Trayvon Martin Shooter Told Cops Teenager Went For His Gun

Originally posted by BIGPoJo
reply to post by Annee

 

Where did you get that information "continue to pursue"? According to witnesses and police the story is different. Read this article.

Zimmerman got out of his car.

Zimmerman was pursuing on foot. He was taking the law into his own hands.

Again - - Zimmerman created the situation - - he escalated the situation.

I've been part of a Neighborhood watch. You are to observe only. You are never to get out of your car.

If Zimmerman had followed correct protocol for Neighborhood watch - - - a kid would not be dead.

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
reply to post by manna2

 

No, I removed your speculation. I didn't add anything. "looking at houses" is speculation, not fact. He was walking in the rain. He was walking down the street. It was not known if he was walking down the street "looking at houses" or walking in the rain "looking at houses".

edit on 26-3-2012 by CoherentlyConfused because: (no reason given)

But that is what is stated by zimmerman and a witness I believe.
It was part of a neighborhood watch.
The onus is on you to dispel the facts as being less than fact if you constest it. Otherwise YOU are speculating.

Originally posted by gypsychology909
People should not kill people.

I found it sad to read about this African American kid getting killed by some white dude who despite having a Jewish name turned out to be a Latino Hispanic person acting like an Albanian !?

People should not kill people.

edit on 26-3-2012 by gypsychology909 because: filled out

Best post of the whole thread. Two thumbs up and a star.

Yeah Zimmerman should not have followed him however he did not break any law by doing so. Neither should the kid have attacked Zimmerman he assaulted Zimmerman and that is against the law. Bottom line is Zimmerman was defending himself against the attack of the kid. He wasn't looking for a fight he called 911 to get the police to check it out. He hasn't been arrested because he broke no law.

Now the feds are trying to get him on a federal charge of violating civil rights. Technically they have no case but that does not mean they will not railroad Zimmerman. Zimmerman was not profiling him because he was black he as profiling him as a suspicious unknown character in the neighborhood. Those saying a white guy dressed the same way would not have gotten the same treatment as a suspicious character are high.

reply to post by hawkiye


Good points. Also, there is clear evidence that he was not racially profiling him. When the dispatcher asks Zimmerman what color Martin is, he says he "thinks he is black". He wasn't even sure of his race!

reply to post by manna2


I know Zimmerman said he was "acting suspicious" but that statement in itself is speculative. If a witness claimed he was looking at houses, it, too, would be a very subjective statement. How was he looking at them, in what context? I'm not even sure what that means. I look at houses all the time when I go for walks. Was he paused in front of them, studying something about them? Just like the "acting suspicious" statement, it would need some clarification to have any real meaning.

Only Trayvon knows what Trayvon was doing that night and he can't give a statement. Anything anyone else says is speculation. The only absolute knowns about what he was doing was that he was walking down the street at night, it was raining, and he was unarmed. Heck, maybe he was scoping out potential homes to rob. Maybe he wasn't. I don't know and neither does anyone else. There's too much stuff being spouted and the waters are so muddy. If we just stick to what is absolutely known, it makes it easier to think more clearly about the situation.

reply to post by BIGPoJo


Even at 6ft 230 lbs I would be very concerned if I noticed someone tailing me in a neighborhood for several minutes.

Ill go on record as saying if I play cop and follow someone around a neighborhood for several minutes who did nothing wrong and I approach them acting like I have some type of authority and if they attack me ill gladly take my butt whooping like a man if they can dish it out to me..


Im not gonna say Zimmerman should be charged with murder but the way it looks now I could definitely see manslaughter.

If his fat ass had listened to the 911 operator instead of playing Texas Ranger NONE of this would have happened regardless.

Yes a 17 y/o male is hopped up on testosterone and probably did finally confront Zimmerman and got physical with him.

But had Zimmerman been smart and not stupid none of this had to happen. So regardless he is partially to blame.


