Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

These are some options. But in 7 days? Don’t think so.

Nuclear weapons
Kinetic impact
Asteroid gravitational tractor
Ion beam shepherd
Use of focused solar energy
Mass driver
Conventional rocket motor

Other Ideas:
Non-conventional engines, such as VASIMR

Wrapping the asteroid in a sheet of reflective plastic such as aluminized PET film as a solar sail

"Painting" or dusting the object with titanium dioxide (white) or soot (black) to alter its trajectory via the Yarkovsky effect.

Planetary scientist Eugene Shoemaker in 1996 proposed deflecting a potential impactor by releasing a cloud of steam in the path of the object, hopefully gently slowing it. Nick Szabo in 1990 sketched a similar idea, "cometary aerobraking", the targeting of a comet or ice construct at an asteroid, then vaporizing the ice with nuclear explosives to form a temporary atmosphere in the path of the asteroid.

Attaching a tether and ballast mass to the asteroid to alter its trajectory by changing its center of mass.

Laser ablation

Magnetic Flux Compression

A lot of different ideas, but again, 7 days? Isn't going to happen.

reply to post by SpaceJ

what is your source by which you confront me on my position?
you didnt read the thread, you jumped in like supergirl and to save the day.
You didnt hear the comment that the President made because you didnt read the thread
You dont link this issue to race because you havent kept up with the issue here on ATS

you attack my position assuming you know what I have said but you really havent discovered my position because you havent read the thread

reply to post by Propulsion


Uhhhh wrong thread?

Thought this was relevant.

My findings
Martin had a history of fighting

A friend of Martins believing that Martin fought Zimmerman

Martin - Gang affiliation. "Blood"

Friend of Martin wanting to buy marijuana from Martin

The apartment complex where Martin was shot

Police Report (official)

reply to post by rebellender


Again more rhetoric and ad hominem attacks, deal with our questions on a point by point basis please and keep it civil.

Originally posted by seabag

There is a witness that saw Zimmerman attacked.

What is his full name?

Police say they have a witness that told them Martin attacked Zimmerman before the shooting.

Then the chief stepped down.

The media interviewed this guy (JOHN) in the video below and police have taken his statement:

So this is the same media that is brainwashing into wanting a racewar then? Now I should trust them?

The OP already presented "John."
Where is his full name and sworn testimony?

This witness corroborated Zimmerman’s story, which is why no charges have been filed.

edit on 24-3-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

You know exactly why no charge were filed? Any documentation on that?

reply to post by SpaceJ

Would anyone have followed a 17 year old girl walking home in a hoodie in the first place?

You're applying hindsight, here.

Would I follow a figure wearing a hoodie who was walking alone at night and looking through windows in my neighborhood?

Me, personally, would watch that figure until it had cleared my property - but this was someone who was part of the Neighborhood Watch - and his responsibilities are to the neighborhood, in general.

You don't know where the figure is going, and can only infer other identifying factors (male/female, race, age, etc).

So he was suspicious just for being male?

Statistically, males are more suspect for burglary than females.

Of course, so are blacks... but that's profiling; and that's bad, even though it is instinctual and makes common sense to use profiling in order to manage risks and avert problems. Profiling doesn't mean you judge someone right off the bat - but that you accept the reality of the statistics and apply them to the situation.

What made him suspicious?

He was, reportedly, looking through windows as he passed. Given pictures of him available on public record - his recent manner of dress would insinuate gang affiliation or an admiration of the gang culture.

Zimmerman became the aggressor when he engaged in a running pursuit of someone he knew nothing about and had no reason to follow.

This is simply not the case. Other witness claims place Martin on top of Zimmerman with signs of a physical altercation.

The aggressor in this circumstance is nearly impossible to determine - as Zimmerman can be said to be implicitly aggressive by pursuing Martin - but Martin also had to redirect and subject Zimmerman to considerable physical force over a notable duration - which places Martin as committing to expressly aggressive behavior.

If you chase me down, do I have the right to turn around and proceed to beat the piss out of you? While I'm beating the piss out of you, do you have the right to self-defense, or did you somehow forfeit that when you started chasing me?

This is a case where self-defense can logically apply to either side.

This is why we are trained, in my security unit, to talk and vocalize to people. You can't expect people to know what it is you want from them (official security or as a vigilante). You have to tell them.

Of course - we don't know exactly what happened once Zimmerman left his car. We can only postulate. There are a lot of key things that could have happened (such as Zimmerman did get Martin to stop and talk... which means Zimmerman could have attempted to apprehend Martin for whatever reason; or that Martin simply decided to beat up on Zimmerman).

There are multiple things that could have happened - but self-defense can logically apply to both of their actions - and the decision of Martin to act in self-defense does not negate Zimmerman's right to self-defense.

Sometimes, two people get into a fight for reasons that are not criminal in nature - and the result is serious injury or death where self-defense still applies to both parties. Not all deaths have to have a murderer and a victim.

reply to post by Chalupas


Really these fb post do not show him with a history of fighting "who u fought?" is now a history of fighting I guess? The other fb posts and tweets are from friends grieving and hopping he whooped ass so that the loss of his life does not seem to be as trivial as a watchman not following protocol.

