"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." - Obama. What the MSM isn't telling you.

If Trayvon had knocked Zimmerman out and shot and killed him with his gun, we wouldn't know anything about it. It wouldn't have shown up in anything but the local news.

It would most likely remain an unsolved murder, just like 75% of all crimes.

I know it's an 'if', but there sure are a lot of 'ifs' posted on this thread.

Originally posted by butcherguy
If Trayvon had knocked Zimmerman out and shot and killed him with his gun, we wouldn't know anything about it. It wouldn't have shown up in anything but the local news.

It would most likely remain an unsolved murder, just like 75% of all crimes.

I know it's an 'if', but there sure are a lot of 'ifs' posted on this thread.

That is a non-sequitor.

We -do- know something about it. It -wasn't- just another unsolved murder. I am trying to figure out what you are trying to say with regards to this case, and I am not seeing anything.

enough said...

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Obviously not.

Say more.

How does this relate to the Trayvon Martin case? What are you attempting to imply? Remember, just because you have connected far away dots, please be considerate of others trying to follow your logic.

Are you saying that Al Sharpton's lack of response to something that doesn't concern or interest him somehow diminishes a topic that does concern and interest him? That makes no sense if you take it to its logical conclusion… which is..

Nothing you say matters unless you have an opinion on everything and make it publicly known.

That doesn't really make sense.. does it?

reply to post by Furbs

I am trying to figure out what you are trying to say with regards to this case, and I am not seeing anyth

Keep trying, you might.

There are plenty of cold-blooded murders occur every day in the US. If this is, in fact, a cold-blooded murder, what's the big deal? Start a thread about the mother that beat her own 11 year old daughter to death, started their home on fire, and committed suicide. Reading Eagle
What sets the Martin/Zimmerman case apart is RACE, and that part of the story is the weakest. There is no proof that race was a factor. Even when race is a factor, murder is still just that, murder.

It is still up to a court to decide whether it was murder.

reply to post by butcherguy


And?

So which are you advocating.. discussing every single topic that happens or discussing none of them? I am still not sure what you are getting at.

reply to post by Furbs

I am making a point that you and the media are picking one incident, of which there are many, and injecting race into it.

What about the examples of black on white violence that ended in murder that have been posted in these Trayvon threads? Start a thread and investigate those incidents, you don't have to inject race, it is already there.

The example that I posted about the girl and her mom doesn't warrant anyone's sympathy because race wasn't involved.

I don't believe this story is being pushed with any real concern for Trayvon, it is pushed for an agenda, a racial one.
It is as simple as this, if Trayvon had been killed by a black person, it wouldn't be news. You get that, right?

To answer your question, I think the story is just a local one and should be covered by local media. We can't be told about every murder by the mass media.

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I guess I just have to say it again since you aren't actually answering my question.

So which are you advocating.. discussing every single topic that happens or discussing none of them? I am still not sure what you are getting at.

reply to post by Furbs

. discussing every single topic

I guess I will try to say it this way,

It's not about every single topic or none, it is about not discussing every single occurrence of a single topic, this one being murder.

Just as we can't expect the national media to cover every murder, we also shouldn't try to discuss every murder on this site.... It would be a lot of threads, wouldn't it?

Boils down to this for me: What makes Trayvon so special that he deserves recognition as a murder victim?

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Furbs

 

. discussing every single topic

I guess I will try to say it this way,

It's not about every single topic or none, it is about not discussing every single occurrence of a single topic, this one being murder.

Just as we can't expect the national media to cover every murder, we also shouldn't try to discuss every murder on this site.... It would be a lot of threads, wouldn't it?

Boils down to this for me: What makes Trayvon so special that he deserves recognition as a murder victim?

edit on 30-3-2012 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)

Okay, let us narrow it down further then..

Should we discuss every single killing or never discuss any killings?

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Furbs

 

. discussing every single topic

I guess I will try to say it this way,

It's not about every single topic or none, it is about not discussing every single occurrence of a single topic, this one being murder.
Just as we can't expect the national media to cover every murder, we also shouldn't try to discuss every murder on this site.... It would be a lot of threads, wouldn't it?

Boils down to this for me: What makes Trayvon so special that he deserves recognition as a murder victim?

edit on 30-3-2012 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)

Okay, let us narrow it down further then..

Should we discuss every single killing or never discuss any killings?

I think it would be best if you didn't discuss any killings.

Narrow enough for ya?

reply to post by Furbs

When we get narrow enough for you......

