Does The Truth Make Me Racist

First of all before I get into this because I know the crap I'm about to get for this post, I should state that I am not a racist. I have been married to wife who is black for going on 6 years now and we have 2 little ones. I went to schools where blacks vastly outnumbered whites and work around black men and women on a daily basis and I don't feel an "urge" to hate them. I have however gotten myself into a bit of heat with my wife's side of the family over a discussion revolving around race. I have never been scared to talk about certain things around other blacks because even if they might not like your point of view, nobody can argue with facts. I'm sure you have heard all of this before but the hot points in the conversation were as follows.

*Blacks have a much higher crime rate than any other major race in America
*Even in areas of lower incomes, the lower income whites/asians/hispanics will commit less crime then blacks in the same area
*People of African decent have been proven to have lower I.Q's than other races on the planet (with the Australian Natives being the only exception)
*The vast majority of black youth embrace a culture of violence, crime. and overall immorality that is glorified by rap music.( rock music can be just as crude but is not as LITERALLY embraced by a race as a whole)
*Blacks that step out of the mold, be it their musical preference or their political preference are often ridiculed by the majority

These points and facts are not meant to make black people seem inferior. It is plainly obvious that black people are faster and more agile than any other race and in today's world it is perfectly okay to point this out, so much so that its often joked about on tv. Its also okay to suggest that asian's are smarter than any other race (this has been proven) I have heard this joked about as well. On the flip side for anyone to point out any flaw of a person of african decent it is such a taboo and I just cant understand it. I am a firm believer that every man is created SPIRITUALLY equal but to say that all races are created physically and mentally equal is just being ignorant of the science that has been around for many years now but has been ignored for the sake of political correctness.

For anyone curious about the I.Q statistics there is an excellent video explaining all the different studies done on the subject. There are a few parts but heres the link for part one.

www.youtube.com...

Edit: Just to spread the love around I feel that I should point out all the good things ive noticed that blacks as a whole top other races. now this is just my opinion but i find that blacks are....

Athletic
Loyal to groups or causes
Brave/Courageous
Better Singers
Better Dancers
loquacious
Comedic

Now I'm not adding this to kiss any ass just to point out that there are differences to races as a whole and rightfully noting that there is exceptions to every rule such as stupid asians or physically inferior blacks. You have to step back, way back to see what im getting at here.

You are only assumed to be racists by the MSM if you are white with a name that sounds somewhat Jewish and you own a firearm. You are only considered racists after killing a black man while trying to protect your neighborhood from a rash of break-ins. You will only be considered racists if you do not conform to what the MSM tells you is the truth. You will only be considered racists if you vote for anyone except Obama.

This makes you a racist ONLY in the eyes of IGNORANT people.

FACTS are FACTS, and some people cannot get over that.

They are the ignorant "racist" ones, but it is YOU who will be MISLABELED as a "racist".

What a world. A world of DAMNED FOOLS who cant accept the TRUTH.

Originally posted by JBD1979
I have been married to wife who is black for going on 6 years now...

Oh cool. What was she before that?

But more seriously, I've always felt there are two different forms of what people called rasicm.
(1). ALL people of a particular race are deficient in some way, and I would never give any of them a job and I hate them all.

(2). There are differences in the different races *on average* for various attributes and skills.
For the most part the probability curves are the same for all races but large samples will show some small differences between the races. Unfortunatly, this means one race will be a tiny bit "better" or "worse" *on average* than another race at some specific task, but this generalisation cannot be extended to rate individuals, who will vary widely.

IMHO, (1) is garbage, but (2) is absolutely true but not politically correct to say and will get you fired if you ever think it.


Edit - and of course racism only works one way. If you're white then, you're always racist all the time.

Originally posted by BIGPoJo
You are only considered racists after killing a black man while trying to protect your neighborhood from a rash of break-ins.

Looks like this may influence people to start "disposing" of their, er.. um, "evidence" better to avoid the BS accusations.

BS accusations going WILD every time some INNOCENT victim shoots a criminal in self-defense may lead to such a thing eventually...

Its a shame when a person in the RIGHT has to go through such nonsense. UNACCEPTABLE!!!

You do not see the whole situation. When you put people into a precarious situation where they have no choice but to react a certain way and then you label their reactions to their race, yes it is the truth. Does it make you racist? Yes. Because you do not know why certain people act a certain way.

The muslims who did 9.11 reacted because of the bombings and occupation of their homelands. Does it make muslims terrorsts? No

Do people think muslims are terrorists? Yes. Are they racist? yes

When blacks have no way to advance their education and get out of the ghetto lifestyle and then they react we are quick to associate it with their race but it is better to associate it with a lower socioeconomic status.

