Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

From the Black Panther Spokesman...Mikihail Muhammad

'White America, we gave you 400 years to get it right and you still have failed black people"

"were not even citizens in this country"

"Were still 3rd class citizens"


No joke, guys like Mikhail may have the best intentions in the world, but his remarks and statements are beyond retarded and look bad on the black community and especially the people who follow him......

Originally posted by antmax21
reply to post by CoolStoryMan

 

Did Zimmerman have a concealed weapons license?
I would presume, him being a want to be police officer, he most likely did?
I've not kept up with this as deeply as others have...

That does not give him the right to blast someone, sorry bud.

Originally posted by dayve

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by R4inM4n

 

A 6'3" 17 year old who was punching him in he face...do you know how any juveniles are in jail for killing people..

wow....that makes no sense...he's 17 so he can't be dangerous..what world do you live in?

Why do you guys keep making excuses for this guy....

Because everyone here wants it to be a media conspiracy

Originally posted by jhn7537
From the Black Panther Spokesman...Mikihail Muhammad

'White America, we gave you 400 years to get it right and you still have failed black people"

"were not even citizens in this country"

"Were still 3rd class citizens"


No joke, guys like Mikhail may have the best intentions in the world, but his remarks and statements are beyond retarded and look bad on the black community......

He's one person, and you choose to paint a broad brush on the black community? SMH

Originally posted by GhettoRice


I WILL DESTROY THIS TREAD WITH LOGIC MUHUHAHAHAHAHA

LOGIC? You trying to scare people?

They don't want no damn logic.

reply to post by timetothink


Although i, like everyone else, want more info, the facts so far suggests Zimmerman was in error in shooting the boy. He sought the confrontation by approaching Trayvon. The fact that the dispatcher, who may not have authority, offered legal advice to avoid contact with Treyvon until the police arrived was ignored by Zimmerman. Had he followed the boy and instructed his observations to the police via his cell phone, Trayvon would be alive today.

Zimmerman did not have police powers and did not work under the color of authority. He approached the boy as if he had the authority to "Detain" him for questioning. Apparently he did not see the boy commit a crime and only had his suspicions of the boy's intentions. Legally, Zimmerman has no more power than a ordinary garden variety concerned citizen, and as such, had absolutely no right to approach Trayvon whatsoever.

The police, on the other hand, do work under the cover of authority. If they have probable cause to believe Trayvon may be involved in a criminal act, may detain him for questioning and look for the evidence necessary to effect an arrest. If no evidence is found, no witnesses statements of alleged criminal activity and assuming the police ran his identity through NCIC and there was no Wants and Warrants, Trayvon would have been released to pursue his business.

But John Wayne Zimmerman assumed otherwise. His actions was stupid. Personally i believe criminal charges will result any day soon. I don't think Zimmerman will be covered by the State's "Stand Your Ground" Law. To assume that no charges will be leveled because none have been done so far, may be foolish. It's possible State Prosecutors are doing their homework before filing charges. Actually, if nothing else, i would not be surprised if he is charged with denying Martin's Constitutional Rights. Regardless, even if he is not criminally charged his life is damaged beyond repair. He will spend a lot of money to defend himself and also he will have to look over his shoulder for retribution. My question to Zimmerman is: Was it worth it?

Having relaxed State Laws concerning guns, and the use of, does not necessarily give you a license to do stupid things. Zimmerman is finding this out as i speak. If you feel the need to carry, at least be knowledgeable of your responsibilities. You only have the right to use Deadly Force if/when you have reason to believe your life, or the life of another is in danger. Martin was stalked and was unarmed. I think Zimmerman will have to convince a jury his life was threatened.

I have noticed over the years many people have false beliefs over these issues. Often some find themselves behind bars as a result. I remember the multitude of opinions on the internet that was contrary to Law in the Rodney King case. Many believed the police was innocent when it was obvious that they was guilty. They were on video tape assaulting King while on the ground handcuffed. Not only was the fact doing such is a felony, but they also deviated from Police Procedures, as they are taught in the academy, that they only have the right to use only the force necessary to effect an arrest. Anything other than that is a crime and it was that point alone that resulted in their conviction.

reply to post by R4inM4n

If you think Zimmerman should be any where other the jail, you are a racist narrow-minded sheep.

