PENNSYLVANIA LAW: Forces Doctors to HIDE what makes some of their patients sick!

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by loam

 

ok lets tone the rhetoric down just a little bit.

Obviously, the "recipe" for the fracking fluid is proprietary information. This is information, that if it were to be made public, would put the company at an economic disadvantage.

Just as obviously, if a person suspects this symptoms may be related to fracking fluid, a doctor would need to know the exact "recipe" to properly diagnose the patient.

What this law does is order the company to release the recipe to a doctor upon request but places the doctor responsible for not revealing the exact recipe.

There is NOTHING that stops the doctor from telling a patient that he has symptoms that appear to be related to exposure to fracking fluid and recommending treatment options. (or from telling the patient that his symptoms cannot be possibly caused by the fracking fluid used by a local company).

We really don't need the melodrama here.

Its like a doctor acquiring the recipe for fig newtons to be able to diagnose a patient who claims to be allergic to flour. The doctor needs to confirm that the company uses flour in the recipe but the patient has not need to know what the exact recipe is.

Tired of Control Freaks

The chemical process is hardly proprietary, any first year chemist will be able to figure out what the stuff is. They aren't protecting anything of the sort, as I imagine a simply google search will turn up most of the ingredients but not in the concentrations.

The effort was inserted by lawyers. It is very clear that the reason for the effort is to prevent a connection be made between the chemical and an illness, which has the de facto effect of preventing lawsuits where the doctor's testimony is key. A doctor, once receiving the information under the "health" premise is then bound by contract to NOT testify in court as to the nature of either the treatment or the chemical's effect. This means that there will be NO studies done by a doctor on the effects, no way to collaborate with other doctors, in the end making a lawsuit for becoming ill or dying from Fracking chemicals all but impossible as for the key witness to testify he'd have to subject himself to a lawsuit not covered by malpractice.

The effect essentially means you'll never find a doctor in the area that will even ask, as the potential lawsuit will stop any investigation. It was incredibly smart, a perfect solution: you can have the information but I doubt you'll want it because we'll ruin your life if you get it - we'll just say the information leaked from you and civil law in practice usually means you'll have to prove you didn't leak it.

The others complaints here run along the more banal like: "if it is found that the chemicals cause flesheating death, Doctor's just have to watch people die rather then speak out."

reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks


Completely correct. DENY ignorance, don't play into it. Sometimes, this actually requires research.

The confidentiality clause is designed to prevent proprietary information from reaching the general public. A doctor informing patients, Miskin said, does not constitute public disclosure as outlined in the bill.

Read more: community.nasdaq.com...

So the gov't can spy on our phone calls, emails, chats, etc. They can detain me indefinitely without trial or due process, they can scan me with x-ray vans/trucks, and a million other bs things...

But I am not even allowed to know what is poisoning me or my neighborhood IF that information could harm a large corporation?

I don't believe in the Devil but it sure does look like it is a plausible scientific possibility at this point.

Don't you love living in a world of mindless slaves who are willing to do anything no matter how evil or treacherous just to make a few dollars $$?

Well if it's legal for all of these people spy on your, disappear you, torture you, poison your family, etc. Than does it matter what is legal or illegal anymore? Really? The law has become such a farce that no good person will take it seriously anymore.

I hate to say this but, it looks like individual human beings are going to have to take matters into their own hands and solve these problems the hard way. I have bit my tongue for over a decade and told people calm down, just wait it out and take a defensive stance. But it hasn't worked and isn't working. It's just allowing the corporate establishment to pick us off one at a time...

Someone needs to stand up and put and end to this treachery. Law or no law.

It doesn't surprise me one bit. I have to put another sentence in because they don't want one liners so am writing this second sentence.

Originally posted by Gridrebel
reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks

 

Completely correct. DENY ignorance, don't play into it. Sometimes, this actually requires research.

The confidentiality clause is designed to prevent proprietary information from reaching the general public. A doctor informing patients, Miskin said, does not constitute public disclosure as outlined in the bill.

Read more: community.nasdaq.com...

It's illogical because if that proprietary information gets inside of my body due to corporate negligence I earned the rights to know exactly what it is! Why? Because it's inside me!

Do I not have a right to know what is put into my body?

If not...I guess that means I don't own my body anymore, and instead some corporation gets primary rights over the fate of my existence.

Someone get me some tar and feathers...

