Aspect/Perspectives of Time Travel.

Say we have indeed developed "Time Travel", something similar to the conventional method seeming to be portrayed ; to manipulate/transfer our physical self(s) or manifestation of consciousness, into a certain point or place in a perceived in "time". Being by way of "sentient being", consciously and cognitively able to perceive a notion of "time", "time travel" occurring, and/or intentionally create it.

Say it has been or will be developed, maybe by Earth , a neighboring planet, or maybe in a galaxy far away. Humans perceive time to be linear, maybe due to a relatively short life-span, which I think could not only be increased, but in fact become "immortal" in a sense, but that's for another time.(no pun intended). If at any point in "time"; it has been, or will be developed, the "time" at which it is developed is irrelevant due to its nature of "time travel". Well, unless your living in a time where you can't use it, but for now let's leave the little arguments aside.. So even though,we currently don't know of any proven ways to "time travel" , is it not in fact very possible for us to be subject to events/effects of "future" - "time travel"?

I don't think a time traveler would just pop up on you seeing though as it would be kinda detrimental and they would send you to a mental hospital or possibly create a "butterfly effect" thus changing his "time". Would they plant artifacts? Create events? Just be along for the show? Possibly subtly nudging us in the right direction, helping make a right decision? Helping replace every little "bad" thing with a better one adding up for magnificent changes for the future? Is time really linear? Could it be a logarithmic spiral? Could it just be in our head?

Now, I know in this thread I skipped the technical aspects, along other factors, and went straight to the future. I know we at first may want to argue the technical aspects of "time travel" and its plausibility. But consider that when doing so, we are reduced to working only with present knowledge/tools we currently have/know , thinking in our "present-time". We have indeed come along way; but we have barely scratched the surface. It is a fact that we will discover, learn, and create many things; some of which we cannot even begin to fathom at this time. So in arguing the technological aspects, we may be on the right track when doing so, but rest assure we are still missing some pieces of the puzzle. Let's keep this in mind. Let's also presume we have not destroyed ourselves and the whole 2012 thing was just hype.

So I guess I could say, What if we made it to the future already. And ---
I hope to maybe get a nice little brainstorm session and different aspects/perspectives of the illusive "Time Travel".

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I've always been interested in time-travel. I've come to a conclusion about it, though. We will never know if time travel exists until (if) we invent it. If time travel has been invented in our future, then surely they have traveled to many timeliness of our past and present. In none of these trips did they ever make themselves known. Why would they now or at any time? Never did before,why would they now? For this reason, it is apparent that no one will" contact" us from the future. We will never know unless we create it. Just one of my thoughts on time travel.

Taken from LINK
To more accurately rephrase what is said above, a time traveler can only interact in a causal, physical, tangible manner with pasts that inevitably evolve into the future from which the time traveler came. Alternately, we in the present can only interact in a causal manner with time travelers from the very future we are currently vectoring towards. The rules of time travel may not be as strict as this, however, since the paper ends by pointing to an alternate solution implying that “less ’deterministic’ and fuzzier time traveling might be possible.” Based on the mathematics alone, the paper shows that feedback loops between the present and future can and probably do exist, that their existence perfectly resolves time travel paradoxes by setting conditions on how the future can interact with its past. But what exactly is “less deterministic” and “fuzzier” time travel? Well, that question leads to the rest of this article. A deterministic process is one where a perfectly predictable chain of events follows some initial known cause. A nondeterministic event cannot be predicted at all, merely described in terms of probabilities. Clearly, freewill is absent in determinism and fully present in nondeterminism. That a time traveler interacts deterministically with people in the past implies he can violate their freewill by being the cause that evokes a definite effect upon them. But then he can only do what he ended up doing anyway. A fuzzier form of time travel is where a greater range of pasts may be accessed at the expense of decreased determinism in the interaction. In other words, the time traveler will have greater freedom to visit alternate pasts if he is more respectful of freewill. This is not his choice, rather it is a restriction enforced by the laws of quantum mechanics. The more inconsistent a past with his timeline, the less “presence” the time traveler will have while visiting. By “presence” I mean two things: physical presence and probabilistic presence. Either will enforce the preservation of freewill. To lose physical presence means to become more ethereal. To lose probabilistic presence means you will simply not be at the right place at the right time doing the right thing to have any effect. A time traveler can therefore visit any past at all if he remains entirely invisible and nonphysical. This would be equivalent to remote viewing the past. The more tangible he desires to be, the more restricted the range of pasts he can visit. If he wants to be fully physical, he can only enter the pasts that created his present. This is not speculation, this follows directly from the mathematics shown in the paper by Greenberger.

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