Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by Annee
What Facts?

The only known facts are the 911 tapes.

I'd like to call the police report Facts - - - but I really can't.

Beyond that - - EVERYTHING is speculation.

Those 911 tapes were doctored
the eye witness accounts were not..
Eye witness testimony is not speculation,
sworn statement knowingly lying is purjury.
The msm get away with lying though an eye witness
can't. The fbi has been in on this, the local pd, state pd, and DOJ all of them,
they are pretty good at sniffing
out the truth... They could of at anytime come out and charged him
if there was evidence of zimmerman not acting in self defense, where
are they, with the whole media attack group, and all those departments
on this, where are they? It does not need to go to a grand jury
if THEY had evidence.. Grand jury is the last resort..

Im purely speculating, but because of timing I think he is, again, for some reason being given the courtesy of having one last Easter at home before this S hits the fan. I have no way of knowing, just a feeling, but the Special Prosecutor removed the 911 calls and other things from the SPD website, and according to legal experts talking about this case that signaled to them she is ready to make her decision. I think Monday will be an exciting day for this case.

According to people who know the Special Prosecutor and according to her own interview on one of the talk shows she doesn't use a grand jury. She knows the grand jury will be convining on tues. but she has never indicated that she planned to take it front of them.

Again, this is all speculation on my part, just feelings based on what I am seeing. Zimmermans lawyers always talk like they plan for him to be charged...i.e....'that evidence will come out in court...etc.'....

I just think the timing with holiday has held up wanting to make a public outcry....in either direction.

I think the Special Prosecutor knows, as I type this whether she is going to file charges, take it to the grand jury, or decide not to go any further. Monday will be interesting, and if nothing happens then, Tuesday will be a tension filled day in this country.

Just my opinion...dont attack and say I don't know anything...I know I'm speculating. ;-)

Originally posted by cdesigns

Originally posted by pizzanazi75
This may be a little off topic, but I really don't think so.

Race tensions are heating up in this country....it is scary.

Police are looking for a 'white male in a white pick up'.....5 shootings of black people in a 7 hour period.

Tulsa Oklahoma Shooter On The Loose,"Targeting Black People To

Something that I agree with you, this looks like a hate crime, just like some kids beaten up and old man and saying it was for Trayvon.

I agree about the old man....difference is they have been charged and Trayvon NEVER asked them to do it, dont blame him for a crime THEY committed.....but it is still outrageous. I am fully aware racism goes black/white white/black black/hispanic hispanic/white etc etc.....its all nonsense to me.

If I was black Id be afraid to live in Tulsa til this crazy lunatic is caught...

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Those 911 tapes were doctored

The original 911 tapes are recorded by the police dept (or call center - whatever).

The original 911 tapes are not doctored - - and are the only real solid facts in this case.

Are you for real?

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Those 911 tapes were doctored

The original 911 tapes are recorded by the police dept (or call center - whatever).

The original 911 tapes are not doctored - - and are the only real solid facts in this case.

Are you for real?

Thats the problem we are having, sifting through
the lies already been told and the MSM media has said
very little exposing the doctored 911 tapes..

We know where to hear the original 911 tapes,
the damage has been done from the MSM's doctored ones.
If the 911 tapes are the only real solid facts in this case,
right here the young person calling in tell the 911 dispatch
that there is a fight with a guy on top wearing white and the guy
on bottom in red..
Is this kid lying too? Eye decieved him and EVERYONE else?

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Those 911 tapes were doctored

The original 911 tapes are recorded by the police dept (or call center - whatever).

The original 911 tapes are not doctored - - and are the only real solid facts in this case.

Are you for real?

Thats the problem we are having, sifting through
the lies already been told and the MSM media has said
very little exposing the doctored 911 tapes..

We know where to hear the original 911 tapes,
the damage has been done from the MSM's doctored ones.
If the 911 tapes are the only real solid facts in this case,
right here the young person calling in tell the 911 dispatch
that there is a fight with a guy on top wearing white and the guy
on bottom in red..

Is this kid lying too? Eye decieved him and EVERYONE else?