I just have the ability to apply critical thought, and realize that not everything in this world has to come down to a criminal conviction.

reply to post by R4inM4n

So when did getting punched in the face = right to kill someone?(im not just talking about legal rights).

You never have the "right to kill." You have the authorization for the use of deadly force.

Deadly Force (as defined by the Department of Defense): Force that a person uses causing, or that a person knows or should know would create a substantial risk of causing death or serious bodily harm.

Serious Bodily Harm: bodily injury that causes a laceration that requires stitches; any fracture of a bone; a burn; a temporary loss of consciousness, sight or hearing; a concussion; or a loss or fracture of a tooth.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.laaw.com...

I can get into the Use of Force Continuum and the "Use of Deadly Force Triangle" - but, essentially, when you have someone wailing away on you, you are authorized to use deadly force to stop the immediate threat.

You are never authorized to kill someone - only to use force that may result in death to stop that threat.

reply to post by Annee


I know, from what Im seeing here it's falling on deaf ears.

Just trying to lighten the mood a bit as well

reply to post by CoolStoryMan


If you're following this damn fool youre damn right im going to call out that whole group.... He is the spokesman, he is speaking stupid sh*t, and people are standing behind him......

So athletes and celebrities are going to pay the $1million dollar reward for the person who captures Zimmerman?? I hope the person who captures him is locked up for kidnapping, and if George is murdered, I hope they are charged as an accomplice..... We have due process for a reason in this country, we dont need morons like the Black Panther Party trying to settle scores on the street

Originally posted by seabag

Zimmerman was volunteering on the neighborhood watch…

No he was not.

he wasn’t some vigilante out looking for a fight as he’s been portrayed here. I base that on what I’ve read so far…I’m sure more will come out.

Actually that is exactly what he was doing.

The police didn’t make an arrest which means based on the evidence they’ve gathered there has been no crime.

Yup, that is what that means. No innocent people in jail either.

Innocent until proven guilty!!

edit on 24-3-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

Tell that to Martin.

Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by CoolStoryMan

 

If you're following this damn fool youre damn right im going to call out that whole group.... He is the spokesman, he is speaking stupid sh*t, and people are standing behind him......

So athletes and celebrities are going to pay the $1million dollar reward for the person who captures Zimmerman?? I hope the person who captures him is locked up for kidnapping, and if George is murdered, I hope they are charged as an accomplice..... We have due process for a reason in this country, we dont need morons like the Black Panther Party trying to settle scores on the street

He is ONE PERSON.
The fact is statistically, Black people are treated unfairly by the justice system here.

LOL i love how you bring up Due Process, Trayvons family deserves some, I think that's all they want ACTUALLY

Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
reply to post by SpaceJ

 

All of you people saying Trayvons background has nothing to do with this,were proably banging the drum that zimmerman was arrested for resisting arrest at one point or another in your eariler post.Now that the shoes on the other foot you don't like it.The question of this thread is why is the "fair and balanced" media hiding Trayvons past and flouting Zimmermans?

OK, I will bite.
Martin's background matters.
Was it all his friends and family that loved him so much or his history of NO TROUBLE, NO FIGHTS, NO AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR, NO RUN INS WITH THE LAW, etc that you feel should be brought to light?
Me too!

reply to post by GhettoRice

By FOLLOWING as shown on the 9-11 tapes, he DOES loose his "stand your ground" claim.

No, he does not. Not that you provide any justification for this.

Trayvon was allowed there

Under whose authority?

(check out section b) as his calls to his GF which is NOT hearsay according to others show he tried to leave this man following him and had reason to suspect threat to his own safety.

You're missing something important, here. He has to indicate this to Zimmerman. Not his girlfriend. I can call you up and say: "Hey, man, there's this guy chasing me down..." and it doesn't qualify as me declaring that I wish to end aggressive action.

Further - without more fine details on the events between Zimmerman leaving his vehicle and the shooting - we cannot assume the "pursuit" and the shooting are at all linked.

If I pursue you - and you stop and start talking to me - I have not voided my rights to self-defense if you then decide to start trying to beat the piss out of me. The two events are separate in logical and legal terms.

I WILL DESTROY THIS TREAD WITH LOGIC MUHUHAHAHAHAHA

... I think you're getting a little too excited and missing details you would otherwise catch.

