Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

Originally posted by kdog1982
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

I find it funny that your avatar is a mug shot of Zimmerman from 2005.

In 2005, a woman filed a petition for an injunction against Zimmerman, claiming that he came to her house and became violent when she told him to leave, the Orlando Sentinel reports. Zimmerman, 21 at the time, filed a petition of his own in response. Just a month before that, the paper reports, Zimmerman was at a bar near the University of Central Florida when a friend was arrested on suspicion of serving minors. Zimmerman became profane and pushed a law enforcement agent who tried to escort him away. He was arrested after a short struggle. That arrest had been reported previously.

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Guess you forgot the part he was aquitted
of all charges..
Don't forget that part, he has never been CONVICTED
of a crime...

Theres that hang whitey mentality again...
GROW UP

I was bloodthirsty going after Zimmerman, but it seems that the OP has made me look at things a bit differently. I have been getting all my news from CNN, fox, MSNBC etc and they were playing the tapes where zimmerman uses expletives and was told by the police not to follow trayvon. If he was told not to follow, why did he pick a fight with larger individual...was it because he knew he had a gun and would be able to defend himself?

Basically what I am saying is that did Zimmerman intentionally pick a larger black man to target knowing he was armed so he could use his weapon?

Ok so here's my two cents on one of these million random trayvon threads, this is post if for me to get it out, I doubt anyone will read this whole post, and this thread seems to favor Zimmerman blindly, whatever.

Here is my take, from what i have read in various articles. To start, Trayvon was unarmed, except being 6'3, and in football shape, albeit a modest 140. Zimmerman is 5'2 and fat. Trayvon has an upper hand there, which will come in later.

Zimmerman "profiled" Trayvon. Whether it was cause he was black and wearing a hoodie or just a young punk looking kid is up for debate. Most likely it was cause he was black and Zimmerman reportedly has caught a young black burglar in the act, and others suspected. For whatever this is worth, I am totally white, I was stopped a few years ago in front of a school I had parked to make a phone call at night. Almost as soon as I stopped, a car pulled up and accused me of being a robber, it was the neighborhood watch captain. Also, when I was 21, I left my apartments one night to get food across the street, and before I could get out of the parking lot, i was stopped by two undercover cops accusing me of being on drugs and I was only there to buy drugs, and it was where I lived. So, i have a hard time believing Zimmerman is this hardcore racist. He is suspicious of suspicious people.
Trayvon was suspended for ten days at the time. I did some really, really bad things in high school and was never suspended for more than 5 days. Reports are conflicting whether the suspension was for trespassing, or some say attendance. Once again, I ditched school daily, and never got more than a few days in school suspension, and either way, a suspension that long says a lot about his family life, and a possibly mischievous nature. I mean, come on folks, race aside, if you are on a ten day suspension of trespassing and you are accused of looking into windows of random houses, I mean, upper hand accuser there.

Does this warrant him being shot? Of course not. But, it does explain why Zimmerman was reported in saying Trayvon was looking through house windows, prompting the worst perfect racial storm in recent memory.

You have Trayvon, a young black male wearing a hoodie at night in a gated neighborhood that he doesn't live, which has been hit by young black males in the past. Combine this with a short, fat, most likely angry and repressed neighborhood watch captain carrying a gun which he knew how to use, and knows he could get away with it due to the laws in Florida, nothing good is going to happen.

With everything I've read and heard, this is what I believed happened.

Trayvon was being followed, his girlfriend seemed to put the thought in his head the person wanted to hurt him. Zimmerman got out of the car for one reason or another, and there was a confrontation at some point. It's possible that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman preemptively and HE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO. Trayvon was provoked, Zimmerman never should have ever got out of that car, let alone take a gun out of his house . Trayvon was most likely beating the hell out of the guy, not knowing if the guy was following him to kill him or not. It's a shame Trayvon did not kill Zimmerman first, because Zimmerman probably realized this man sized boy had the power to hurt him bad, and yes his life was in danger, but it was totally his fault. It's like standing on a roller coaster and then suing for getting hurt.

Trayvon is now dead, and Zimmerman is free, well, as free as the most hated man in america can be.

Now tell us how you really feel america.

Blacks are outraged, and they should be. Look at how this is being portrayed in the media. It's basically, young black honor student murdered in cold blood by much bigger trigger happy paranoid neighborhood watch nazi.