Edit: if you want history look at Zimmermans past legal/history

Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by SpaceJ

 

what is your source by which you confront me on my position?
you didnt read the thread, you jumped in like supergirl and to save the day.
You didnt hear the comment that the President made because you didnt read the thread
You dont link this issue to race because you havent kept up with the issue here on ATS

you attack my position assuming you know what I have said but you really havent discovered my position because you havent read the thread

edit on 24-3-2012 by rebellender because: (no reason given)

I read the thread, I didn't listen to Obama because that happened yesterday and really has no bearing on whether or this man is guilty, does it? I know it's linked to race, does that make it only about race?

Which of your opinions?

Originally posted by LErickson

Originally posted by seabag

There is a witness that saw Zimmerman attacked.

What is his full name?

Police say they have a witness that told them Martin attacked Zimmerman before the shooting.

Then the chief stepped down.

The media interviewed this guy (JOHN) in the video below and police have taken his statement:

So this is the same media that is brainwashing into wanting a racewar then? Now I should trust them?

The OP already presented "John."
Where is his full name and sworn testimony?

This witness corroborated Zimmerman’s story, which is why no charges have been filed.

edit on 24-3-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

You know exactly why no charge were filed? Any documentation on that?

Okay, first of all, a witness does not have to give their full name. Secondly, the case is nearly a month old. The police cheif stepped down probably in fear of his life and carreer.

Originally posted by GhettoRice
reply to post by Chalupas

 

Really these fb post do not show him with a history of fighting "who u fought?" is now a history of fighting I guess? The other fb posts and tweets are from friends grieving and hopping he whooped ass so that the loss of his life does not seem to be as trivial as a watchman not following protocol.

Edit: if you want history look at Zimmermans past legal/history

edit on 24-3-2012 by GhettoRice because: (no reason given)

Yes, the question asking Martin who he fought does indeed indicate that Martin had fought somebody. What else would it mean? Is your head so far up your a** that you can't interpret simple ebonic messages? Can you not put two and two together: That maybe Martin's violent past could have played a roll in the bloodied nose and blooded head of Zimmerman. Use common sense

reply to post by redrose123

Sounds like nothing more than MSM propaganda. It has been apparent at least to some that everything else has failed in creating riots in the US . There is now an attempt to cause race riots.

Keep in mind that the OP probably won't fully understand this concept...
He/She is too caught up in the story to realize that being caught up in the story was the whole point all along.

The OP wasn't there, doesn't know what happened, and has simply picked the side they think is right.

Personally, I would never live in a neighborhood where untrained vigilantes with hero dreams roamed the streets.

reply to post by Aim64C


Thank you immensely for actually responding!

Do you have a link to an article saying that he was looking into windows? I only read that he seemed to be "looking around" but it did not say anything that made me think he was purposefully looking into windows or the like. One article said that he didn't know the area well and because it was dark he was probably looking around to make sure he was going the right way. That does seem possible, I know that even in the neighborhood that I lived in for years I still had to look around while walking at night due to all the houses being so similar.

I wonder why Zimmerman didn't attempt to call out from far away to ask the kid what he was doing. I guess my instinct tells me that if you feel threatened by someone you should keep an eye on them but from afar...

By approaching someone you are risking giving the police another problem on top of whatever problem may or may not have existed in the first place, which is exactly what happened.

Originally posted by SpaceJ
He said "I think of my own children"

If the kid was white and Obama said this.

No one would notice.

There would be no comments.

Thought this was relevant.

My findings
Martin had a history of fighting

Um..history of fighting? One chopped pic of someone's tweet?

A friend of Martins believing that Martin fought Zimmerman

Again, a grieving friend's tweet?

Martin - Gang affiliation. "Blood"

Yeah, that's his brother.

Friend of Martin wanting to buy marijuana from Martin

I'm not seeing anyone wanting to buy anything from that.

The apartment complex where Martin was shot

Looks like a google earth shot from somewhere pieced together. No reference, no clear image of anything. Could be my backyard for all I can tell.

Police Report (official)

That doesn't state anything unknown so far in this thread.

reply to post by Annee


facts Annee stick with what did happen to make your point, there is enough speculation with the issue

Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy
Personally, I would never live in a neighborhood where untrained vigilantes with hero dreams roamed the streets.

edit on 24-3-2012 by DeReK DaRkLy because: ...

Ironic, because that post sounds like the type of tinfoil toting person who would.

reply to post by Chalupas


Calm down and play civil, where is the context of this post he had if you can find it? How does this show he had a history of fighting by asking said question(I asked people at school if someone had fought even though I was mild mannered and never fought myself). Explain how his post constitutes a history of fighting so I can understand.

reply to post by CoherentlyConfused


Thank you for continually bringing logic back to this thread.

Sanford police say they cannot arrest Zimmerman because he claims self-defense and evidence backs that up, including witness accounts and what officers saw when they arrived: Zimmerman with a bloody nose.

www.palmbeachpost.com...

Again ...in case the police observations mean anything.