Why the world NEEDS The Hunger Games

Do we NEEd a movie to teach our kids? Do we NEED ultraviolent puppet shows to desensitize at a young age? Ok so if we do, does freakin Hollywood have to be the medium? Please, we are on our way to idiocracy with this thinking imho

reply to post by gwydionblack

Such a grand and noble cause, but ineffective in the end. Your "listeners" don't listen, and no amount of yelling changes that. No amount of barraging them with love and hoping they change their ways is going to change the reality of the world.

Its not ineffective in the least.

Its extremely effective.

One it does reach those who are close to that themselves, and for those on par, it reminds them, synchronizes the goal.

This is about holding light, we are the real stars, and connected to our Source, Family and Greater Soul, if we wake up and seek within. The light streaming in through the Stars is Love and Consciousness. The stars are cyrstal mirrors and stations/crystal cities that Guides/Angels Higher Ups operate through.

We are the stars here, the real light. Even when we don't know we're shining, we're shining, though our 3D eyes can't see it, and our Souls are working the Grid.

They do a lot of bad things to the Grid.

But even one awake and aware person, who is connecting to their Higher Self and Family above, the Source, God/Goodness, even ONE, holds a frequency in this world that cannot be overcome.

ONE, can shine in that light.

ONE affects the Source Field around all of us, and puts those ideas in place, so they are accessed by ALL.

IF the dark side strikes one down then they, like Obe Wan, expand to fuller form of Soul and can even affect more here.

So, no, violence is not the way to go.

Violence shrinks your soul orb and consciousness, cuts you off from your Source and Higher Self, and stops the Good Work from raising this world and collective consciousness.

Its the opposite in fact.

reply to post by Unity_99


Homo Sapiens, in its current evolution, will never cease to be violent. It can only direct that violence towards constructive ends.

Hunger Games is an interesting example of minimizing the damage mankind inflicts upon itself. When any one of you could die within a few years as tribute, it gives life more meaning. It makes you think twice about taking another life. It also gives you something to work toward...if you know you could die, and you've seen it happen to others, won't you work twice as hard to become the best?

There is a certain degree of genius to this cruelty. It's admirable, really.

I still find it hilarious that we can protest the concepts displayed in the books and movie, and still regularly devote a huge chunk of tax money to the training of soldiers being taught to kill people. It's not okay if it's a game, but it's okay if you're being paid and sanctioned by the government?

omg, everyone thats talking crap on this is talking crap on a hollywood movie. of course its ganna be crappy, its a hollywood movie. they're ganna take out all of the politics and focus on the violence.

BUT maybe it'll get people to read the series. which is a THREE book series on revolution against a corrupt government.

i know many people think revolution and civil disobedience is unnecessary and i'd have to agree for 99% of the time. But you have to remember thats how AMERICA WAS FOUNDED!!!
There is a time and place, we must always remember that and be prepared. That alone is what makes us America, that the people have that power.

no we don't need to revolt because abortion is legal and we disagree with it. etc etc.
but we must remember that as Americans, this is how our country was founded!!
Revolution is about as American as it gets, and if reading about revolution offends you(Revolutionary war, hunger games, civil war), then maybe this is the wrong country for you.

the arguable morality of proud sacrifice by great men and women of America

It is a very relevant comparison, as a lot of young people go into the military as they feel they have no other opportunity to make something of their life. Even among those who are join because they want to more than have to, a lot of them only deploy to Iraq because they have to, not because they want to.

reply to post by dl2oneThe2nd


Obviously. If parents are no longer going to teach their children and instead only complain about how Hollywood and government indoctrination does it, then by all means let Hollywood at least do it right. Most parents have long since abandoned the responsibilities of true parenthood.


reply to post by Unity_99


Save the metaphysical talk. When it comes to reality and physical results, mediation and the hippy way have done NOTHING since they have come to exist. This is fact. So go ahead, preach whatever lifestyle you want and live however you want, but do not try to say that it has an impact. I don't see the impact and neither does anyone else because it doesn't exist.