The area here is so grey it's ridiculous. Shouldn't the neighbors be held negligent because no one came out when people were screaming for help? This is an epidemic in america, no one will help anyone because they are worried about themselves.

When it comes down to it, Trayvon was a young black male wearing a hoodie at night in the wrong place at the wrong time, due to many different circumstances. Zimmerman has to be arrested and serve time for manslaughter, I think 10-15 years in a federal prison would be a good start. BUT, Zimmerman deserves a fair trial just like any other American, not a lynch mob.


I try to be equal to all people and never judge anyone based on the color of their skin. I believe my generation has bad eggs, but the majority is out to help each other. I really hope this somehow works out to show that most white people (look at the protest photos) are on your side. Unfortunately, my generation doesn't make the laws or run the police.

reply to post by popsmayhem


i never would have seen this thread IF IT DIDNT HAVE CAPS!


i dont know all the details of this case , and i think only one person really does.


so is it legal in the usa now to shoot and kill someone who beats you up?

reply to post by popsmayhem


No whitey involved,not of concern.Not about white man killing a black kid in my book,it's about some dude killing a kid.
I never made this out to be a racists thing,maybe others and the msm ,but not me.
We don't know the outcome.

In both cases, injunctions have kept the cases' outcomes sealed.

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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
I was bloodthirsty going after Zimmerman, but it seems that the OP has made me look at things a bit differently. I have been getting all my news from CNN, fox, MSNBC etc and they were playing the tapes where zimmerman uses expletives and was told by the police not to follow trayvon. If he was told not to follow, why did he pick a fight with larger individual...was it because he knew he had a gun and would be able to defend himself?

Basically what I am saying is that did Zimmerman intentionally pick a larger black man to target knowing he was armed so he could use his weapon?

Zimmerman was larger than than boy killed. And all the OP is doing is claiming that Zimmerman is innocent by self defense because he was attacked first, which is not stated by ANY witness and has no factual basis. One witness said they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, but that's all. They could have witnessed the middle of the altercation. They did not see who attacked who.

So there's no evidence to show Mr. Z was innocent and the police just assumed that? That's what the OP had at least. Who is on top of who and doing the beating is irrelevant to the case. So where's the witness / evidence that shows Martin attacked Zimmerman and not the other way around? OP only has someone who didn't see what happened.

reply to post by SpaceJ


Wow... +1 for reading my mind

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by rebellender

 

That's the thing. Most people would either freeze when faced with a heavier guy having a gun, or run in panic. Very very few people would actually attack a guy with a gun unless they are drunk.

So if Trayvon froze, Zimmerman had no reason to shoot. And if Trayvon ran, he also didn't have a legit reason.

So the only way he can somewhat justify it is if Trayvon attacked him...which makes NO SENSE whatsoever given what we know. Trayvon was smaller and a lot lighter, faced a heavier guy holding a gun. Realistically, does it make sense for Trayvon to go after Zimmerman? Like I said, I've been Thai boxing for years...but if I faced a guy with a gun, I would back down if I saw any way of getting out of it alive without a fight. To me it seems almost insane to suggest Trayvon went after that heavier guy with his gun.

And if he didn't, it's pretty clear that this isn't a case of self defence. Add to that the police tapes with Zimmerman's racial slur, and the fact that the racist police chief has skeletons in his closet...and well, it just seems waaaay more logical to assume Zimmerman was pumped up on adrenalin and simply spazzed out. # happens, and it's incredibly sad...but it's even sadder to pretend the illogical explanation (Trayvon somehow threatened Zimmerman's life) makes any sense.

only thing I can figure is Martin ran strait off, giving Zimmerman reason to pursue. Zimmerman saw Martin hide, so confrontation , maybe , Martin saw gun in belt and struggled for it Zimmerman won the argument...this is the best I can do with the info we have, is it right or wrong, I wasnt there and its not my call to make. Is there a racial overtone to it, you bet there is and thats a problem that has been swept under the rug and made prevalent with the Obama election and then with the origin of the tea party.
This country has a race problem it is multi racial.

Originally posted by SpaceJ
One witness said they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, but that's all. They could have witnessed the middle of the altercation. They did not see who attacked who.

Treyvon was looking for a fight
and thought he was going
to pick on this guy..
The fact that zimmerman was in a position
to HAVE TO defend himself as the witness
even saw treyvon on top of zimmerman
put zimmerman in a position where he could
with lethal force defend himself if neccesary
in the state i live in FL. a stand your ground
state..