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Its strange because i have always felt a kind of simialr scenario.. im cool with being outspoken, it can get me in trouble.. now i dont know if this is a nature over nurture scenario.

yes, Asians are much better at numbers than any race (i work with an entire division of the company in penang)

i have always joked... white people do three things better than most... war... think outside the box and make music (eastern music is much more difficult to just sit and enjoy than western)...

Like take scottish people, for such a small group of people we have invented many many things and been culturally relevant in most of the western world... that cant be coincidence, what about england, it has managed to for logistically a tiny out of the way island took over the world, so good at war (and then by default with americans being decended from many british now reason to not see this continue) germans for inventing too, i mean a prime example of both thinking outside the box (in terms of invention) and war the Germans essentially done what white european decent do best...

i fully believe there are things that various races are more likley to be good at or to counter that be bad at...

For a site that promotes the denying of ignorance, a lot of it's members sure do embrace it.

Originally posted by JBD1979
I should state that I am not a racist.

You and everybody else apparently.

I have been married to wife who is black for going on 6 years now

my best friend is black, my church pastor is black, my favour actor is Wesley Snipes etc etc.

*Blacks have a much higher crime rate than any other major race in America
*Even in areas of lower incomes, the lower income whites/asians/hispanics will commit less crime then blacks in the same area
*People of African decent have been proven to have lower I.Q's than other races on the planet (with the Australian Natives being the only exception)
*The vast majority of black youth embrace a culture of violence, crime. and overall immorality that is glorified by rap music.( rock music can be just as crude but is not as LITERALLY embraced by a race as a whole)
*Blacks that step out of the mold, be it their musical preference or their political preference are often ridiculed by the majority

If you respected folks as individuals, all this wouldn't be relevant to you. Yes, blacks are the lowest on the socio-economic scale, there are numerous circumstances behind these facts. In the end it is pritty darn low to mark individuals on the basis of these facts. The fact blacks in general commit more crimes than any other racial group does not make an individual black person any lesser that the other person.

There are not many blacks in the area where I live, but those I have come across, former neighbours, childhood friends, their skin color was never a factor to me. There is no doubt a problem in the black community and alot of this stems from this unwillingness of many blacks to move on and take responsibility, but I think you take it a step too far when you start marking ones race as a key factor in how you'd judge them and this exactly how I see your OP.

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What truth are we talking about here?

Do you believe that blacks are inferior to the other races? Is this your view of the truth? Should blacks be segregated or sent back to africa? In light of the fact that blacks are lower on the economic scale and commit more crimes, what do you propose we do to each individual black person? I'm sure these 'facts' of yours aren't stated for nothing are they?

Enlighten me on your truth and also your solution, please. I'd love to hear more on this from you. We don't complain about something without having a stated goal.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

Actually I do treat everyone equally as far as I dont see myself better as a PERSON than anyone else. I treat everyone I meet with an innocent until proven guilty attitude. I give anyone a chance because like I said there are exceptions to every rule and I dont want to live my life thinking that everyone is out to get me. Also to say that blacks commit more crimes is not to say that most blacks are criminals, far from it....i can do that math on my own, and i would be doing myself a disservice thinking that way. I am certainly not gonna think that my son is gonna grow up a criminal because his mother is black because that is my responsibility to make sure he knows right from wrong.

Here is the absolute truth: If george zimmerman wasn't walking around with a gun looking for trouble ,that young man would still be alive. absolute fact.

reply to post by JBD1979


Why don't you explain to us what the conclusion of your OP was? Because I certainly didn't see one.

Blacks have lower I.Q's, blacks commit more crime, these are the facts you've listed. What's you're point? Are we concluding that there are fundamental problems the black community faces, or are we talking about something else? What is it? Surely you didn't list all those 'facts' for nothing right? What do you think about black people as a whole and what do you think should be done?

Thanks.

Originally posted by abe froman
Here is the absolute truth: If george zimmerman wasn't walking around with a gun looking for trouble ,that young man would still be alive. absolute fact.

But don't you see? Trayvon was asking to be shot ya know? For wearing a hoodie and walking while black through a neighbourhood at night. Why didn't he simply just show his papers to Zimmerman when he was asked to? Who does he think he is??

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I dont think anything should be "done" I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy that one can criticize any other race and it be a joke, but if one points out a single flaw in the black race as a whole be it factually proven or just ones own opinion then they are racist bigots with a hidden agenda.

If there's one thing I've learned about so-called science, it is that it can be twisted to give literally any answer that someone might want.

