I have opened up some extensive real time seismic monitoring in Wisconsin- For the rumbles

Originally posted by Anmarie96
But, but - is something like this far fetched?

Yes, it is- and I'll be the first to admit it.

Ultimately, it may just be linked to inner continental stress releases. Caused by sea floor spreading in the Atlantic, pushing the NA plate east. Could be it's just time for the mid north of the continent to react a bit. But it may not be done...

The situation in Clintonville though is seeming less like mine blasts, because with all the checking the authorities have done, at this point it is unlikely. This is localized to an area that doesn't appear to have any blasting going on within a mile or two, and is apparently so shallow, it might just be some small adjustments the crust is making, very shallow.

But granted, if sulfur is smelled, and they start getting much bigger quakes, then yeah, might be time to head out.

Bizarre. Makes me wonder what geologists would say if big 5+ quakes started happening all of a sudden all through the midwest, and the sulfur smells were all over the place. And GPS started showing rabid ground deformation...upward... In a HUGE geologic area!

EDIT: and oh, don't know if any of you noticed the National Guard building in Clintonville, within 2500 feet (1/2 mile or so) from the affected area...

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Does magma moving under the crust make noise? Just wondering.

Map is from 2011. I marked Montello since they heard booms too. Pretty far to be mine blasting. Didn't realize how far Montello was. Hmm. 80 miles away...two separate quakes?

WisconsinWatch.org

Originally posted by SheeplFlavoredAgain
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

Does magma moving under the crust make noise? Just wondering.

No.
But rising magma would generate HT that could be picked up by seismos close to the rising magma.

I don't like your volcano 0.000001% TA.

Has anyone confirmed they smelled sulfur in that little town in Wisconsin and or surroundings?

We know what "picked up frequencies" between 2 and 5 could mean. Read, could as a 0.00001% possiblility.
Granite down there? Those booms could be the result of exploding granite because of natural doing too.

Anmarie96 is as meanie as you TA.

So now the booms are louder than before.

*Pretty sure it closed in 2004, so nevermind.*

I am in no way saying this is what's causing it, merely putting it out there since a search on the subject showed others have brought it up in relation to Clintonville. I've had enough arguments on the topic to last me a lifetime, so consider this a disclaimer.

It's an old Navy testing site within the national forest in Clam Lake, northern WI. People seem confused over whether it's still in use or not.

Project ELF, which became operational in 1989, consists of two transmitters, one near Clam Lake in Northern Wisconsin, and the other at Republic, in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. (Actually, Michigan’s antenna intersection is located east of Republic, while the transmitter site is in the Gwinn area nearby, with no settlements of any size between the two towns.)

Several residents claim to hear the "Taos Hum,” a low, grumbling noise on the threshold of audibility. The hum is so named because it first received massive publicity in 1990 when it became "loud" in the New Mexico area around Taos. Soon many other people started reporting that they also could hear the “Taos Hum" worldwide.

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fas navy
toas hum
Maybe mineral exploration?

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But really this is all armchair geology, what with no real data to work from

Yes but armchair geology from a geologist well OK nearly one if you have not graduated yet.

By the way folks who say a 1.5 cannot be felt, as I said on the other thread about this, think again.

BGS. Just see howmany of those sub 1.5 quakes were reported felt. It all depends on the geology!

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Strange that you should say that. A few hours after that I posted this on another thread - and I was not aware yours existed.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I too do not believe it was an earthquake, but I don't know what it was. There is a sound clip an that link as well.

reply to post by TrueAmerican

Extremely shallow microquakes don't appear to propagate low end (0-3 Hz) the way we are used to with regular, deeper quakes. And it kind of makes sense. At deeper depths, where there is much more crust pressure, it takes a bigger event to excite frequencies that low. At a very shallow depth of say less than a Km, the pressures are less, and a small quake may not be able to have the power to excite those super low frequencies in the crust, which may explain the signatures. But these do have some low end content in the 2-3 Hz region, briefly. When the waves from these hit a certain point deeper in the crust, they are probably stopped dead in their tracks. While the higher frequencies can continue to propagate in a small radius from hypocenter. To me this presents a rational explanation of why we see what we do in these microquakes.

Might explain what I am (was) seeing.

(This is the penalty for going backwards through the thread! )

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I came across this site yesterday in regards to mineral mining in Wisconsin. I am not too familiar with this site so I don't know how much stake to put into this but this is an interesting article.

What's really going on in Wisconsin

Here is more info on the Back 40 Project.

Aquila Resources

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Thanks for the map, and that is helpful. Helpful in deducing that these are most likely very localized, shallow micro quakes, that is. Why? Because any mine blasts that would make it far enough to Clintonville, would necessarily have to travel through all the towns on the way to Clintonville, too. So why aren't any of those residents reporting the booms too, outside of Clintonville and at the same time as each episode of them? See? Just doesn't make sense on the mine blasts anymore.

