Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

Ok here is the Article refer to my link to MIAMI PD if you need ask them any questions
More shenanigans of an outstanding student and model citizen

Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin

"According to the report, on Oct. 21 staffers monitoring a security camera at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School spotted Trayvon and two other students writing “W.T.F.,” an acronym for “What the f---,” on a hallway locker, according to schools police. The security employee, who knew Trayvon, confronted the teen and looked through his bag for the graffiti marker. Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool."

www.miamiherald.com...

Unless he was a mechanic and a cross dresser it is fairly obvious what he was. Oh and he used the "It's not mine it is my friends" excuse commonly used by criminals Treyvon said to police.

The court of law says they don't. It's called hearsay. George could have and would have told them anything. I can say anything I want does that make it true? And haven't we already established that if we can't believe people that support Treyvon like family/friends/coaches than why should we believe those same people from Zimmerman?

No longer hearsay when you hav witnesses. Zimmerman has witnesses in his favor. That is a game changer. Treyvons gf said she hear a shove sound over the phone lol.

.Your link isn't to any type of article ... so I have no idea what that is arguing.

What link? I sent you to MIAMI PD, that is the best source possible

So I guess if we go to your facebook and twitter we wouldn't find anything that makes you look foolish.

I dont own a or a fb, if I did I certainly would not emulate LIL JOHN or gangster rappers

Does that mean you should die for it?

What are you talking about?

What will we see when we get a hold of Zimmermans personal internet communications?

Why would I know? If he had internets wouldnt we have seen anything of wrong doing by now? Spike lee tried look what happened there lol. To my knowledge he does not have a social network profile.






1. I don;t know of what horses mouth you speak of. They confiscated jewelry....prove to me it was stolen. And from whom. And the charges posed against him, that had they would have filed would be dropped anyway...you know why? Because Treyvon is dead and you can't prosecute a dead teenager for anything. So like it not, Treyvon will always be innocent of any crime you or anyone else accuses him of.
2. You don't see anger management as an issue after someone shoots an unarmed teenager. That says quite alot about how you are approaching this 'objectively'.
3. Prove anything you said about Treyvon being any of the things you accuse him of. You believe those things for some reason, but that doesn't mean they are in any way accurate.
4. Those are all baseless assumptions about Treyvons character, again giving zimmerman a complete pass on his horrible past character. Again, im not sure you know what a fact really is.
5. You dont understand how the law see a deceased person when it comes to accusing them of crime. Yes, to you he will always be guilty, but that is only your opinion again, not a fact. Treyvon will always be innocent of the crimes you accuse him of, and saying anything else is just sad smear attack.
6. Funny how Zimmermans past violent acts 'doesn't amount to a hill of beans' to you but speculation and rumors about Treyvon do. I can see you objectivity.
7. Have you ever seen or can you proved a source that shows where a dead man has ever been convicted of a crime? It has nothing to do with whether they actually committed the crime. But in America you can not charge someone and try them if they can't defend themselves. You don't have to like or understand that, but that is how it is in the real world, not your 'Bizarro' world.
8. I wonder why too. I'm sure you can't imagine how having a judge for a father may help you get off....I mean if you follow this case you know that its no secret that people smell a HUGE cover up..not just me.
9. there is no witness that saw the start of any altercation or anyone who seen treyvon grab for his gun. the only person who said that has come from the zimmerman camp...and we all no that is not a witness. You can laugh all you want about Treyvons GF hearing a shove,....but she heard something.....but I know, to you she is a no good liar who is trying to convict an innocent man.
10. You sent a link to Miami PD ... what exactly did you want me to look for, or was I to scour the entire site to find the information you wanted me to find. The link was a general page...
11. Well, rest assured that if you are ever involved in anything like these, someone will hack your account on here for all the world to see. Doesn't have to be facebook. And trust me, based on your remarks on here ... people would be screaming you are a racist, and loads of other things.....true or not.
12. To your knowledge....what 28 year old in America today doesn't have some sort of presence on the internet? Doesn't have to be facebook, can be sites like ATS and the likes. His personal interest may shed light on if this was a hate crime or not. Time will tell.

