"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." - Obama. What the MSM isn't telling you.

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I may be missing something here but who the hell breaks into a house at 7:15 pm at night?

Originally posted by Hardstepah
reply to post by LastProphet527

 

if it was a black guy shooting a white teen it would most likely be reversed. everybody who thinks trayvon was guilty of being black and some poor innocent 6th grader would be on the side of "this cracker got what he deserved for being a punk-ass white boy".

you people need to get over this race BS and stop trying to turn any crime against a black person a "hate crime".

when i had a gun put to my head by a black person taking my money i didn't say "hey it's because im mexican/white and he clearly is doing this to me because of my race."

when i had a gun put to my head by a black person taking my money

You most likely deserved it, It would have been good if he would of shot you like Zimmerman did the young child, then I wouldn’t be talking to you…DAMN!

Originally posted by IamMe14
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Actually, if you go around approaching "suspicious" people all the time and asking them questions about what they are doing in "your" neighborhood...you're going to be the one who loses your life. Mind your own business.

Coulda shoulda woulda, there is zero evidence that Zimmerman had ever approached anyone before in his life so your garbage argument makes no sense in this context.

Originally posted by ker2010
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I may be missing something here but who the hell breaks into a house at 7:15 pm at night?

A person who looks into the house first and confirms that it's empty of its owners obviously. Zimmerman clearly states in the audio tape that Martin was looking into houses and walking suspiciously slowly. This very easily can be construed as "casing" a home for burglary and in a neighborhood that had recently suffered a rash of breakins, one could easily see Zimmerman's reasoning.

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I never mentioned anything about the media, you're making assumptions. Sure I want all the facts, but from what is known currently Zimmerman had no business doing what he did. Had he listened to the dispatcher he wouldn't have taken another person's life. He also wouldn't be scared for his own life now with all the death threats he's getting, he wouldn't be possibly facing a criminal charge although I doubt that will occur. Everyone would have been better off in the situation had he listened to the dispatcher.

Originally posted by ker2010
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I may be missing something here but who the hell breaks into a house at 7:15 pm at night?

Well, I walked in on people breaking into my house a few years ago, it was about noon.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by rufusdrak
No where is there evidence that Zimmerman "confronted" anyone with "a gun at the ready"

Of course there's evidence. Zimmerman persued Trayvon with a loaded gun when he was specifically told by the operator not to do so, it's on the 911 recording. I don't know what your definition of confrontation is, but if I'm approached by some guy in the middle of the night with a loaded gun questioning me about why I am walking through, I definately see that as a threat.

Simple, Zimmerman could have stayed put. There was no evidence that Trayvon was committing a crime, he was just walking through, unarmed. I don't see any reason why you need to try so hard to justify zimmermans actions? He confronted and shot an unarmed kid simply because he looked out of place. You don't have to be a liberal or an anti-gun advocate to see just how wrong this turned out.

Wrong, he confronted the kid because he looked out of place yes, he SHOT the kid because he was brutally attacked by him.

You make it sound like he "shot him because he was out of place" which is not what happened.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by ker2010
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I may be missing something here but who the hell breaks into a house at 7:15 pm at night?

Well, I walked in on people breaking into my house a few years ago, it was about noon.

I actually walked in on someone breaking into my house when I was in high school on my way home from school and it was about 4:30pm so once again the Martin supporters' arguments are proven worthless.

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You most likely deserved it, It would have been good if he would of shot you like Zimmerman did the young child, then I wouldn’t be talking to you…DAMN!

WOW are you serious?

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
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You don't have to have your gun out in order to be ready and set to use it

So did he have a holster? or did he just have it between his pants and body? Without substantial visual evidence we will never know what really happened. Videotaped evidence.

edit on 24-3-2012 by KonquestAbySS because: (no reason given)

Doesn't make a difference to me. I've walked through neighbourhoods with a loaded hand gun hidden. Just because I wasn't literally holding it in my hand doesn't mean that I wasn't ready or prepared to use it. Even if you confront somebody, you don't need to have your gun literally in hand to be ready or pumped to use it and you don't need to be any less threatened by somebody else who may have it hidden or pocketed.