TREYVON should of never even got on top of zimmerman
and none of this would of happened..

Young, dumb, and stupid mistake some people
do not get to learn from theirs.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Guess you forgot the part he was aquitted
of all charges..
Don't forget that part, he has never been CONVICTED
of a crime...

Nothing to do with his father being a retired judge, right?

"The portrayal of George Zimmerman in the media, as well as the series of events that led to the tragic shooting, are false and extremely misleading," his father, a retired magistrate judge, wrote in a letter published in the Orlando Sentinel. "Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas."

Originally posted by rebellender

only thing I can figure is Martin ran strait off, giving Zimmerman reason to pursue.

edit on 24-3-2012 by rebellender because: (no reason given)

That's some logic right there. So if I see some creeper following me on my way home and run because he scares me I have just given him reason to follow me?

Originally posted by links234

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Guess you forgot the part he was aquitted
of all charges..
Don't forget that part, he has never been CONVICTED
of a crime...

Nothing to do with his father being a retired judge, right?

"The portrayal of George Zimmerman in the media, as well as the series of events that led to the tragic shooting, are false and extremely misleading," his father, a retired magistrate judge, wrote in a letter published in the Orlando Sentinel. "Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas."

People get charged with bogus stuff everyday..

If they could of convicted him they would have...

They couldn't..

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by SpaceJ
One witness said they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, but that's all. They could have witnessed the middle of the altercation. They did not see who attacked who.

Treyvon was looking for a fight
and thought he was going
to pick on this guy..
The fact that zimmerman was in a position
to HAVE TO defend himself as the witness
even saw treyvon on top of zimmerman
put zimmerman in a position where he could
with lethal force defend himself if neccesary
in the state i live in FL. a stand your ground
state..

TREYVON should of never even got on top of zimmerman
and none of this would of happened..

Young, dumb, and stupid mistake some people
do not get to learn from theirs.

edit on 24-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)

Please, he was not looking for a fight. If he was looking for a fight he never would have ran. You run in the opposite direction when you want to fight a person? You do not know how Trayvon got on top of Zimmerman! You don't even know that he was.

Originally posted by SpaceJ
Please, he was not looking for a fight. If he was looking for a fight he never would have ran. You run in the opposite direction when you want to fight a person? You do not know how Trayvon got on top of Zimmerman! You don't even know that he was.

He should of kept running
and never jumped on top of zimmerman

Originally posted by SpaceJ

Originally posted by rebellender

only thing I can figure is Martin ran strait off, giving Zimmerman reason to pursue.

edit on 24-3-2012 by rebellender because: (no reason given)

That's some logic right there. So if I see some creeper following me on my way home and run because he scares me I have just given him reason to follow me?

this wasnt a 12 year old eating candy and drinking tea. Why does a young man run who has done nothing. Argument can go both ways...its a shame you cant see there is no reason to any argument and not argue over any simple reason. Back at YOU

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Treyvon was looking for a fight
and thought he was going
to pick on this guy..

Source this please.

The fact that zimmerman was in a position
to HAVE TO defend himself as the witness
even saw treyvon on top of zimmerman
put zimmerman in a position where he could
with lethal force defend himself if neccesary
in the state i live in FL. a stand your ground
state..

What makes you think it wasn't Martin who was defending himself?

TREYVON should of never even got on top of zimmerman
and none of this would of happened..

So if it was Mr. Z who attacked Martin and Martin doesn't fight back this wouldn't have happened? So if Martin just played dead Z would've not killed him? What if Z was looking for a fight and thought he could just kill this young guy and claim self defense? Would've could've, should've...

Doesn't matter who attacked who first. Just speculating,but it seems just based off of what we know, there was no reason for this altercation to end in the way it did.

First the kid didn't have a weapon on him at all. Second Zimmerman pursued after the kid to start with. I watched an interview with one of Zimmerman's neighbors and he said that Zimmerman went above and beyond when it came to his neighborhood watch duty.

What it seems like to me is that this guy Zimmerman was looking for a confirmation like this and Trayvon just happened to be the person that Zimmerman got to act out his fantasy on.

Originally posted by rebellender

This country has a race problem it is multi racial.

edit on 24-3-2012 by rebellender because: (no reason given)

So finally you reveal what you are all about. That is all you had to say dude.
Now you have convinced everyone about your reason for all the rationalizations, and excuses.