You know where impact does exist? The results of the American Revolution. The results of the Cuban Revolution. The results of "terrorists" and milataries around the world. Whether you agree or disagree with the methods, violence has proven time and time again to garner the attention of all, and when those in power refuse to listen to all voices, violence is the only thing that will make them see the light, and if not, will ultimately bring them down. This is reality of history and the world.



reply to post by Starchild23

I still find it hilarious that we can protest the concepts displayed in the books and movie, and still regularly devote a huge chunk of tax money to the training of soldiers being taught to kill people. It's not okay if it's a game, but it's okay if you're being paid and sanctioned by the government?

Exactly my point and well said. It seems than when brought to an art form, things such as these are horrendous and cruel, even thought the reality of the world is 100 times worse than anything the movie or books could show. Yet people will complain about the actions in the movie while supporting the troops and military action. It is quite hilarious to say the least.



reply to post by CB328


Indeed. In away The Hunger Games are much the same, with the children having to volunteer their name more times in order to guarantee food for their families. Let us not forget that here in America, at any given second, we have a system in place that is 1000 times worse than the Hunger Games in terms of forces young people to their deaths and to kill fellow human beings. It is called the selective service or the draft and it has been used numerous times in our history.

I just think the comparisons are all too real.

Wow thats crazy i mean the hunger games isnt a "kids" movie i wonder what age group the kids of these crazy parents are. I agree I think that this movie reminds us that WE are control here in America at least for the people by the people and it is actually written that if things get out of control we can rebel. I think many people forget this and just accept things the way they are. I think its just stupid how some parents shelter their kids. I remember when i was younger and i had a few friends werent even allowed to talk about harry potter, they couldnt even look at posters for the movies. I personally think sheltering kids is a bad thing because those same overly sheltered kids eventually get thrown in with the sharks and they wont know how to react. I believe over sheltering breeds ignorance and stupidity honestly.

reply to post by Nephlim


Battle Royale has the same exact thing shown in the bonding of the kids, and the love story that goes on. You are one of those Hunger Games people huh? I have seen a lot of fans of that book get really defensive, but there is absolutely no denying Hunger Games ripped off Battle Royale.


Also.. you have no idea what I have and haven't read. I read A LOT. I read BR, but was turned off to the idea of HG's when I noticed a trend. The people telling me to read Hunger Games were people who didn't normally read, or twilight fans. It is basically Battle Royale with the twilight tween treatment.

I too have just finished the first book after hearing of the movie, and as someone else has posted it greatly reminded me of battle royal only without the exploding collars. The whole time I was reading this book I kept thinking of something a teacher in high school was saying about stories. He said that books, movies, TV, and any other form of story are reflections of society, and that really good stories that are popular with the masses hit a cord with a issue relative to there every day life. Hunger games is about a unfair society that oppresses the masses and tries to spin it as something that is good for them. While rich elitist profit off the suffering of others.
The fact that this book has become so popular is because more and more people are starting to wake up and see how full of it our society has become.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


I am a BR fan as well. Never read the books, however, but the second movie was terrible.

The problem is that people dismiss the Hunger Games as the first book only and that's it. That is where the Battle Royale similarities end, my friend. Not to mention that the "romance" in The Hunger Games isn't even real. If you read/watched it, you would understand that. The only "tween" influence that the books/movies might have, is the fact that the main characters are in fact teenagers. But if that is what it takes to be considered a tween franchise
"like Twilight" then I guess Battle Royale fits the bill as well since they were all teenagers.

I've seen them both, and they are both good, and both very different. I believe I am in the position to make that judgement.

I have been a fan of these books ever since the first one came out (waiting for Catching Fire was agonizing and even more so for Mockingjay)

I believe this story to be essential in today's society for the young and old alike. We all need something that can inspire the kind of courage it takes to stand up and fight for what we believe in.

The movie with a pg 13 rating hardly depicted the brutality of the deaths from the book, and I can't believe there is any controversy about it in the first place. Maybe they should look to their childrens video game collection and I bet they will find much more violence there. ( I must admit, I don't think Mockingjay can be made with a pg 13 rating. It is where the true war comes into play.) Maybe the real issure is not the violence in the movie but fear of what kind of inpact this message will have on their kids.

Maybe a bit of a SPOLIER ALERT but not much


Book One: The stirrings of rebellion from an oppressed and starving country who are forced year after year to watch their children murder eachother. Encouraged by the actions of one of the particpant in the games.