There are a couple problems with this witness....first off this caller is 30 and not a kid. She states so right in the call. Second. She said she saw a white 't-shirt'....we all know treyvon had on a sweat shirt, zimmerman howerver had on a very light colored 'tshirt' on under his jacket....who is to say his jacket had come up over his head in the struggle and that is what she saw...it was dark, this happened fast? the point is it doesn't matter if Trayvon WAS on top...this caller didn't see the START of the altercation .... Third....this caller never said anything about the person in red being on bottom....she very clearly states 'couldn't see'..Fourth...the 911 tapes aren't the only real evidence in this case....so is the autopsy report, forensics on zimmermans clothes, forensics on Trayvon's clothes and body, etc.....i mean the 911 is not the ONLY evidence...its part of the evidence.

nm

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Those 911 tapes were doctored

The original 911 tapes are recorded by the police dept (or call center - whatever).

The original 911 tapes are not doctored - - and are the only real solid facts in this case.

Are you for real?

Thats the problem we are having, sifting through
the lies already been told and the MSM media has said

I'm not having any problem. The "outside" investigators will hear the full 911 tapes. They are the only 100% actual fact in this case.

The "outside" investigators are going to get their info from MSM??????

What planet do you live on?

I don't live in Fantasyland. I may visit it now and then - - - but I draw the line at death.

Originally posted by pizzanazi75

There are a couple problems with this witness....first off this caller is 30 and not a kid. She states so right in the call. Second. She said she saw a white 't-shirt'....we all know treyvon had on a sweat shirt, zimmerman howerver had on a very light colored 'tshirt' on under his jacket....who is to say his jacket had come up over his head in the struggle and that is what she saw...it was dark, this happened fast? the point is it doesn't matter if Trayvon WAS on top...this caller didn't see the START of the altercation .... Third....this caller never said anything about the person in red being on bottom....she very clearly states 'couldn't see'..Fourth...the 911 tapes aren't the only real evidence in this case....so is the autopsy report, forensics on zimmermans clothes, forensics on Trayvon's clothes and body, etc.....i mean the 911 is not the ONLY evidence...its part of the evidence.

Well then we can agree the 911 tapes
are not the only solid facts in this case
and all evidence needs to be weighed
and pondered.. I understand they are not
while others say the 911 tapes are the only
solid facts, I point to the 911 call of
the young person on the phone obviously
seeing a fight with a guy on top in white.

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by pizzanazi75

There are a couple problems with this witness....first off this caller is 30 and not a kid. She states so right in the call. Second. She said she saw a white 't-shirt'....we all know treyvon had on a sweat shirt, zimmerman howerver had on a very light colored 'tshirt' on under his jacket....who is to say his jacket had come up over his head in the struggle and that is what she saw...it was dark, this happened fast? the point is it doesn't matter if Trayvon WAS on top...this caller didn't see the START of the altercation .... Third....this caller never said anything about the person in red being on bottom....she very clearly states 'couldn't see'..Fourth...the 911 tapes aren't the only real evidence in this case....so is the autopsy report, forensics on zimmermans clothes, forensics on Trayvon's clothes and body, etc.....i mean the 911 is not the ONLY evidence...its part of the evidence.

Well then we can agree the 911 tapes
are not the only solid facts in this case
and all evidence needs to be weighed
and pondered.. I understand they are not
while others say the 911 tapes are the only
solid facts, I point to the 911 call of
the young person on the phone obviously
seeing a fight with a guy on top in white.

edit on 7-4-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)

But you discount that they didn't see the beginning of the altercation or the fact that, maybe just maybe they saw Zimmermans light colored Tshirt.

Are you saying that just because at one point Trayvon may have been on top that proves he started it?

So if you punch me in the face and we struggle to the ground, and a witness sees me on top when they look out the window.....does that mean you didn't punch me in the face first?

reply to post by popsmayhem


I never heard any edited 911 tapes so why you are yapping on and on about it is asinine. It was played on NBC one time and the producer has been fired. Who else is playing edited 911 tapes? I am getting most of my media driven news on this from Sean Hannity so you need to give up blaming media distortion.

