Trayvon Martin Shooter Told Cops Teenager Went For His Gun

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by PotKettle
Oh, so you can't use logic to explain your thought process. Got it.

Consider yourself ignored.

There is only so many ways I can say something - - - without going into Fantasyland.

edit on 27-3-2012 by Annee because: (no reason given)

It is somewhat ironic that those who call for others to use logic are often the ones lacking logic themselves.

reply to post by Furbs


The HOA pamphlets have him listed as neighborhood watch...his neighbors confirm....doesn't evn matter because he was a resident Trayvon was not.....Zimmerman legally followed him, travon illegally beat Zimmerman.

reply to post by Furbs


The gated community is PRIVATE, no one is allowed in unless the owners of the land allow.....the united states has private property rights....this is not a commune.

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by DoubleDNH

 

Have you read all the information?

Zimmerman was a homeowner/neighborhood watch in a private gated community and Trayvon was a stranger wandering around in the rain and dark....police have confirmed there were a rash of break is the neighborhood recently . Zimmerman was following and watching which is his right.

Zimmerman was not a member of the Neighborhood Watch Program. This is the first thing people have to understand. He was acting alone, and not under the auspices of Neighborhood Watch or the Sanford Police.

Trayvon, as a citizen of this country and not under curfew, has the right to be in any public place, including inside of any gated community using taxpayers money to maintain infrastructure.

Zimmerman shot and killed him, which is not his right.

I think you left out the part about Treyvon attacking Zimmerman as corroborated by a witness or was that your intent?

Would everyone just for one second consider the possibility that Trayvon was not an innocent......god forbid you look at BOTH sides of the issue.

Especially since NO ONE here was there that night.

Originally posted by PotKettle

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by DoubleDNH

 

Have you read all the information?

Zimmerman was a homeowner/neighborhood watch in a private gated community and Trayvon was a stranger wandering around in the rain and dark....police have confirmed there were a rash of break is the neighborhood recently . Zimmerman was following and watching which is his right.

Zimmerman was not a member of the Neighborhood Watch Program. This is the first thing people have to understand. He was acting alone, and not under the auspices of Neighborhood Watch or the Sanford Police.

Trayvon, as a citizen of this country and not under curfew, has the right to be in any public place, including inside of any gated community using taxpayers money to maintain infrastructure.

Zimmerman shot and killed him, which is not his right.

I think you left out the part about Treyvon attacking Zimmerman as corroborated by a witness or was that your intent?

I intentionally left out hearsay evidence that is conflicting with two other eye-witness accounts that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon. If it is not something that can be proven, it is not worth discussing. I don't do gossip.

reply to post by timetothink

"The alleged action of a 'self-appointed neighborhood watchman' last month in Sanford, FL significantly contradicts the principles of the Neighborhood Watch Program," NSA Executive Director Aaron D. Kennard, Sheriff (ret.) said in the press statement. "NSA has no information indicating the community where the incident occurred has ever even registered with the NSA Neighborhood Watch program."

Regardless of what pamphlets say, the organization affirms that he is not a member.

Originally posted by Furbs
reply to post by timetothink

 

"The alleged action of a 'self-appointed neighborhood watchman' last month in Sanford, FL significantly contradicts the principles of the Neighborhood Watch Program," NSA Executive Director Aaron D. Kennard, Sheriff (ret.) said in the press statement. "NSA has no information indicating the community where the incident occurred has ever even registered with the NSA Neighborhood Watch program."

Regardless of what pamphlets say, the organization affirms that he is not a member.

They did have a Neighborhood watch. It was started by Zimmerman and someone from the police force was involved in someway.

It just wasn't officially registered.

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by PotKettle

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by DoubleDNH

 

Have you read all the information?

Zimmerman was a homeowner/neighborhood watch in a private gated community and Trayvon was a stranger wandering around in the rain and dark....police have confirmed there were a rash of break is the neighborhood recently . Zimmerman was following and watching which is his right.

Zimmerman was not a member of the Neighborhood Watch Program. This is the first thing people have to understand. He was acting alone, and not under the auspices of Neighborhood Watch or the Sanford Police.

Trayvon, as a citizen of this country and not under curfew, has the right to be in any public place, including inside of any gated community using taxpayers money to maintain infrastructure.