It amazes me how people can read things and insert their own meaning into them. The law clearly states that the doctor may use the information in respect to dealing with the medical emergency. The only place it states that informing the patient is not part of dealing with the medical emergency is what has been added by people with low reading comprehension. Part of dealing with the medical emergency is explaining what it is and what happened to the patient. It prevents disclosure to the public and people not related to the medical emergency. Further once the patient knows what it is they are not bound by this law. This is a paper tiger designed to scare people. It has succeeded.

sb

Watch this video and switch every word "Marketing or Advertisement" with "Gas/Oil Company Employees".

Viewer discretion advised explicit language:


That message should be suffice.

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by loam

 

Its like a doctor acquiring the recipe for fig newtons to be able to diagnose a patient who claims to be allergic to flour. The doctor needs to confirm that the company uses flour in the recipe but the patient has not need to know what the exact recipe is.

Tired of Control Freaks

If theres a line in there that says my healthcare professional cant tell me its killer fig newtons thats got me sick theres something definately wrong here.

fracking is the final raping of the land and the people and it doesn't surprise me that they also want imunity for the illness that follows. as a PA resident this is appalling and i will be looking at who the hell voted for such a disgraceful amendment.

Originally posted by safetyblack
It amazes me how people can read things and insert their own meaning into them. The law clearly states that the doctor may use the information in respect to dealing with the medical emergency. The only place it states that informing the patient is not part of dealing with the medical emergency is what has been added by people with low reading comprehension. Part of dealing with the medical emergency is explaining what it is and what happened to the patient. It prevents disclosure to the public and people not related to the medical emergency. Further once the patient knows what it is they are not bound by this law. This is a paper tiger designed to scare people. It has succeeded.

sb

edit on 28-3-2012 by safetyblack because: changed "he" to "they"

I disagree.

This isn't a paper tiger...it's a billion plus metric tons of industrial waste material.
It's a global issue, especially affecting North America currently.

It reveals the level of coordination and cooperation between corporate interests and government authority, and shows us exactly how much power the citizenry has, which is not very much.

The textbook definition of fascism is when the corporate powers and government powers merge and pursue the same agenda jointly outside of citizen oversight. And historically that agenda was to gain absolute power and to dominate the politics, economy, military, cultures, etc of the nations it occurred within and to repress any civil resistance to that agenda.

What do you think is happening?

If there is a law that states my doctor cannot give me critically important information about exactly what made me sick and how I got sick with it, than I cannot sue the responsible parties for negligence and endangerment.

If I cannot sue or press charges against my aggressors, I have no recourse, except for the more 'primitive' and drastic options.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by safetyblack

If I cannot sue or press charges against my aggressors, I have no recourse, except for the more 'primitive' and drastic options.

it feels good to still have them.

reply to post by nixie_nox

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Centralia

I couldn't recall the significance of the name, so I had to look it up.

Centralia, Pennsylvania

Yup. Now I understand your point more clearly.

Originally posted by Huggiesunrise

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by loam

 

Its like a doctor acquiring the recipe for fig newtons to be able to diagnose a patient who claims to be allergic to flour. The doctor needs to confirm that the company uses flour in the recipe but the patient has not need to know what the exact recipe is.

Tired of Control Freaks

If theres a line in there that says my healthcare professional cant tell me its killer fig newtons thats got me sick theres something definately wrong here.

It would mean that the company selling fig newtons took over the legislative apparatus of the nation and used it to protect their industry at the detriment to everyone else.

They "legalized" lying, deceit, murder, etc. (For themselves only, not for us chattel).

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by loam

 

Its like a doctor acquiring the recipe for fig newtons to be able to diagnose a patient who claims to be allergic to flour. The doctor needs to confirm that the company uses flour in the recipe but the patient has not need to know what the exact recipe is.

No it is nothing like Fig Newtons - a complete list of ingredients will not lead to the ability to reverse engineer
anything. Ratio and processing is just as key... What are you defending??? I hope they frack your
water supply up so you can experience some growth in your cognition.

Originally posted by Gridrebel
reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks

 

Completely correct. DENY ignorance, don't play into it. Sometimes, this actually requires research.

The confidentiality clause is designed to prevent proprietary information from reaching the general public. A doctor informing patients, Miskin said, does not constitute public disclosure as outlined in the bill.

Read more: community.nasdaq.com...

What Stephen Miskin, spokesman for the Pennsylvania House Republican Caucus, says about the law is IRRELEVANT to the express language found in the actual statute.