Originally posted by pizzanazi75
But you discount that they didn't see the beginning of the altercation or the fact that, maybe just maybe they saw Zimmermans light colored Tshirt.

Are you saying that just because at one point Trayvon may have been on top that proves he started it?

So if you punch me in the face and we struggle to the ground, and a witness sees me on top when they look out the window.....does that mean you didn't punch me in the face first?

If I punch you in the face, then you punch me in
the face, we are even. If treyvon was punched
there would be signs of trauma, bruise, cut,
something indicating there was a struggle.
From what we know, treyvon shows no signs
of this. How could zimmerman have punched treyvon
at all and there be no signs of it? Zimmerman was armed
and had no clue if treyvon was. Why would someone as
Zimmerman with a CCW start a fist fight when the other guy
could be armed and already seems suspicious?
If we believe zimmerman is this big strong guy
and treyvon some small little kid, how could treyvon
get zimmerman on the ground, on his back, on top of him, in a fight unless he sucker punched
and ambushed zimmerman first?

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Well then we can agree the 911 tapes are not the only solid facts in this case

Let's be clear. That is NOT what I said.

I said the 911 calls are 100% fact.

That is because they are recorded.

I am NOT saying - - there aren't other facts.

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by pizzanazi75
But you discount that they didn't see the beginning of the altercation or the fact that, maybe just maybe they saw Zimmermans light colored Tshirt.

Are you saying that just because at one point Trayvon may have been on top that proves he started it?

So if you punch me in the face and we struggle to the ground, and a witness sees me on top when they look out the window.....does that mean you didn't punch me in the face first?

If I punch you in the face, then you punch me in
the face, we are even. If treyvon was punched
there would be signs of trauma, bruise, cut,
something indicating there was a struggle.
From what we know, treyvon shows no signs
of this. How could zimmerman have punched treyvon
at all and there be no signs of it? Zimmerman was armed
and had no clue if treyvon was. Why would someone as
Zimmerman with a CCW start a fist fight when the other guy
could be armed and already seems suspicious?
If we believe zimmerman is this big strong guy
and treyvon some small little kid, how could treyvon
get zimmerman on the ground, on his back, on top of him, in a fight unless he sucker punched
and ambushed zimmerman first?

You avoided the question. And I never said you punched me back. You cant add to it. If I punch you first and then we go to the ground and you get on top and a witness sees that does that mean you started it? NO it doesn't.

You were basing zimmermans defense on an eye witness seeing Trayvon on top an using that to prove Trayvon started the fight. Which proves nothing.

I personally don't think Trayvon punched anyone. I think Zimmerman was following Trayvon and Trayvon asked 'why are you following me' he replied 'what are you doing around here' and Trayvon turned to walk away OR run and Zimmerman grabbed his arm to 'detain' him. (This would also explain his head set falling to the ground) In that process, I would GUESS (like we all are) that Trayvon probably got an elbow to Zimmermans nose (this could be backed up if there was Zimmerman blood on Trayvons elbow on the hoodie, was there? WE DONT KNOW), thus the blood on his nose, ....and at some point they fell to the ground and struggled...getting the scratches NOT gashes, if any type of wounds to the back of his head. That would explain how Trayvon didn't have cuts and bruises. Everyone is just assuming that a fist fight happened ..... Zimmerman is the ONLY one who says Trayvon punched him to start the fight....I don't think that happened...I think the witness saw the scuffle on the ground....none of them report punching or banging of heads .... I believe it was just a struggle on the ground ...

A scuffle wouldn't necessarily leave marks on Trayvon....Zimmerman had no hair to protect the back of his head from scratches.....We don't know if Trayvon's hair may have prevented scratches to his head....we just don't know....and like I said, maybe Trayvon elbowed Zimmerman AFTER zimmerman grabbed his arm ....just because Trayvon injured Zimmerman doesn't mean a thing at all...and it doesn't mean he used his fist.

