Atheists: A hypothetical question

Originally posted by paradox

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
straight from the gift horse's mouth (I am 100% responsible oops)

listen what mr atheist has to say about God... (his comment is at the end)

edit on 27-3-2012 by SisyphusRide because: (no reason given)

What? All that video did was show that Dahmer's parents failed to instill any sense of accountability to his actions during his childhood.

Nothing to do with atheism

it is pretty much everything that is being talked about... "authority" "godlessness" "fault in parents" "outcome"

aaaand..... his God comment at the end.

Originally posted by SisyphusRide


do I have to post information for you that the sky is blue and how we determined that before science explained it?

Yes, please do.

Because there is nothing that says the sky is blue beyond the color that we agree it is.
Colors have no meaning, they are human constructs. Just like God.

science IS explaining violence and the mind of a serial killing atheist

Yes they are also explaining the great majority of serial killers are religious, which you are ignoring

Originally posted by SisyphusRide

it is pretty much everything that is being talked about... "authority" "godlessness" "fault in parents" "outcome"

aaaand..... his God comment at the end.

I have no belief in god.

I also have a sense of right and wrong.

There goes your theory.

the strangest thing about all Jeffrey's alike is they know of God, he is there at birth... then the rebellious child rejects God so that they may sin or have pleasure in some way in doing wrong.

the simple act of rejecting God leads to many possible outcomes, violence being the most popular because it is still so in our nature to be destroyers.

education and empathy has to be taught both alike and that reduces overall violence.

like was said... snagging them all up off the street and reforming them only has a 3% reduction, science still searches for the gene to eradicate and they also (pop the question to Dahmer) if he thinks it is genetic... his answer was 'no'

everything I am talking about for a few days now can be heard in that 5 minute clip

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
the strangest thing about all Jeffrey's alike is they know of God, he is there at birth... then the rebellious child rejects God so that they may sin or have pleasure in some way in doing wrong.

No one knows of God at birth lol!
It is taught to you!

like was said... snagging them all up off the street and reforming them only has a 3% reduction,

That is because atheism is not a problem. Religion is.

science still searches for the gene to eradicate and they also (pop the question to Dahmer) if he thinks it is genetic... his answer was 'no'

Science is not searching for an atheist gene.
They know what causes religion. There is nothing that 'causes' atheism

Hence why they can 'cure' religion, but not make someone religious! Religion is not normal.

I watched your video, now you can watch mine.

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That video was pretty outrageous. Vaccines are bad enough as they are, now they want to try to vaccinate behavior?

When will people realize materialism and selfishness will be the demise of the human race? Religions not the problem, greed and secular humanism is the problem

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but you're missing the point...

"God IS authority"

Originally posted by Iason321
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That video was pretty outrageous. Vaccines are bad enough as they are, now they want to try to vaccinate behavior?

When will people realize materialism and selfishness will be the demise of the human race? Religions not the problem, greed and secular humanism is the problem

I don't think removing the godless gene which leads to violence and breaking of authority can be manipulated at this point. (I don't believe it even exists) Research is pretty deep in the genome now as we all obviously know (in-vitro meat alone could stop all war as we know it) Atheism and godlessness is a "social" (disease/disorder) problem on the other hand.

Originally posted by SwissMarked
So far as what you said about "who's God is better... it's all the same God... just different roads to get there... the God of Islam is the same as that of Judaism and the same as Christianity and the same as blah blah blah... it's all a matter of "who you follow to get there"...

If I told you, "to get to my house, take the interstate to Broadway, hang a left on Walnut, Im the third house on the right." You however took the interstate to Brookside, took a left on 18th St. and called wondering why I was not at home. No, all roads do not lead to God just as all roads do not lead to home.
I don't want to derail the thread, but that just peeves me. If your going to believe in a doctrine do it, pick one, and live by it.

Originally posted by Iason321
greed and secular humanism is the problem

Greed - I agree.

Secular humanism - What is a big cause of that? Religion.

"My god is better than your god"
"My god tells me to do this"
"Well my god says that is wrong, and my god is the right one"
"My god says it is okay to kill yourself and innocent people for the religion, and you will be rewarded"
"My god says it is not okay to kill at all"

Religion causes separation.
It's been this way since the beginning.