Book Two: Said participant is under constant threat from the Capitol for defying them. The lives of her loved ones threated if she doesn't comply with the presidents wishes to squash the rebellion before it gets out of hand.

Book Three: That spark of rebellion is a full blow wild fire and all out war, The Rebels against The Captiol with a few dramatic plot twists to stir things up a bit. But things are never what they seem to be, war is ugly in fiction as well as reality.

If you haven't read these books I suggest you give them a try.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Nephlim

 

Battle Royale has the same exact thing shown in the bonding of the kids, and the love story that goes on. You are one of those Hunger Games people huh? I have seen a lot of fans of that book get really defensive, but there is absolutely no denying Hunger Games ripped off Battle Royale.


Also.. you have no idea what I have and haven't read. I read A LOT. I read BR, but was turned off to the idea of HG's when I noticed a trend. The people telling me to read Hunger Games were people who didn't normally read, or twilight fans. It is basically Battle Royale with the twilight tween treatment.

edit on 25-3-2012 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)

the closest thing you got between the two is that they both have a relationship in it?? what book doesn't is more the question, and your also wrong.

battle royale has your standard relationship, while hunger games has a THREE WAY LOVE AFFAIR. not actually a relationship at all, until the end of the final book, just mixed emotions the whole time. its a very complex relationship she has with both of them, not at all standard let alone that there's another lover. alot of pain and heartbreak and even forced/political side of a relationship.

so yeah i know you didn't read the book. thanks for debating something you don't understand and haven't taken the time to read. i don't even know why you would comment about something you haven't read so authoritavely

and actually i'm not a hunger games person, i'm just a book person. i read three to four books a week average.

and i don't fall with what others say, i judge based off what i see. you could try it. you know the whole "deny ignorance" thing.

reply to post by Nephlim


No.. the closest thing I got between the two is that they are both stories about teens that are forced to kill each other as some sort of sport in a dystopian future.

That is the closest thing I got between the two. I just found it annoying that the author said she has never heard of Battle Royale. When I am writing something, I usually scour all sources to make sure I am not writing something already written. She was in the entertainment industry for 20 some years and writing an insanely similar story to Battle Royale how could she not know until the book was being published?

reply to post by gwydionblack


I just noted when it began circulating that most the people approaching me to read it were people that generally didn't read much and/or were previously twilight fans. Just a personal observation. I am not saying it can't be a good book. I know nothing is original, but I just found it kind of annoying she didn't acknowledge battle royale and instead opted for the more abstract "it got the idea from greek myth" route.

reply to post by Nephlim


Ah.. here we go. Someone made my job easier.
No the romance isn't the biggest similarity.. here:

*The basic premise of THE HUNGER GAMES itself is a significant derivative of BATTLE ROYALE.

To wit:
Both occur in a dystopic future.

*Both are about a no-holds barred tournament of death.

*Both tournaments are run by governments and involve youth as players who are forced to kill each other until one survivor remains. Someone rebelled and is being punished for it (in BATTLE ROYALE, the students boycotted school; in THE HUNGER GAMES, the districts rebelled against the government).

*In BATTLE ROYALE, the characters are 15; Katniss, the heroine of THE HUNGER GAMES, is 16.

*Both stories feature a lottery as a means of choosing players.


*BATTLE ROYALE’s Kitano-sensei, the teacher who orchestrates the tournament, tells the student players at one point that “Life is a game.”

Get it? THE HUNGER GAMES. I mean, c’mon. But if that still isn’t enough…

*Both stories feature the use of “backpacks” which are given to the players. In both stories, the backpacks have been filled with random weapons. In other words, the players never know what they have until they open the backpack.

*Both stories involve over-the-top pomp and circumstance as preludes to the tournaments as well as media coverage (e.g., in BATTLE ROYALE, it’s executed via the BR Act Committee introductory video & classical music; in THE HUNGER GAMES it’s the extravagant televised broadcast of the game).