The other thing that needs to be taken into account here, is that what is defined as IQ in white terms, is only really relevant to success within white society. I've met a couple of Aborigines, and I've learned that they were completely socially effective, on their own terms. They simply had very different ways of doing things; most of which actually didn't utilise the beta brainwave pattern (our default neurological state) at all.

The reason why the black communities in white countries do as poorly as they do, is because they are not within their own system. They're in ours; although the irony is, that our system doesn't even work very well for us, most of the time.

But black man and white man genuinely are very different, although you'll notice that I'm not using the words superior or inferior here, because neither are. We're just that; different, and if we'd been allowed to each have our differences, the world would be a much better place. The early Americans should have left the black people in Africa. That was their home; it was where they belonged. It was where they had their own way, which for them, worked.

Originally posted by JBD1979
I have never been scared to talk about certain things around other blacks because even if they might not like your point of view, nobody can argue with facts. I'm sure you have heard all of this before but the hot points in the conversation were as follows.

*Blacks have a much higher crime rate than any other major race in America
*Even in areas of lower incomes, the lower income whites/asians/hispanics will commit less crime then blacks in the same area
*People of African decent have been proven to have lower I.Q's than other races on the planet (with the Australian Natives being the only exception)
*The vast majority of black youth embrace a culture of violence, crime. and overall immorality that is glorified by rap music.( rock music can be just as crude but is not as LITERALLY embraced by a race as a whole)
*Blacks that step out of the mold, be it their musical preference or their political preference are often ridiculed by the majority

You do not cite any sources to back up your points of so called facts. Your opinions do not constitute "fact" Otherwise your points have no validity.
This thread is leading no where...

Sometime when I read the title of a thread, something just pops out in my head, and by reading your title, the following instantly came :

"if it leads you to racism, then it's not the truth"

"Racism" is a word that is in modern PC society usualy thrown around for things where it does not apply. Here is the real definition of the word:

Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination.

Do you agree with discrimination based on race? If not, then you are not a racist, whatever your other beliefs are.

Originally posted by JBD1979
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

I dont think anything should be "done" I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy that one can criticize any other race and it be a joke, but if one points out a single flaw in the black race as a whole be it factually proven or just ones own opinion then they are racist bigots with a hidden agenda.

I do agree with this summary of the thread. It is hypocrisy that in our western nations that the label of "racist" is nearly exclusively used to describe whites. The msm do not use the label on people of different ethnicities even when the circumstances are nearly identical. Likewise, the term 'bigot' is nearly exclusively used on whites and Christians when they do not agree with a particular liberal agenda. Having said this, if you understood that the terms were coined and used to force and herd the society, through pressure, to adopt another group's agenda, then your discussions can come from another angle. The "powers" push conformity and it's very difficult to swim upstream. They know it, and therefore the terms are used to slowly push people to their agenda, almost used as a slap on the wrist these days. As a Christian, I understand where it's heading and why they are using it. Tolerance is also another key word.

The point however that is missing is what a few Christian black pastors are attempting to address within their congregations - that a person's character dictates their life. A person of the utmost character, dirt poor, does not partake in crime. A person of poor character, does. A person that values human life does not kill it. A person that doesn't value money doesn't backstab their coworkers or steal to get it. A person that values their family doesn't abandon them when times get tough. A person that loves does not hate. A person that values their children teach them the same morality. All of these things are applicable to the rest of us.

So maybe your discussions about the differences in race do not focus on the bottom line - the fact that none of the differences between race cause the higher levels of crime, but that lack of morals or character does. Many in the black community would rather hear that the cause is 'White man's oppression and bigotry' instead of the truth - that they've destroyed their own community from within by rejecting God. Likewise, many whites are doing the same thing as the "powers" lead us down the same road. Crime is risings, families are disintegrating, drugs and binge drinking are ruining our youth, getting laid is of utmost importance, success at all costs is glorified etc etc etc. And after leading us down the same path by getting our society to reject the God of our grandparents, the "powers" are slowly trying to get us to view another reason as the cause instead of the truth - we too have rejected God. They have nearly completed their goal of producing chaos by getting most of us to manifest their desired "reaction" so that their 'solution' can be implemented.

When Christ said that the end would be characterised by nations rising against nations and kingdoms against kingdoms, you got to understand that the Greek word for nations is 'ethnos'... Ethnic, race, peoples of the same customs etc. Think of the Denver airport mural and the children in the coffins - blacks and Native Americans and Christians. "They" have created the problem, "they" are currently managing the "public reaction" only to set up their "solution". Trust me, a time will come that through their chaos a new 'moral' code will be implemented - theirs.