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
Ok here is the Article refer to my link to MIAMI PD if you need ask them any questions
More shenanigans of an outstanding student and model citizen

Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin

"According to the report, on Oct. 21 staffers monitoring a security camera at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School spotted Trayvon and two other students writing “W.T.F.,” an acronym for “What the f---,” on a hallway locker, according to schools police. The security employee, who knew Trayvon, confronted the teen and looked through his bag for the graffiti marker. Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool."

www.miamiherald.com...

Unless he was a mechanic and a cross dresser it is fairly obvious what he was. Oh and he used the "It's not mine it is my friends" excuse commonly used by criminals Treyvon said to police.

edit on 4-4-2012 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason given)

I guess you missed this line in the article......'No evidence ever surfaced that the jewelry was stolen.'

And I guess you missed this altogether about your pal Zimmerman ...

George Zimmerman, Neighborhood Watch Captain Who Shot Trayvon Martin, Charged With Violence Before

Originally posted by cdesigns
Zimmerman calm voice and one faint scream on a 911 call will NEVER get good results on any type of software or voice analyst, you need more than that. They didnt even had Trayvon voice to compare........Once again what part of Eye Witnesses seen Zimmerman screaming for help dont you get?

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
LOVE it. Y'all will post these things as "proof" of something yet when an actual scientific analysis is done of the voice on the tape proving Zimmerman was not the one screaming help, somehow that's not proof of anything. I'm supposed to believe a chopped screenshot of a comment made by someone other than Martin is proof something?

Good arguments you all have here.

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Again because some of you can't seem to read this info, "Trayvons Voice is not needed to determine that it is not Zimmermans voice, they just can't prove it IS Trayvons without a recording of him"


articles.orlandosentinel.com... c-certainty

Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion.

Owen, a court-qualified expert witness and former chief engineer for the New York Public Library's Rodgers and Hammerstein Archives of Recorded Sound, is an authority on biometric voice analysis — a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match.

"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says. The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman,"

Owen says the audio from Zimmerman's call is much better quality than the 911 call in the Davalloo case. Voice identification experts judge the quality based on a signal-to-noise ratio; in other words, comparing the usable audio in a clip to the environmental noises that make a match difficult. And the call on which the screams are heard is better quality than is necessary, Owen says. "In our world, that's the home run," he says.

Not all experts rely on biometrics. Ed Primeau, a Michigan-based audio engineer and forensics expert, is not a believer in the technology's use in courtroom settings. He relies instead on audio enhancement and human analysis based on forensic experience. After listening closely to the 911 tape on which the screams are heard, Primeau also has a strong opinion. "I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau says, stressing that the tone of the voice is a giveaway. "That's a young man screaming."

What about this does not compute with some people?

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
If an inmate tells his cell mate he killed someone and later that cell mate repeats what he heard on court why isn't that "heresay" as opposed to what the Zimmerman family is saying ?
You DO know jailhouse snitches testify to what they heard all the time ?

No answers yet?Maybe the Zims story has been heard and accepted....boy wouldn't that rock?

reply to post by GhettoRice

The voice analysis came back 50/50 it might NOT
be zimmerman, wow our guess is just as good,
and they *forgot* to sample treyvons voice also,
wonder if it would come back 50./50 also.
Last but not least my friend
We can guess all day, but a key witness an eye witness
sworn testimony trumps all the hearsay.. If john saw
zimmerman screaming and treyvon on top of him
hitting him and then one shot and treyvon has no bruises
on him if you take the funeral director seriously
then he was not the one getting hit, he was doing
the hitting. Treyvon was doing the hitting then zimmerman was defending
himself in the shooting

reply to post by pizzanazi75

I don;t know of what horses mouth you speak of. They confiscated jewelry....prove to me it was stolen. And from whom.

It was in his locker, he was caught on cam vandalizing his school and using the same bag for his burglary tools, stolen merch, vandalism marker, dope. Keep playing dumb all you want, is not obvious about it? The police can verify this and you are not interested in asking them yet I am not the police now am I? Your straw man argument is based on diversion obviously.

You don't see anger management as an issue after someone shoots an unarmed teenager. That says quite alot about how you are approaching this 'objectively'.