SO lets just say they BOTH made bad choices, Zimmerman and Martin.

Well martin payed with his life for his mistake, the least Zimmerman can do is a few years.

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
reply to post by manna2

 

I know Zimmerman said he was "acting suspicious" but that statement in itself is speculative. If a witness claimed he was looking at houses, it, too, would be a very subjective statement. How was he looking at them, in what context? I'm not even sure what that means. I look at houses all the time when I go for walks. Was he paused in front of them, studying something about them? Just like the "acting suspicious" statement, it would need some clarification to have any real meaning.

Only Trayvon knows what Trayvon was doing that night and he can't give a statement. Anything anyone else says is speculation. The only absolute knowns about what he was doing was that he was walking down the street at night, it was raining, and he was unarmed. Heck, maybe he was scoping out potential homes to rob. Maybe he wasn't. I don't know and neither does anyone else. There's too much stuff being spouted and the waters are so muddy. If we just stick to what is absolutely known, it makes it easier to think more clearly about the situation.

It doesn't matter Zimmerman called the police like he was supposed to so they could handle it Treyvon attacked him before they got there and lost his life for it. They only one who committed a crime that night was Treyvon by assaulting Zimmerman. Yeah Zimmerman following him was not a good idea however it was not illegal. Why didn't Treyvon call the police if he was being followed? He chose to assault Zimmerman instead and was killed for it.

reply to post by BIGPoJo


First off, size isn't everything. I have seen little Latin guys whoop the snot out of big ass football players.

So to simplify it that he was bigger and therefore had the advantage is a very poor excuse for evidence.

If zimmerman couldn't of handled him, then he shouldn't of chased him. Period.

Now matter how you try to paint Martin, zimmerman instigated, period.

Good lord this incident is going to start the civil war again, and we already know which side some ATSers are on.

Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by BIGPoJo

 

SO lets just say they BOTH made bad choices, Zimmerman and Martin.

Well martin payed with his life for his mistake, the least Zimmerman can do is a few years.

edit on 26-3-2012 by ker2010 because: (no reason given)

What crime did Zimmerman commit? The only crime committed that night was Martin choosing to assault Zimmerman.

reply to post by hawkiye


Say you move into my neighborhood next week.

Your teenage son or daughter are out jogging around 7:15 at night or doing whatever. I think they look suspicious. You have no problem with me following them while armed the whole time then stopping them and asking them what are they doing in my neighborhood. I dont notice you...

Their are tons of people out in my sub division now, some i wouldn't notice.. Is it cool for me to run outside and tell them they look suspicions and ask what are they doing in this neighborhood.



If you would have zero problems with me doing that I guess Zimmerman carry's no blame.

If you do isnt that hypocritical

reply to post by ker2010


Americans I can tell you that if that kid had been a thug, Zimmerman wouldn't of made it that far. Not smart to go chasing after people in the middle of the night.

A white guy is tailing a young black kid in the deep south and have the audacity to wonder why he got nervous.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by ker2010

 

Americans

I can tell you that if that kid had been a thug, Zimmerman wouldn't of made it that far. Not smart to go chasing after people in the middle of the night.

A white guy is tailing a young black kid in the deep south and have the audacity to wonder why he got nervous.

edit on 26-3-2012 by nixie_nox because: (no reason given)

Wrong in sooo many ways.

Hispanic not white
Not chasing...following
Zimmerman disengaged....Martin engaged
Zimmerman assaulted repeatedly....Martin gets shot

Not saying it was right, but your "facts" are wrong.

Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by hawkiye

 

Say you move into my neighborhood next week.

Your teenage son or daughter are out jogging around 7:15 at night or doing whatever. I think they look suspicious. You have no problem with me following them while armed the whole time then stopping them and asking them what are they doing in my neighborhood. I dont notice you...

Their are tons of people out in my sub division now, some i wouldn't notice.. Is it cool for me to run outside and tell them they look suspicions and ask what are they doing in this neighborhood.