Zimmerman shot and killed him, which is not his right.

I think you left out the part about Treyvon attacking Zimmerman as corroborated by a witness or was that your intent?

I intentionally left out hearsay evidence that is conflicting with two other eye-witness accounts that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon. If it is not something that can be proven, it is not worth discussing. I don't do gossip.

I'm curious. Which other two eyewitness accounts are you referring to?

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Furbs

 

The gated community is PRIVATE, no one is allowed in unless the owners of the land allow.....the united states has private property rights....this is not a commune.

Public Roads are public roads.

We actually DO live in a commune as far as public infrastructure goes. The only property that is protected under private property rights is your actual private property, not the road leading to your private property. This is not even something debatable.

reply to post by timetothink


Ok, so you are saying that Trayvon went to 7-11, picked up a bag of skittles and iced tea for his sister.... saw a Hispanic man following him and beat him without provocation? How is this even an issue... so because he is black is is not supposed to be in a gated community?

I would love to hear from some of you how this went down... are you trying to say that Trayvon went out of his way to assault Zimmerman... that Zimmerman was driving around the community and was dragged from his vehicle and assaulted?

HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED TRAYVON.... PERIOD... END OF STORY... If he saw him committing a crime... he STILL SHOULD NOT HAVE FOLLOWED HIM.... he is not a police officer with months? of specialized training into how he should handle this situation.... when he should and should not use deadly force....

This scenario should have never been put into place by Zimmerman.... he overstepped his bounds and should pay the price for his mistake.

reply to post by PotKettle


Well, there were only three witnesses.

Mary Cutcher,
Selma Mora Lamilla
and "John".

Originally posted by Furbs
reply to post by PotKettle

 

Well, there were only three witnesses.

Mary Cutcher,
Selma Mora Lamilla
and "John".

Oh, you mean the two witnesses that "witnessed" the incident after it occurred. It seems the Sanford police department did not find their testimony to be very compelling does it? I can see why you chose to leave that part out.

Originally posted by DelMarvel

Originally posted by DocAdama
reply to post by Furbs

 

The decision to follow somebody is far more benign than the decision to punch someone in the face and beat them on the ground.

It apparently wasn't "benign" in this situation as someone is now dead.

Zimmerman called 911 over 50 times since January. He's a wannabe cop who couldn't handle himself in a physical confrontation with a teenager. He's lucky he's not the one in the morgue. He didn't know what he was doing and he should have waited for the cops as dictated by all neighborhood watch policies. If Martin really was up to no good that makes Zimmerman's decision to confront him even worse.

Wrong, in a 4-6 year period he called 911 46 or so times, not all in one year. And some of his calls resulted in arrests.

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reply to post by Annee


I can't find anything that corroborates your statement, if you could toss it my way in the thread or in a u2u I would appreciate it.

reply to post by PotKettle


I'm sure the lack of a response by police has absolutely nothing to do with Zimmerman being the son of a judge, either, right?

Originally posted by timetothink
Would everyone just for one second consider the possibility that Trayvon was not an innocent......god forbid you look at BOTH sides of the issue.

Especially since NO ONE here was there that night.

We have considered that. Absent FACTS proving Trayvon Martins guilt, however, I'm not ready to drag his name through the mud and kiss up to the person who unnecessarily instigated the confrontation which resulted in the death of someone minding their own business.

Originally posted by Furbs
reply to post by PotKettle

 

I'm sure the lack of a response by police has absolutely nothing to do with Zimmerman being the son of a judge, either, right?

No, you are right. No son of a judge has ever been arrested. What was I thinking?

Originally posted by ~Vixen~

Originally posted by timetothink
Would everyone just for one second consider the possibility that Trayvon was not an innocent......god forbid you look at BOTH sides of the issue.

Especially since NO ONE here was there that night.

We have considered that. Absent FACTS proving Trayvon Martins guilt, however, I'm not ready to drag his name through the mud and kiss up to the person who unnecessarily instigated the confrontation which resulted in the death of someone minding their own business.

No one is asking you to "kiss up" to anyone. We are asking you to withhold judgement until all of the facts have been presented.

reply to post by PotKettle


Yes, your sarcasm in lieu of thoughtful response, is noted.