Does not matter if he was an unarmed teen he tried to take Zimmermans arms. I dare you to try and take a cop or anyones gun from them and see what happens... get to it. Then come back and tell me they did not try and defend themselves. They must be mentally unstable emotionally driven if they try right? .LOL

those are all baseless assumptions about Treyvons character, again giving zimmerman a complete pass on his horrible past character. Again, im not sure you know what a fact really is.

WRONG I posted all the proof you need, his crimes as well as the contact info to the officials. I said several times Zimmerman should have left the police to pursue the hooligan and taken the police dispachers advice. I said he was trying too hard to be a hero making him an oaf. I do not even think I like Zimmerman as a human being. But he had a right to defend himself, like every person has a right to SURVIVE.
Dont try and twist it, i know exactly what fact means by defenition.

You dont understand how the law see a deceased person when it comes to accusing them of crime.

Really? No they will not be charging Treyvon awith any crimes time soon apparently lol. But his charcter will be brought in to question in Zimmermans defense. I understand it perfectly bub.

Yes, to you he will always be guilty, but that is only your opinion again, not a fact.

Guilty of taking the path to his destruction, I think that is obvious.

Treyvon will always be innocent of the crimes you accuse him of, and saying anything else is just sad smear attack.

Keep telling yourself that, saying that anything else is a smear attack is a huge COP OUT!

reply to post by popsmayhem


Well the "expert" in this field said

The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.

So no 50/50 still says Zimmerman "Lied" to police IMO

Do you have a "source" that said witness saw and heard Zimmerman call for help, or is this a Hyperbole of someone witnessing a guy in gray on top of one in red?


I stand corrected on the "source" part
www.myfoxorlando.com...

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
reply to post by pizzanazi75

 

I don;t know of what horses mouth you speak of. They confiscated jewelry....prove to me it was stolen. And from whom.

It was in his locker, he was caught on cam vandalizing his school and using the same bag for his burglary tools, stolen merch, vandalism marker, dope. Keep playing dumb all you want, is not obvious about it? The police can verify this and you are not interested in asking them yet I am not the police now am I? Your straw man argument is based on diversion obviously.

You don't see anger management as an issue after someone shoots an unarmed teenager. That says quite alot about how you are approaching this 'objectively'.

Does not matter if he was an unarmed teen he tried to take Zimmermans arms. I dare you to try and take a cop or anyones gun from them and see what happens... get to it. Then come back and tell me they did not try and defend themselves. They must be mentally unstable emotionally driven if they try right? .LOL

those are all baseless assumptions about Treyvons character, again giving zimmerman a complete pass on his horrible past character. Again, im not sure you know what a fact really is.

WRONG I posted all the proof you need, his crimes as well as the contact info to the officials. I said several times Zimmerman should have left the police to pursue the hooligan and taken the police dispachers advice. I said he was trying too hard to be a hero making him an oaf. I do not even think I like Zimmerman as a human being. But he had a right to defend himself, like every person has a right to SURVIVE.
Dont try and twist it, i know exactly what fact means by defenition.

You dont understand how the law see a deceased person when it comes to accusing them of crime.

Really? No they will not be charging Treyvon awith any crimes time soon apparently lol. But his charcter will be brought in to question in Zimmermans defense. I understand it perfectly bub.

Yes, to you he will always be guilty, but that is only your opinion again, not a fact.

Guilty of taking the path to his destruction, I think that is obvious.

Treyvon will always be innocent of the crimes you accuse him of, and saying anything else is just sad smear attack.

Keep telling yourself that, saying that anything else is a smear attack is a huge COP OUT!