Zimmerman said in his 911 cal 'These a'holes always get away' .... First off....who are 'These a'holes' thats profiling ...maybe not racial, but he did profile based on something, what we still don't know....Second....Zimmerman decided that that night not another one of 'these a'holes' was gonna get away. To me that sets Zimmerman's mindset ... take out race, take out any other factor. Zimmerman had PRESUMED Trayvon a criminal and 'this a'hole' WASN"T getting away. And 5 minutes later there is a dead teenager that Zimmerman admitted following and shooting. Zimmerman has a history of aggression and a great desire to be a cop .... all of that evidence to means at the very least justifies probable cause for an arrest and trial.....I wish to god you could see it too.

Originally posted by pizzanazi75
You avoided the question. And I never said you punched me back. You cant add to it. If I punch you first and then we go to the ground and you get on top and a witness sees that does that mean you started it? NO it doesn't.

You were basing zimmermans defense on an eye witness seeing Trayvon on top an using that to prove Trayvon started the fight. Which proves nothing.

I personally don't think Trayvon punched anyone. I think Zimmerman was following Trayvon and Trayvon asked 'why are you following me' he replied 'what are you doing around here' and Trayvon turned to walk away OR run and Zimmerman grabbed his arm to 'detain' him. (This would also explain his head set falling to the ground) In that process, I would GUESS (like we all are) that Trayvon probably got an elbow to Zimmermans nose (this could be backed up if there was Zimmerman blood on Trayvons elbow on the hoodie, was there? WE DONT KNOW), thus the blood on his nose, ....and at some point they fell to the ground and struggled...getting the scratches NOT gashes, if any type of wounds to the back of his head. That would explain how Trayvon didn't have cuts and bruises. Everyone is just assuming that a fist fight happened ..... Zimmerman is the ONLY one who says Trayvon punched him to start the fight....I don't think that happened...I think the witness saw the scuffle on the ground....none of them report punching or banging of heads .... I believe it was just a struggle on the ground ...

A scuffle wouldn't necessarily leave marks on Trayvon....Zimmerman had no hair to protect the back of his head from scratches.....We don't know if Trayvon's hair may have prevented scratches to his head....we just don't know....and like I said, maybe Trayvon elbowed Zimmerman AFTER zimmerman grabbed his arm ....just because Trayvon injured Zimmerman doesn't mean a thing at all...and it doesn't mean he used his fist.

Zimmerman said in his 911 cal 'These a'holes always get away' .... First off....who are 'These a'holes' thats profiling ...maybe not racial, but he did profile based on something, what we still don't know....Second....Zimmerman decided that that night not another one of 'these a'holes' was gonna get away. To me that sets Zimmerman's mindset ... take out race, take out any other factor. Zimmerman had PRESUMED Trayvon a criminal and 'this a'hole' WASN"T getting away. And 5 minutes later there is a dead teenager that Zimmerman admitted following and shooting. Zimmerman has a history of aggression and a great desire to be a cop .... all of that evidence to means at the very least justifies probable cause for an arrest and trial.....I wish to god you could see it too.

Ok, I'm hearing it out, I understand why some
people might think* there should be a trial,
but on what charges?

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by pizzanazi75
You avoided the question. And I never said you punched me back. You cant add to it. If I punch you first and then we go to the ground and you get on top and a witness sees that does that mean you started it? NO it doesn't.

You were basing zimmermans defense on an eye witness seeing Trayvon on top an using that to prove Trayvon started the fight. Which proves nothing.

I personally don't think Trayvon punched anyone. I think Zimmerman was following Trayvon and Trayvon asked 'why are you following me' he replied 'what are you doing around here' and Trayvon turned to walk away OR run and Zimmerman grabbed his arm to 'detain' him. (This would also explain his head set falling to the ground) In that process, I would GUESS (like we all are) that Trayvon probably got an elbow to Zimmermans nose (this could be backed up if there was Zimmerman blood on Trayvons elbow on the hoodie, was there? WE DONT KNOW), thus the blood on his nose, ....and at some point they fell to the ground and struggled...getting the scratches NOT gashes, if any type of wounds to the back of his head. That would explain how Trayvon didn't have cuts and bruises. Everyone is just assuming that a fist fight happened ..... Zimmerman is the ONLY one who says Trayvon punched him to start the fight....I don't think that happened...I think the witness saw the scuffle on the ground....none of them report punching or banging of heads .... I believe it was just a struggle on the ground ...

