would it be any different with terrorists, even garden variety ones like kkk or the black panthers?
Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
ORLY?
So hate groups are terrorists now?
Does that include Militias too?
Remember that Michigan Militia charged with sedition?
www.abovetopsecret.com...edit on 28-3-2012 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
It is naive and illogical to assume those those "skinnies" could pull off such a huge operation undetected and intricately, ......
Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
It is naive and illogical to assume those those "skinnies" could pull off such a huge operation undetected and intricately, ......
Gotcha. That's racism. right there.
Many of the third worlders hold engineering and business degrees; with focus on project management and systems analysis. They study complex topics at our universities, and are quite capable of the intellectual effort required. As for stealthiness.... you don't even believe they exist!
And that's no MacGuffin.edit on 28-3-2012 by dr_strangecraft because: (no reason given)
Some of them are, when they try to start a race war, or start a civil war.
The American Civil War battles started with the Confederate forces attacking the Union military installment at Fort Sumter in South Carolina on April 12, 1861.
The Order - they robbed banks, murdered armored car drivers, blew up a synagogue, and murdered a jewish talk show host.
Aryan Republican Army robbed 22 banks, and close personal friends with Timothy McVeigh
Republic of Texas - encouraged members not to pay debts, filed fraudulent titles in courts; kidnapped 2 hostages to for a "prisoner exchange" to gain the release of several members, and planned an assassination plot against President Clinton.
All of these groups tried to use fear as a weapon. so yeah, terrorists.
Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
Who are they ? You mean religious extremists? Oh yeah they exist especially in the USA,
Do people want to kill Americans because we are bombing them and embargoing them and occupying them? Of course, I would feel the same way.
However there are Americans as disgruntled with our own tyranny as well, but all we hear about is Muslim's and how they all want to kill us.
Yet no terrorist attacks after 911,...
yet no tangible proof to prove who orchestrated 911.
if being skeptical is racist then guilty as charged.
Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
So murder and bank robbery are acts of terrorism? ,,,,, LOL these are hate crimes in blowing up a synagogue or murdering a jew or is there a difference?
I guess my answer would be the first response, refusal to pay debts and inspiring others well that seems to be pretty petty of a crime.
Kidnapping is just crime as it is illegal. Conspiracy to murder a politician is more so Coup d'état in nature then terrorism itself.
We did not hear people scream "terrorism" when Kennedy was assassinated did we?
Nobody does it better the the Homeland
Originally posted by AutOmatIc
Originally posted by intrptr
Imagine the Government needing justification for all the blanket civil liberties violations legislation by fomenting domestic terrorism at home. It would fit. Without going into all the details, I guess trolling for "terrorists" in a "poor neighborhood" might work. And then what a story. FBI gallantly foils domestic terror plot! See, See! We need all the police state you can dish out. Thankyou for protecting us one more time!
Not this time, however...
And the media will wait patiently for the next one.
Is is so hard to believe that there might actually be sleeper cells in the U.S.? Real trained operatives that at a given moment could unleash a tidal wave of suicide bombings and other crazy acts of terror?
In 2004 the FBI suggested that al-Qaida sleeper cells were believed to be operating in 40 states, awaiting orders and funding for new attacks on U.S. soil. The bureau believed that these agents were being funded “by millions of dollars solicited by an extensive network of bogus charities and foundations,” with the cells using “Muslim communities as cover and places to raise cash and recruit sympathizers.” U.S. law-enforcement authorities claimed to have satellite photos and communications intercepts that documented between 60 and 70 camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and in Pakistan. Still, finding sleeper-cell terrorists is very difficult, especially with the presumption of innocence and extensive legal rights and civil liberties granted suspects under U.S. law.
Sleeper cells in America
...but nooo that can't be possible...go back to sleeeeep...watch the next episode of the Walking Dead, be entertained, be distracted...meanwhile while people still are all about Al-CIA-duh, they have no idea about the Lashkar or LeT:
India’s then National Security Adviser M. K. Narayanan, for instance, warned, on August 11, 2006, “The Lashkar (LeT) today has emerged as a very major force. It has connectivity with west Asia, Europe... Actually there was a LeT module broken (sic) in Virginia and some people were picked up. It is as big as and omnipotent as al Qaeda in every sense of the term.” Again, on April 21, 2010, he reiterated, “The LeT has networks in 21 countries, including Australia, North America, Europe and Asia."
Pakistani jihad group
It is true that not all American Muslims are extremists, but that does not mean that they don't exist, or communicate and are not well funded. So, yea, there are reasons why the FBI might be watching these people, and trying to figure out what they are up to, so that you can continue to buy slurpees at your local 7-11 without fear that some extremist will blow it up in the name of Allah and for Jihad! If that means they must employ underhanded techniques such as informants and setups well, so be it. Welcome to the world of terror!