*Both stories feature pairings of an older, stronger youth protecting a younger one (In BATTLE ROYALE, Kawada helps protect Noriko and Shuya; in THE HUNGER GAMES, Katniss helps protect Rue). It could also be argued that Kawada’s character influenced Haymitch Abernathy’s character in THE HUNGER GAMES because both characters act as guides for the main characters. Incidentally—or maybe not—both Kawada and Haymitch are survivors of previous tournaments.

*As the games progress, both stories feature means by which players are informed of the current death toll (by public address system in BATTLE ROYALE; by holograms in THE HUNGER GAMES).

*To raise the stakes for the players, there are “Danger Zones” in BATTLE ROYALE and manipulated environments in THE HUNGER GAMES.

*One of the initial death matches in BATTLE ROYALE features a crossbow. Made me wonder if it inspired Katniss’ use of a bow and arrow set in THE HUNGER GAMES. Just sayin’.

*In both BATTLE ROYALE and THE HUNGER GAMES, the surviving couples rebel against the government.

*In THE HUNGER GAMES, Abernathy was the victor of the 50th Hunger Games. In the BATTLE ROYALE novel, 50 Battle Royales are held annually.

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I emboldened the fact that I thought made it the most obvious.

Now, again, despite being a ripoff in many aspects what does the author say her inspiration for hunger games was? Oh made up writer dribble. We're all guilty of it, it's just really annoying when everyone knows better.

"It's hard to choose one element that inspired The Hunger Games," says Suzanne. "Probably the first seeds were planted when, as an eight-year-old with a mythology obsession, I read the story of Theseus. Other early influences would have to include watching too many gladiator movies which dramatized the Romans' flair for turning executions into popular entertainment, my military specialist dad who took us to battlefields for family vacations, and touring with a sword fighting company in high school. But it wasn't until the much more recent experience of channel surfing between reality TV programming and actual war coverage that the story for this series came to me."

Is there a problem with these two movies/stories being similar?

Personally, I like the premise. This could easily be our society in a post-nuclear world. It's politics when a moral consideration of the primal nature of man had been taken into the equation.

The Hunger Games society was really the simplest way to handle it. And that's what Snow wanted: an easy, effective way to maintain stability and structure within society. I would be willing to bet no one on this site could have done a better job...not over the span of a hundred years.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
The world doesn't need The Hunger Games, because we already had Battle Royale years ago and the author of Hunger Games just complete ripped it off.

And long before any of it there was the Long Walk, but that is different enough. There is no excuse for the rip off of Battle Royale.

That is all.

Yeah i walked out of this movie saying "Battle Royal much?" Mixed with that short story "The Lottery" at least this one made it mainstream...

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by gwydionblack

 

I just noted when it began circulating that most the people approaching me to read it were people that generally didn't read much and/or were previously twilight fans. Just a personal observation. I am not saying it can't be a good book. I know nothing is original, but I just found it kind of annoying she didn't acknowledge battle royale and instead opted for the more abstract "it got the idea from greek myth" route.

Maybe the author or director of Battle Royale got it from Greek myth too?

I still don't see a problem here.

reply to post by Starchild23


the only problem I see outside of the rating.... was Battle Royal was one of the top grossing films of all time in Japan... in fact they made a new rating (like MPAA rating) for BR when it was released... it was a GROUND breaking film...

Hunger Games explained more about the government... Which made it more acceptable in the main stream eyes so people could take it more seriously... BR while ground breaking tends to be on the violent side

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
reply to post by Starchild23

 

the only problem I see outside of the rating.... was Battle Royal was one of the top grossing films of all time in Japan... in fact they made a new rating (like MPAA rating) for BR when it was released... it was a GROUND breaking film...

Hunger Games explained more about the government... Which made it more acceptable in the main stream eyes so people could take it more seriously... BR while ground breaking tends to be on the violent side

Precisely my point. BR seems to be largely for entertainment purposes, using political and philosophical intrigue to make you buy the ticket.

Hunger Games actually explains the theory behind the "madness", making the effort to educate us on the mechanics and goals behind the system we see in the movie.

I like movies that make you think, or introduce new concepts that totally blow your mind. But when it's done as a gimmick, it degrades the value of that principle. I appreciate Hunger Games for its earnest endeavor to show us the actual logic in the Greek myth, and how it would apply and function in modern-day society.