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1. You still haven't proven anything. And, ill say it again. Treyvon is innocent of all accusations because zimmerman killed him. You can't charge and convict a dead teenager....or adult.
2. You didn't answer the question about why you don't see anger management as an issue with zimmerman. And again, you have no proof that Treyvon tried to take the coward zimmermans gun. Cowards with concealed weapons shoot unarmed teenager....and just to point out, zimmerman wasn't a cop.
3. You posted no proof. Just like facts you don't understand what proof is either. What exactly was he defending him self from? The skittles or the ice tea? Its sad your defending a man who wasn't even man enough to take a scrawny 17 year old....no wonder he never made it to being a cop.
4. You don't understand it, that is what is really scary. It's yet to be seen what will be allowed in any trial about Treyvon's or Zimmermans background.....so how do you know this? The victim is far more protected in a court of law than the accused...but you would know this.
5. A cop out from what? You have done all you can to smear the victims name and praise the accuser. You have smeared his name....own that, you did it. I own anything bad thing I said about zimmerman.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
reply to post by GhettoRice

 

The voice analysis came back 50/50 it might NOT
be zimmerman, wow our guess is just as good,
and they *forgot* to sample treyvons voice also,
wonder if it would come back 50./50 also.
Last but not least my friend
We can guess all day, but a key witness an eye witness
sworn testimony trumps all the hearsay.. If john saw
zimmerman screaming and treyvon on top of him
hitting him and then one shot and treyvon has no bruises
on him if you take the funeral director seriously
then he was not the one getting hit, he was doing
the hitting. Treyvon was doing the hitting then zimmerman was defending
himself in the shooting

Wow....you still haven't been able to grasp what this analysis means. The results did not come back 50/50 it came back that it is a 48% match out of a 100% chance. I know you don't get it, but you should let this one go, because you look silly every time you argue 'i wonder if it would come back 50/50 also'......

Just pick another sticking point for you to defend zimmerman, this isn't your strong point.

reply to post by popsmayhem



I still don't think that your "John" is the be all end all to this story, you would have to then not believe "every" counter witness to this situation.

www.miamiherald.com...=cpy

Three witnesses contacted by The Miami Herald say they saw or heard the moments before and after the Miami Gardens teenager’s killing. All three said they heard the last howl for help from a despondent boy, and believe the sequence of sounds shatters the notion that Trayvon was killed in self-defense.

“This was not self-defense,” Cutcher said. “We heard no fighting, no wrestling, no punching. We heard a boy crying. As soon as the shot went off, it stopped, which tells me it was the child crying. If it had been Zimmerman crying, it wouldn’t have stopped. If you’re hurting, you’re hurting.”

“I heard someone crying — not boo-hoo crying, but scared or terrified or hurt maybe,” said Mary Cutcher, 31, who lives in the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhome community where the shooting occurred. “To me, it was a child.”

"If" he lied to police about who was calling for help (which I am inclined to think so after digesting all sources) then I question his whole story and statements.

reply to post by pizzanazi75

I guess you missed this line in the article......'No evidence ever surfaced that the jewelry was stolen.'

He was an spiring mechanic, artist, and jeweler of course
Oh the dope, someone planted it there he was framed yeah yeah
yeah thats the ticket

And I guess you missed this altogether about your pal Zimmerman ...

George Zimmerman, Neighborhood Watch Captain Who Shot Trayvon Martin, Charged With Violence Before

You missed this,

ZIMMERMAN STILL FREE 32 DAYS LATER

Or has it been longer?

My boy? Don't know the dude dont care to pal

reply to post by Unknown Soldier


? This doesn't "prove" innocence with April 10 coming up, it just means that with all that has gone on it would be a backtrack on the police part to hold him until trial at this point.

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
reply to post by pizzanazi75

 

I guess you missed this line in the article......'No evidence ever surfaced that the jewelry was stolen.'

He was an spiring mechanic, artist, and jeweler of course
Oh the dope, someone planted it there he was framed yeah yeah

yeah hats the ticket

And I guess you missed this altogether about your pal Zimmerman ...

George Zimmerman, Neighborhood Watch Captain Who Shot Trayvon Martin, Charged With Violence Before

You missed this,

ZIMMERMAN STILL FREE 32 DAYS LATER

Or has it been longer?

My boy? Don't know the dude dont care to pal

edit on 4-4-2012 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason given)

Just you objectively ignoring any evidence that points to zimmerman being guilty in anyway. Zimmerman could come on TV and admit to killing him in cold blood and you would would smear him. Its not zimmerman you like...its his mentality. You totally relate to him and you would have gunned down the smae teenager for no reason. Its very clear. You will be one of the people making fan webpages and writing him fan mail once he goes to jail. Maybe if you're lucky your hero will write you back and you can frame it on your wall.