A scuffle wouldn't necessarily leave marks on Trayvon....Zimmerman had no hair to protect the back of his head from scratches.....We don't know if Trayvon's hair may have prevented scratches to his head....we just don't know....and like I said, maybe Trayvon elbowed Zimmerman AFTER zimmerman grabbed his arm ....just because Trayvon injured Zimmerman doesn't mean a thing at all...and it doesn't mean he used his fist.

Zimmerman said in his 911 cal 'These a'holes always get away' .... First off....who are 'These a'holes' thats profiling ...maybe not racial, but he did profile based on something, what we still don't know....Second....Zimmerman decided that that night not another one of 'these a'holes' was gonna get away. To me that sets Zimmerman's mindset ... take out race, take out any other factor. Zimmerman had PRESUMED Trayvon a criminal and 'this a'hole' WASN"T getting away. And 5 minutes later there is a dead teenager that Zimmerman admitted following and shooting. Zimmerman has a history of aggression and a great desire to be a cop .... all of that evidence to means at the very least justifies probable cause for an arrest and trial.....I wish to god you could see it too.

Ok, I'm hearing it out, I understand why some
people might think* there should be a trial,
but on what charges?

OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you !!!!!!

I would say the charge would be negligent homicide....that is what the lead investigator was going to charge him with that night. That should be the charge he should defend himself in a court of law over.

But thank you for admitting it!!! ;-)

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So much cattle dung you can not keep track of your posts? Ha ha ha. Zimmerman still walks. If any of you want to be responsible for rewriting the Laws of the 50 States be my guest. Yes sir poster I am speaking on behalf of all your posts.

Clearly you have a grasp on the law and are willing to stick your reputation on the line. Come on boy let's have it your way for oh say 24 hrs. Should do it , what does every body think?

A lot of things could have happened.

Treyvon could have been annoyed he was being followed and decided to challenge Zimmerman. He may have thought he could get the better of Zimmerman and attacked him. At this point the gun could have been put into play. I doubt he would attack if Zimmerman had a gun drawn.

Just a possibility.

Originally posted by Paschar0
A lot of things could have happened.

Treyvon could have been annoyed he was being followed and decided to challenge Zimmerman. He may have thought he could get the better of Zimmerman and attacked him. At this point the gun could have been put into play. I doubt he would attack if Zimmerman had a gun drawn.

Just a possibility.

'annoyed he was being followed'.....um I would say more 'scared he was being followed by a man who was just watching in a large SUV'.....i mean .... annoyed, really? Would your reaction to that same situation be 'annoyed'?

Maybe Zimmerman was 'annoyed' at crime in his neighborhood and profiled a young teenager as a thief and decided to make sure 'this a'hole' didn't get away by all means possible.

More likely.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
If I punch you in the face, then you punch me in
the face, we are even.

So you are 12? Good luck with that in court.

"Your honor, I declare us even stevens!"


"Even." Somewhere a sandbox is really missing a drooler.

If treyvon was punched
there would be signs of trauma, bruise, cut,
something indicating there was a struggle.
From what we know, treyvon shows no signs
of this. How could zimmerman have punched treyvon
at all and there be no signs of it? Zimmerman was armed
and had no clue if treyvon was. Why would someone as
Zimmerman with a CCW start a fist fight when the other guy
could be armed and already seems suspicious?
If we believe zimmerman is this big strong guy
and treyvon some small little kid, how could treyvon
get zimmerman on the ground, on his back, on top of him, in a fight unless he sucker punched
and ambushed zimmerman first?

Works both ways but your bias is so thick you will never admit it. If Trayvon had been beating Zimmerman, HE WOULD HAVE BRUISES.

You either get that but refuse to admit it or it confuses the # out of you because you refuse to acknowledge it and it is the #ing truth!

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Did you actually have something to say?