Are we to suggest here that Zimmerman approached Trayvon with an unloaded gun with no intention at all in using it? Considering he was so confident in persuing Trayvon in the first place?

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i know you didn't say anything about the media, i did. it's media spin and propaganda. how can you not see that? look at the "white guy's" (zimmerman's) photo. what a white piece of bread!!!!

Originally posted by rufusdrak
He thinks Zimmerman chased Martin with his gun out and cocked and tactically cornered him with gun drawn then opened fire without any cause at all and perforated his lifeless body.

This is how Zimmermans supporters act, this is all some kind of a joke, the fact this boy lost his life because he didn't answer or show his papers to the local neighbourhood watchman. This is the kind of mentality that probably fueled zimmerman to act first and think later. A gun is no longer a weapon of defense, it's a tool for cowards to be used to establish their own personal laws and prejudices.

Even if the kid was dealing in drugs or being suspended from school, he didn't deserved it to get shot by someone who thinks he can just take justice in his own hands. We all made mistakes when we where kids, some made bigger mistakes than others, but that doesn't give people the right to justify a killing of someone. But this is just my opinion.

Greetings,

EyesOnly13013

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by rufusdrak
He thinks Zimmerman chased Martin with his gun out and cocked and tactically cornered him with gun drawn then opened fire without any cause at all and perforated his lifeless body.

This is how Zimmermans supporters act, this is all some kind of a joke, the fact this boy lost his life because he didn't answer or show his papers to the local neighbourhood watchman. This is the kind of mentality that probably fueled zimmerman to act first and think later. A gun is no longer a weapon of defense, it's a tool for cowards to be used to establish their own personal laws and prejudices.

Yeah keep spouting your completely unsubstantiated garbage/drivel. Ofcourse Zimmerman killed the 6'3 football player "boy" because he didn't "show him papers". Where did you read that bit? Can you cite a source for me? I don't remember the audio tapes showing Zimmerman asked him for his papers.

Originally posted by EyesOnly13013
Even if the kid was dealing in drugs or being suspended from school, he didn't deserved it to get shot by someone who thinks he can just take justice in his own hands. We all made mistakes when we where kids, some made bigger mistakes than others, but that doesn't give people the right to justify a killing of someone. But this is just my opinion.

Greetings,

EyesOnly13013

He didn't shoot him because he dealt drugs, or any other insignificant thing. He shot him because the 6'3" football player was sitting ON TOP of him pounding his face in as per eyewitness testimony. Zimmerman was left with facial lacerations requiring stitching and a broken nose.

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cowards to be used to establish their own personal laws and prejudices.

Because that is how prejudice cowards act, they cannot fight, they have no brains to talk a problem through, so they shot indiscriminately...it’s what cowards do, they stick together through thick and thin… loll, just look at all the cowards justifying what the coward man did with his coward ass gun.

Cowards always run in flocks…its so clear now…Literally!

WE DO NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS!

jumping to conclusions saying zimmerman was just some nut "taking justice into his own hands" is ridiculous. if he was doing just that, i really doubt he would have had a busted head and grass stains on his back. if he was as horrible as you let the media tell you, he would have just walked up and popped the kid one in the face.

i have yet to make a decision on this case because i do not have the facts. i am just tired of people calling this a hate crime, zimmerman is white, and the fact that the entire nation is getting upset when there are so many more important issues to be upset about.

peace time martial law anyone?

Originally posted by LastProphet527
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cowards to be used to establish their own personal laws and prejudices.

Because that is how prejudice cowards act, they cannot fight, they have no brains to talk a problem through, so they shot indiscriminately...it’s what cowards do, they stick together through thick and thin… loll, just look at all the cowards justifying what the coward man did with his coward ass gun.

Cowards always run in flocks…its so clear now…latterly!

edit on 24-3-2012 by LastProphet527 because: (no reason given)

How can Zimmerman "talk a problem through" when the 6"3 football linebacker was sitting on his chest beating his face in and breaking his nose?