Does it make you feel safer with Zimmerman on the streets. Will you feel less safe when he goes to jail?

reply to post by captaintyinknots

1)Sad attempt. Zimm is under investigation and may still be arrested. Trey was investigated and no charges filed.

Sad attempt. Zimm was investigated and and no charges filed may still be arrested. Trey was investigated but is dead.

2)Saying its a good question, without even making an attempt to answer it, is dodging it.

Im not dodging it...

3)You missed the point completely. I hold it as a POSSIBILITY that Trey made threw the first punch. I KNOW FOR A FACT that Zimm shot him. See the difference?

You know for a fact now? Why? Because he said so and trayvaughn is dead? He also said treeboughnnn assaulted him and had wounds. You choose what you want to believe in, face it. The MSM tells you what to think so you can feel good about yourself.

And the fact of the matter still remains, that trey would have been protected in doing so, by the SYG laws. Why wont you speak on that?

According to the SYG laws Zimmerman was legally justified in the public execution-case closed...

And really, why cant you discuss without the personal insults? Is your argument really that weak? Or is it simply that my points hurt your argument to much, so its easier to deflect?

It was not an insult, you completely made up a new definition for hearsay to fit your argument. Pointing that out and telling you that you should look big words up before trying to use them was not an insult. It was advice.

Ive seen grown men turn into little boys crying for mama after they have been gut shot so saying little trayvon was crying like he was hurt means nothing as to what he was doing before he got hit....studs turn to babies all the time when in pain,,,means nothing....looks like there is mounting evidence he was a thuggish thief with a taste for weed and talking smack.... All of which could easily contributed to
His death....oh well

And The Zim us still free meaning the police Still haven't found a reason to arrest him,despite the pressure

Originally posted by GhettoRice
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

? This doesn't "prove" innocence with April 10 coming up, it just means that with all that has gone on it would be a backtrack on the police part to hold him until trial at this point.

We may not have to wait til April 10th. the state attorney doesn't have to wait for a grand jury....she can charge any time she likes, just as can any other DA....the grand jury is just an option they may end up using, but they don't have to.

Also since the feds are looking into hate crime/civil rights violations they could also bring charges at any time.....

People shouldn't want it to go to a grand jury. Grand Jury testimony is closed.The best option if for the State Attorney to just bring charges. The Grand Jury is a bigger risk, but even if it goes to the Grand Jury he will most likely be charged....the lead investigator wanting to charge will probably be enough for any grand jury...not to mention all the unknowns and inconsistencies of the situation......and witness have flat out come out and said they were ignored, lead, etc.

reply to post by pizzanazi75


You were talking about this right?

The three incidents took place in Orange County, Fla.
In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar.

In August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted.

Originally posted by DavidWillts
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

1)Sad attempt. Zimm is under investigation and may still be arrested. Trey was investigated and no charges filed.

Sad attempt. Zimm was investigated and and no charges filed may still be arrested. Trey was investigated but is dead.

2)Saying its a good question, without even making an attempt to answer it, is dodging it.

Im not dodging it...

3)You missed the point completely. I hold it as a POSSIBILITY that Trey made threw the first punch. I KNOW FOR A FACT that Zimm shot him. See the difference?

You know for a fact now? Why? Because he said so and trayvaughn is dead? He also said treeboughnnn assaulted him and had wounds. You choose what you want to believe in, face it. The MSM tells you what to think so you can feel good about yourself.

And the fact of the matter still remains, that trey would have been protected in doing so, by the SYG laws. Why wont you speak on that?

According to the SYG laws Zimmerman was legally justified in the public execution-case closed...

And really, why cant you discuss without the personal insults? Is your argument really that weak? Or is it simply that my points hurt your argument to much, so its easier to deflect?

It was not an insult, you completely made up a new definition for hearsay to fit your argument. Pointing that out and telling you that you should look big words up before trying to use them was not an insult. It was advice.

I found this funny.....I'm not dodging it (the question)....then still didn't answer it.