If you would have zero problems with me doing that I guess Zimmerman carry's no blame.

If you do isnt that hypocritical

edit on 26-3-2012 by ker2010 because: (no reason given)

If they are jogging, then why would they be suspicious? Zimmerman thought Martin's actions were suspicious and he had probable cause to investigate due to recent burglaries by young black men. So, if someone fits the profile, don't you think it warrants a little extra investigation in a gated community that can make up their own rules?

And if Florida law allows him to carry a firearm, who are you to say he shouldn't. Tell me, sir, if you were assigned to a neighborhood watch program and had training on how to use a firearm and it was legal to carry in your state, do you think you would? I would if it were me.

Originally posted by BIGPoJo


Please watch the video in the link, it has some FACTS for a change. For people who don't know, Trayvon was 6' 200 lbs. He could have seriously injured or killed Zimmerman if he not have acted in self defense. To put it into perspective, I have seen a 5' 150 person break another adult's jaw in one hit. Imagine being pounded on the ground over and over again. What would you do if you had a gun at your disposal?

abcnews.go.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

that does not mean Martin started the fight, the self defense # is BULLCRAP.
If Zimmerman wants to be a little neighborhood bully, then 17 year olds shouldn't be able to put him in his place.

Zimmerman harassed him, Zimmerman shot him. He should be in jail. good night.

reply to post by Freenrgy2


Joogging ., walking, anything. I could use my definition of suspicious..

Originally posted by CoolStoryMan

Originally posted by BIGPoJo


Please watch the video in the link, it has some FACTS for a change. For people who don't know, Trayvon was 6' 200 lbs. He could have seriously injured or killed Zimmerman if he not have acted in self defense. To put it into perspective, I have seen a 5' 150 person break another adult's jaw in one hit. Imagine being pounded on the ground over and over again. What would you do if you had a gun at your disposal?

abcnews.go.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

that does not mean Martin started the fight, the self defense # is BULLCRAP.
If Zimmerman wants to be a little neighborhood bully, then 17 year olds shouldn't be able to put him in his place.

Zimmerman harassed him, Zimmerman shot him. He should be in jail. good night.

Zimmerman questioned him.....Martin attacked him...Martin went for his gun....Zimmerman shot him.

Bully.....no
Wise....no
Right to profile given recent burglaries....yes

Originally posted by Freenrgy2

Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by hawkiye

 

Say you move into my neighborhood next week.

Your teenage son or daughter are out jogging around 7:15 at night or doing whatever. I think they look suspicious. You have no problem with me following them while armed the whole time then stopping them and asking them what are they doing in my neighborhood. I dont notice you...

Their are tons of people out in my sub division now, some i wouldn't notice.. Is it cool for me to run outside and tell them they look suspicions and ask what are they doing in this neighborhood.



If you would have zero problems with me doing that I guess Zimmerman carry's no blame.

If you do isnt that hypocritical

edit on 26-3-2012 by ker2010 because: (no reason given)

If they are jogging, then why would they be suspicious? Zimmerman thought Martin's actions were suspicious and he had probable cause to investigate due to recent burglaries by young black men. So, if someone fits the profile, don't you think it warrants a little extra investigation in a gated community that can make up their own rules?

And if Florida law allows him to carry a firearm, who are you to say he shouldn't. Tell me, sir, if you were assigned to a neighborhood watch program and had training on how to use a firearm and it was legal to carry in your state, do you think you would? I would if it were me.

Your job in neighborhood watch is to notify POLICE about suspicious people. you DO NOT GO HARASS THEM.
probable cause to investigate? No it's probable cause to CALL THE POLICE.

Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by Freenrgy2

 

Joogging ., walking, anything. I could use my definition of suspicious..

Your scenario doesn't come close to the scenario in this case.

2nd.

reply to post by CoolStoryMan


Exactly!! My point,,