Maybe you can get to a real point and tell me why Trayvon deserves commentary and so many other murder victims don't.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Furbs

 

. discussing every single topic

I guess I will try to say it this way,

It's not about every single topic or none, it is about not discussing every single occurrence of a single topic, this one being murder.
Just as we can't expect the national media to cover every murder, we also shouldn't try to discuss every murder on this site.... It would be a lot of threads, wouldn't it?

Boils down to this for me: What makes Trayvon so special that he deserves recognition as a murder victim?

edit on 30-3-2012 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)

Okay, let us narrow it down further then..

Should we discuss every single killing or never discuss any killings?

I think it would be best if you didn't discuss any killings.

Narrow enough for ya?

So, you aren't actually interested in anyone legitimately understanding what it is you are saying, and are completely content with people simply believing that you are merely spouting off ignorant ideas like killings not being worth discussing unless they fit into your incredibly narrow world view of what you deem acceptable.

Trayvon Martin isn't important to you. I get it. The next question is obvious, but I will ask it anyway.

Why are you clicking on and replying to threads about Trayvon Martin's killing? Aren't you doing exactly what it is that you don't think should be done? What makes this thread so interesting to you that you feel the need to reply to win when there are literally tens of thousands of threads that you have not replied?

Trayvon Martin's killing is important because the public has made it important. The media can only bring something to the attention of the public. It is the responsibility of the public, and each individual person that makes up the public, to ascribe value to that which they see and hear. Enough people have decided that this is something that they care about, for reasons that are important to each individual, and to paint it with such wide strokes such as "race" or "gun control" is to sell short the complex nature of the human condition.

Also, get over yourself. You aren't terribly clever or insightful and your attempts at sarcasm don't really move the topic along. I would advise you to leave the topic if you do not feel that the killing of Trayvon is worth your attention, because the longer you stray in this topic, the more of a hypocrite you become. I expect a response from you, but hope I'm proven wrong by your superior moral character.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Furbs

 

As far as crime goes he was an adult...he would be charged as an adult if he was arrested for something..

Not a child in the eyes of the law, the military, or in stature.

That is the stupidest and least true thing I have read today.
My main question is why?
Why did you just blurt out the pile of crap from above?
Do you need Martin to be an evil adult for some reason?
He MIGHT be charged as an adult, just as he might if he was 11 years old. It depends on the crime. So going by your logic, 11 and up is also not considered a child or anything less than an adult because at 11 you can be charged as an adult.

Jesus you people are trying so hard to achieve NOTHING.

reply to post by Furbs
Heads up, Furby.

You can quit dodging now. To repeat, here is what I have been looking for from you:

Maybe you can get to a real point and tell me why Trayvon deserves commentary and so many other murder victims don't.

This isn't a trick question, and I'd really like to know the answer. You should like it, because it isn't about Trayvon, it is about you.

No sarcasm 'attempted'.

reply to post by butcherguy


There are other threads on ATS about other people that have been killed or killed people and you are not trolling those threads asking those people why that topic is so #ing special.
So now I am curious why you feel Martin's thread deserves trolling but not the threads of all the other victims or perpetrators of crime?

Originally posted by LErickson
reply to post by butcherguy

 

There are other threads on ATS about other people that have been killed or killed people and you are not trolling those threads asking those people why that topic is so #ing special.
So now I am curious why you feel Martin's thread deserves trolling but not the threads of all the other victims or perpetrators of crime?

I suppose that you could answer my question too, if you like.

To address yours, I believe that the Trayvon Martin story was presented in a fallacious and unbalanced manner from the beginning.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by LErickson
reply to post by butcherguy

 

There are other threads on ATS about other people that have been killed or killed people and you are not trolling those threads asking those people why that topic is so #ing special.
So now I am curious why you feel Martin's thread deserves trolling but not the threads of all the other victims or perpetrators of crime?

I suppose that you could answer my question too, if you like.

To address yours, I believe that the Trayvon Martin story was presented in a fallacious and unbalanced manner from the beginning.

You believe the story was presented in an unbalanced and fallacious manner from the beginning? You mean, just like thousands of other threads on ATS? I do not think you actually answered my question.

You believe the story was presented in an unbalanced and fallacious manner from the beginning? You mean, just like thousands of other threads on ATS? I do not think you actually answered my question.

reply to post by LErickson

I was speaking of the presentation of the story by the MSM.
The cover of people magazine this week is still portraying Trayvon as a twelve year old. Was he twelve when he died?

Originally posted by butcherguy
If Trayvon had knocked Zimmerman out and shot and killed him with his gun,

It would be a wonderful lesson to all the other would be vigilantes with judges for dads out there to let them know that when you grab your gun, get out of your car, and follow a kid home in the rain at night, bad things just might come of it.

Whoda thunk that woulda been bad.