DENY ignorance indeed.

Originally posted by Gridrebel
Sometimes, this actually requires research.

Which you appear to have done little of, beyond reading a single article.

:shk:

Originally posted by braindeadconservatives

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by loam

 

Its like a doctor acquiring the recipe for fig newtons to be able to diagnose a patient who claims to be allergic to flour. The doctor needs to confirm that the company uses flour in the recipe but the patient has not need to know what the exact recipe is.

No it is nothing like Fig Newtons - a complete list of ingredients will not lead to the ability to reverse engineer
anything. Ratio and processing is just as key... What are you defending??? I hope they frack your
water supply up so you can experience some growth in your cognition.

if you cannot see what this person is defending, i hope we never have the chance to meet.

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by nixie_nox

 

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Centralia

I couldn't recall the significance of the name, so I had to look it up.

Centralia, Pennsylvania

Yup. Now I understand your point more clearly.

Centralia is a very interesting example of industrial disaster and the folly of mankind. There are also many other well known coal mine fires that have been raging for many decades around the world. Also check out Darvaz in Uzbekistan where a gas deposit leaked and they set it on fire to burn it off safely but the fire has been going for many years...



There is a major difference here though. Centralia and Darvaz are both ACCIDENTS. They were never meant to happen and it was not suppose to happen!

Fracking is NOT an accident. It is intentional, premeditated, planned and coordinated.
Both are environmental disasters but one is on purpose and the others are accidental!

reply to post by muzzleflash


I see that you do disagree. Perhaps it is because you are still stating that the Dr. can not inform the patient. This is false. The Dr. can inform the patient. I believe that is where we disagree.

We do agree that what we are witnessing globally(especially in America) is the rise of fascism masked by "democracy".

What we have in America is a bastardized form of capitalism. The descriptive names for it are many. I like nationalized corporatism. It is anything but capitalism. Socialism is far from the answer. The only real capitalism I see anymore is usually related to the "black market".

I would argue that we have been running away from capitalism at lightning speeds and instead are experiencing the inevitable corruption and fascism that is the hall mark of socialism. Government is the problem. We need to stop feeding it.

Somewhere along the line the people have forgotten that all the wonderful gifts that are promised to them in exchange for a vote are really just coming from themselves.

sb

Who is going to reverse engineer a toxic cesspool called "fracking fluid" anyways? That is so absurd...

A citizen? Some random guy is going to find out how to make fracking fluid and will then somehow magically get access to the ingredients with a hundred high level corporate contracts, then will somehow magically acquire a drilling team, truckers to haul the materials, etc. Then suddenly they have a place to frack because you know those contracts grow on trees right?

Yeah, someones really going to steal this information and take over the fracking industry...

Whatever. Anyone with google can find tons of official data sheets revealing exactly what is in these 'fracking fluids', even the concentration % amounts. There are dozens of chemicals, many of them highly toxic. Google term "fracking fluid chemicals", and check through the 'images' also for these documents and graphs.

It should be plainly apparent to the citizens what this is really about. It's about preventing any citizens who get harmed by this process from suing the gas companies for compensation in a court of law.

But it's much deeper than this also. See many of these companies create "dummy companies" in order to shift legal liability away from the primary corporate entity. By creating these fake 'dummy companies', you will be chasing ghosts and trying to sue some nobody-nothing group which has no money anyways. These dummy companies are designed to go bankrupt and fail once the 'job is done'.

We need to go up the chain of command to the top, that's where the real criminals behind this are. Also, I would consider some sort of punishment for the shareholders as a reasonable course as well. Anyone with shares in these types of companies should have all their shares confiscated and liquidated for funding to pay for the clean up and medical costs associated with this disaster.

BUT, with laws like this coming out, there will be no way to get compensation for the victims now will there?

never stops to amaze me the trolls and idiots that turn up on every single thread trying to make out like everything is ok. You could start a thread saying 2+2=4 and they'll still be there doing the same old thing as they always do, it's getting so boring seeing people jumping in trying to discredit threads and make out like there's nothing to see when, to anyone with even a tiny brain, there obviously is.

I hope these people get what they deserve further on in life.

This thread is another great example of how screwed up life is and it screws my mind to think any person could reply to this thread and try to make out that it's not that bad and nothing to see here.

It looks like nothing will ever change until the awakened ones decide to come together and take action into their own hands and forcibly destroy their governments and get rid of them.