Religion is a disease.

People need to stop looking to outside sources of influence, and realize we are our own authority on this planet. If we want the planet to be destroyed, we can do that. If we want to work together, we can do that.

It is US. not GOD.

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I was in the process of reading up more on secular humanism when I read this post, and some of the ideas involved with it make sense and would be beneficial to the human race - I like the idea that nobody should adopt any extremist ideologies without sufficient research and people should do whats right just because its the right thing to do, not because God or anyone said so.

And we both agree that greed is a main cause of turmoil in the world - if everyone weren't so greedy and selfish, the world would probably be a much better place.

God bless you paradox

how can we prove something invisible with absolutely no shred of reliable evidence doesn't exist other then the fact that there is no evidence at all... like everything about religion is murky at best. So the burden doesn't rely on us who question the existence of god to prove he does not exist, it rests on the shoulders of those who insist without evidence that he does.

"Faith" is not an answer, it is a feeling. Just like I have "Faith" there is no god.

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God is better than no God

(or a ruler in its place)

Originally posted by closerseemsfurther
There's an interesting quality in the debate of whether or not there is a God. I won't take the time to involve the evidence for or against, nor will I attempt to persuade anyone (with ample evidence) to believe in the God of The Bible, I'd just like to point out an interesting thought. The argument is a case of "is, or is not". An example to illustrate: If I were to tell you that there were absolutely NO gold in all of China, what would I have to do to know for sure? I'd have to scour every square inch of the country, every nook & cranny, dig billions of holes, etc. to make sure that there was NO gold. That's the only way I could be sure. But if I told you there WAS gold in China, what would I have to do to know for sure? Well I'd only have to look until I found a single piece of gold. This is also true for whether there is or isn't a god. To know for sure that there isn't, I'd have to search the entire universe, seen and unseen, this dimension and every other dimension... but to know for sure that there IS a god, I'd only have to look until I'd found him. Just a thought for all the "avid unbelievers" out there.

This exact statement was brought up at the Reason Rally 2012, you can find it on youtube. The answer is this, hardly any atheist is speaking with surety on the existence of god. We say that we don't believe your claim that gods exist until their is enough credible evidence to help us believe. Believers are the ones who claim with surety that their god does indeed exist. But, I wonder if they've dug around for evidence for all the other gods to have been said to have existed, or do they just stop with the one they think they've found (and were pretty much brought up to believe in)?

Originally posted by closerseemsfurther
Another illustration using so many peoples' favorite topic (aliens/ufo's)... There are many people who believe in aliens without having ever seen or met one. They say things like "the universe is SOOO big, there HAS to be intelligent life out there." I will say, there is evidence (ufo pics, vids, sightings) that suggest intelligent life, but there are many alternate explanations. However, even with ample evidence, millions of first hand experiences, and the universe still being SOOO big... people don't WANT to believe in God. Maybe it's because choosing to believe in God means accountability for our lives in a way we don't want to accept... and believing in aliens doesn't. Just another thought.

IMO, it is much easier to believe beings exist on other worlds than it is to believe that omnipotent, omnisicient gods exist. Why? Because WE live here on this planet. If that is the case, then who's to say beings can't live on other planets? It happened here, why not somewhere else? It's totally plausible.

I guess in a future without God we are to give our respect smartest people on the planet?

heck I even watched Logan's Run last night... some people didn't get alot of the undertones in those cool science fiction films I suppose?

one thing about that movie is they never really tell you how Logan's society got that way... you get to figure it out all on your own

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
godless individuals have a higher percentage rate of waking up and wanting to eat babies...

Tempted to report your sig. Never reported anything on this site before, I prefer rationally deconstructing offensive claims and showing there stupidity over just censoring them.

However, You're last two topics already have proven yourself either a troll or a hatemonger. Whichever you are, I don't want to engage in either of those games.

Just, giving you some warning in case I decide to. You already have at least two strikes, I'm not sure how many it'd take for the mods to decide the site's better without you.