47 pages of bull#. Shame on all of us for giving this deluded OP a gavel.

Im gonna send this one over here cause the same Racist are in this thread too...
You are out of your mind... I get it Black people scare you, Its ok! the scare me a little too. Just cause someone "looks" scary from your perspective doesn't mean that you have anything to be afraid of. If Zimmerman was so scared of the dark he Should not have been outside at night. Since some kid that was not armed is dead...Zimmerman is going to have to pay for that by going to jail! If I KILLED (thats a forever thing) Someone that was not armed and people in the country had doubts. I would turn myself in and demand to be held until this has been sorted out. As a Scared little Racist Zimmerman should at least see the benefit in preventing a possible Riot where all the scary black man come and kill him,( and probably take some time doing it) I'm just saying... If the guy that killed MY son, was to much of a Racist/Pighead to admit he accidently killed my son, I would be a whole new world of pissed off...

reply to post by Aim64C


He was allowed because

(b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.

and

(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence

not to mention the law cannot be claimed if
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used


This is now where more investigation is needed.

Off to bed as well

Originally posted by seabag


I guess you missed a part of the story…

MARTIN KICKED HIS A@#!! I don’t care if he had skittles or not, he whopped the man’s A$#!! I would have shot him too if I was getting beaten down in a dark parking lot.

Confronting someone about why they are there is not justification for beating the guy up. Once Martin crossed that line and attacked Zimmerman he put himself at risk…and in this case the worst case scenario played out. As I said before, the moral of the story is – Be careful who you start punching in the face for no good reason because you might just end up shot!

edit on 24-3-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

How long were you watching this confrontation for?
You are POSITIVE that Martin attacked Zimmerman.
You are POSITIVE that all Zimmerman did was ask the kid to identify himself.

Make me as positive as you are about what occurred.
Or...stop making it up.
Either/or.

reply to post by Aim64C

I believe you are wrong and time will bear it out. Anyway, that's my opinion.

reply to post by R4inM4n

Im gonna send this one over here cause the same Racist are in this thread too...

Seriously, dude, stop being such a tool.

Just cause someone "looks" scary from your perspective doesn't mean that you have anything to be afraid of.

That's fine. They can go look scary some place else that isn't my domicile. I will escort them so that they don't scare too many other people in the process of being relocated.

If Zimmerman was so scared of the dark he Should not have been outside at night.

I wouldn't describe the man as being "afraid" of much.

Since some kid that was not armed is dead...Zimmerman is going to have to pay for that by going to jail!

Explain to me, again, how that is going to make the situation better.

I'm curious to think why you believe sending Zimmerman to jail is going to suddenly make everything okay - or suddenly repay some kind of debt.

Further... I'm not sure how an unarmed young man getting killed is grounds for sending someone to jail. If a black man were to shoot a white man - he would be put on trial, first (an unfair trial, of course, because no black people are ever given fair trials even with all black juries, judges, bailiffs, and attorneys).

If I KILLED (thats a forever thing) Someone that was not armed and people in the country had doubts. I would turn myself in and demand to be held until this has been sorted out.

I'm curious to test that theory out. I'd be more than willing to volunteer for such an experiment, of course. I'm curious to see just how your integrity holds up under a real test.

As a Scared little Racist Zimmerman should at least see the benefit in preventing a possible Riot where all the scary black man come and kill him,( and probably take some time doing it)

So, either way - he must comply with mob demands.

Great options.

I'm just saying... If the guy that killed MY son, was to much of a Racist/Pighead to admit he accidently killed my son, I would be a whole new world of pissed off...

If someone killed my son, I would not be so ignorant as to presume my son's actions infallible. I would have taught the boy how to avoid conflicts like that and trained him to be tough enough to deal with all but the most skilled of belligerent aggressors.

There's no reason to set out for vengeance on something like that.

Of course - what is Zimmerman supposed to say? Nothing he says will be adequate to the crowd currently chanting for his death. It's a fool's errand to even attempt to address such insanity.

reply to post by CoolStoryMan


Just curious but are you losing sleep over the death of this 17 year old? Can you not eat or sleep because of this tragedy??? Many people die each day and i dont see you on here creating threads over it... so why is this story so special??? Oh because the MSM tells you to care.... Senseless murders happen everyday, thats the reality of todays society, just accept it and move on