Originally posted by rufusdrak
Nice strawman argument in your first paragraph, no one said Zimmerman was interrogating nor detaining him. You attempted to disprove me by proving that detaining is not legal, yet I never even so much as hinted that Zimmerman detained Martin so thus your straw man article gets thrown out the window to the garbage where it belongs. Nice try though.

No straw man here. The right to free speech and the right to question someone are not the same thing.

As for the guideline, I'm assuming you're talking about private/gated communities, I can take the picture of the sign of the private community I happen to live in, which clearly states the guidelines, which clearly states you are not allowed to be in or loiter without proper ID showing you live there, how's that for proof.

Well it's not "proof". This is your word. Unless you actually posted a picture but I can not see it without my magic glasses.

Can you show us where there is any report of Martin "loitering"?

What is being reported is that Martin was walking to the home of his Father's girlfriend. Where he was a visitor and where he had just left prior to going to buy some Candy, at the time of this confrontation he was returning from the store. Perhaps you should read this timeline of events, because you seem very confused.

Timeline

Zimmerman had no way of knowing anything, only from what he can observe, and he clearly observed Martin acting suspicious, dressed suspiciously (in a hoodie concealing his face).

Or perhaps he had his hoodie up because it was raining? Or is it completely normal for people with hoodies on to leave the hood down in the rain?

And as for that argument that has no bearing as you said on Zimmerman's decision but it does have bearing in court of law where it can obviously be used against Martin as an illustration of his character, the fact that he was a known drug dealer. As for your question of proof, it was posted numerous times in the thread, go back and search for it, there is a photo of Martin's facebook showing someone asking them to sell them some drugs using code slang for the drug.

Oh the "Skittles" report that I also debunked? Perhaps you should go back and find my post that clearly shows what "Skittles" is in terms of "Street Drugs" actually means, but I know you won't so here it is AGAIN.

It's that quick and easy high, kids nationwide are turning to. It's called Skittling. That's because, you can pour out a bag of Skittles and you can compare the candy to the little red pill known as Corcidin. Both look similar and like, candy, taking too much Corcidin or other medicines like Suphedrine can make you extremely hyper. But in this case, the excitability can be dangerous.

New Channel 10 article on "Skittling" to get high

Skittling is over the counter medicines. It is called Skittling because they resemble skittles candy. So unless a "drug dealer" is pushing Tylenol PM on people, it is a very stupid to call Martin a "Drug dealer".

2. The suspension thing once again is not relevant for Zimmerman but is relevant in the court of law because as I said it's an illustration of Martin's character. Plenty people here are ad hominem bombing Zimmerman for such and such he's done or such and such times he's called the police in 2004, etc, so don't whine when people therefore defend him by conversely calling into question Martin's checkered past.

Comparing the legal issues of an adult to issues at a public school with a teenager is two completely different things. For starters, one is an issue of breaking the Law (Zimmerman) the other is an issue of violating school policy (Which is not a crime). However if you want to include his school record then it is only fair to include the testimony of Martin's former football coach at school who claims that Martin was not an aggressive person, did not like confrontation, and was not known as a "thug".

Starting a fight? Possibly high on drugs and up to no good? No, friends say that description of Martin from the neighborhood crime watch volunteer who shot and killed the unarmed black teenager doesn't match the young man they knew.

"There's no way I can believe that, because he's not a confrontational kid," said Jerome Horton, who was one of Martin's former football coaches and knew him since he was about 5. "It just wouldn't happen. That's just not that kid."

Source: Channel 6 News- Miami

Any other claims or assumptions you want to make, with no sources to back up your claims or are we done now?

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clearly you brave people travel in flocks since apparently only your side and view is the "good" side.

quit jumping at the opportunity to white knight everything into oblivion.

i remember telling my professor 2 weeks ago "first this kony2012 bs. i wonder what the new white knight train will bring next week"

looks like i received my answer