Originally posted by gladtobehere
Khalifah al-Akili emailed the Guardian shortly before his arrest to say he thought he was the target of an 'entrapment' sting
So let me get this straight. The FBI using the exact same tactics as before, offers to "train and arm" the suspect. Realizing that this is a setup, the suspect sends out a blast e-mail to the media and makes some phone calls detailing his suspicions.
Originally posted by AutOmatIc
reply to post by Swills
Also, the man sent paranoid emails saying he was being "entrapped" ...seriously? Innocent people don't send out paranoid emails to other people saying they are being set up unless they ARE feeling guilty for something.
A man prosecutors characterized as a longtime Taliban sympathizer was ordered detained Friday on charges that he possessed a rifle despite a past felony conviction for drug-dealing.
Khalifa Ali Al-Akili, 34, of Wilkinsburg, formerly known as James Marvin Thomas Jr., held the rifle at an unidentified shooting range in July 2010, according to photos, a video and testimony before U.S. Magistrate Judge Robert C. Mitchell. The photos and video came from an email obtained by the Department of Homeland Security, according to an affidavit filed in the case.
When agents went to arrest Mr. Akili on Thursday, he ran, but was caught at the door to the Allegheny County Housing Authority apartment building in which he lives, as he tried to punch in a door code.
When they searched his house, they found unspecified "jihadist literature and books on U.S. military tactics," FBI Special Agent Joseph M. Bieshelt testified.
Mr. Akili is known to have expressed sympathy for the Afghan resistance movement in a 2005 conversation with a man he knew in prison, Agent Bieshelt said.
He has in the past told federal informants that he had plans to go to Pakistan and join the Taliban, Agent Bieshelt said. And he was recorded in December saying "that he was developing somebody to possibly strap a bomb on himself," said the agent.
Mr. Akili's attorney, Michael Healey, said his client has Bibles in his house, too, and said, "there's nothing to the jihadi thing." He suggested that Mr. Akili had not gone to the Middle East, Afghanistan or Pakistan since making the statements, suggesting they were bluster.
He said that no guns or ammunition were found in Mr. Akili's house, and added that the new father had recently been the subject of an apparent law-enforcement sting.
"They have sent a number of informants to try to get him to sell weapons to the informants," Mr. Healey said, but Mr. Akili rebuffed them.
Mr. Healey said Mr. Akili identified the informants as the same men investigators used to infiltrate the so-called Newburgh Four -- New York men who were convicted after recorded conversations suggested that they were plotting to blow up synagogues.
Assistant U.S. Attorney James Wilson said that Mr. Akili has a history of fighting with police in incidents in 1999 and 2006, and failing to show up for court hearings. He is the subject of 16 outstanding warrants, mostly for minor infractions, he said.
Judge Mitchell weighed evidence, noting that Mr. Akili has a wife who is Somali with a United Kingdom citizenship. The judge found him to be a flight risk and a danger to the community. He will be held without bond pending trial.
Originally posted by jacobe001
Originally posted by AutOmatIc
Um, nope not at all mate. It's just funny how everyone automatically assumes that "oh the FBI is corrupt" or blames everything on our government being corrupt here without acknowledging the fact that yes, there are people in the world whoand our way of life and want to kill people.
detest our freedoms
edit on 28-3-2012 by AutOmatIc because: Iran
I can't believe you just said that they destest our "freedoms" with a straight face so to speak while they are being trampled on from every direction.
Were less free now than many other countries in the world if you care to look around.
Don't bother bringing up some third world dictatorship (though were close, where oligarch's control our government now)
How about comparing our freedoms to other first world nations eh?
Lots of foreigners I talk to say, we can keep our "freedoms" as were being groped by the TSA, Police State Thugs and many people thrown in prison for victimless crimes, of which we top the world in.
Originally posted by AutOmatIc
Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by AutOmatIc
Dude you sound very terrified.
Maybe take that visor off? It's blocking your vision.
Um, nope not at all mate. It's just funny how everyone automatically assumes that "oh the FBI is corrupt" or blames everything on our government being corrupt here without acknowledging the fact that yes, there are people in the world who detest our freedoms and our way of life and want to kill people. So when they do a sting operation you can bet your bottom dollar that there is good reason and evidence for it that may never see the light of day...such as phone calls, emails, financial records that connect the dots and give them a reason to do what they do. Classified intel, is just that...classified. And they do have reasons for keeping it that way.
Not everything is a false flag, or a conspiratorial setup.
edit on 28-3-2012 by AutOmatIc because: Iran
Originally posted by Qspeedyrock
If this guy was a real terrorist and not just a victim he would not have contacted the paper but probably lead the agents to a deserted spot where he would have executed them.