As to the HAARP stuff, forget it. I don't buy into any HAARP stuff. Based on scientific principle, HAARP theories always stop dead in their tracks when asked to show that it could have the power, and interface mechanism, to cause earthquakes. And PLEASE no more HAARP suggestions or discussions in this thread!

Back to topic. Clintonville. I am waiting for an opinion from my source on these latest signatures received. Nothing yet to report.

And PM:
I don't make a habit of going to Quake Watch thread and spamming my threads in that. But if you like, I can post links to threads I feel might interest you in the future. Curious that you haven't seen this thread yet. It was on the front page for a bit.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Ultimately, it may just be linked to inner continental stress releases. Caused by sea floor spreading in the Atlantic, pushing the NA plate east. Could be it's just time for the mid north of the continent to react a bit. But it may not be done...

Critical typo in that quote, too late to edit.

I meant to say "Caused by sea floor spreading in the Atlantic, pushing the NA plate WEST."

Not east. Sorry bout that. Carry on.

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Thanks for the suggested threads in sig PM, and True, if you link any other threads, I didn't even see the quake watch thread. Just came back to ATS recently, not current on the going ons. As for the the crack in Michigan, did they end up saying that was indeed caused by a quake? Can't find confirmation. It seems like they weren't sure at first if that was a quake either.

So is it common to take a while to confirm quakes, when they are small and occur in unusual areas?

I have been reading all I can and came upon this blog spot.
www.bluecheddar.net...
This person went to Clintonville to investigate. What I thought was very interesting was this statement:

You’ll see a lot of news statements like this one, “the city says booms were first reported on the night of Sunday 18th of March and continued for several nights before apparently abating.” But this contradicts the statements given to me by 3 separate individuals in Clintonville during my visit. One person said the noises were ongoing for a year, one Clintonville resident said since December 2011, and one woman who has lived there for 6 months has seen police blotter reports in the paper about boom noises for months.

Though if you continue to read on, one person does state that the booms seem to be on a time table. If they are happening at the same time then the booms are man-made verses if the booms are erratic then they are more apt to be natural.

reply to post by AuntB

I was reading something similar where someone did state they've heard these booms for a while, and found a link to an archive of police blotters. I'll try to find it again. The mines are too far, but what if it's just someone messing with dynamite, like in other instances around the country. Does dynamite register on seismic equipment, and if it does, does it look different than natural movement?

What is it about these specific quakes that cause the weird boom noise, I mean is it the literal clapping together of what's underground?

I have been reading so much, I feel confused. This is a very interesting article. [

The objects in flight are very strange particles called neutrinos. Fermilab scientists have figured out how to generate a beam of neutrinos and send it across Wisconsin to the big detectors in northern Minnesota. Make that under Wisconsin. Because the Earth is round, anyone wishing to send an object in a straight line from one spot on the planet to another spot 500 miles away must aim through the planet itself.

Is this true? This article is from 2009 but the Washington Post is semi-reputable. Doesn't Clintonville have a Fermilab.



If need be google Washington Post article name: Blasting Neutrinos Under Wisconsin May Yield Big Payoff

This should work- the ATS people may ding me again for not doing a link properly but it won't work in their link box.

www.washingtonpost.com...

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Oh Fermilab, the center of so many Illinois conspiracies. Lots of WI universities have affiliate programs. Found this article which states the same as the Post.
Fermilab Exploring the Universe by Blasting Neutrinos Under Wisconsin

The funding specifically focuses on continuing a project that involves blasting a beam of neutrinos (or tiny, neutrally charged particles with very little mass) in a straight, 500-mile line, through the curving surface of the Earth, from Illinois to northern Minnesota.

By aiming a beam of neutrinos to a detector in Minnesota, the scientists hope to find evidence of "muon neutrinos turning into electron neutrinos." If successful, the experiment could yield important information about interactions between matter and antimatter, the beginnings of the universe, and the building blocks of creation.

I wish I could wrap my mind around how that even works..
And then there's the tunneling.
tunnel boring

Future accelerator projects at Fermilab may require the construction of tunnels in the northern Illinois bedrock. To understand how tunnel costs might be reduced we investigate the details of conventional tunnel boring machine (TBM) operations in an on going tunnel project.

MINOS

One of the “other sources” is the MINOS experiment at Fermilab. Located in a massive underground tunnel, MINOS shoots a particle beam through the earth to another, offsite location. Scientists at the lab clock how fast the particles travel.

edit on 3/29/2012 by SpaceJ because: add

reply to post by SpaceJ
I grew up watching the Jetsons but I also can't fathom this type of science. The the man's statement is correct that the booms are at a certain time, then this would make sense. It is much easier to understand a unknown fault line acting up vs. this sci-fi stuff.

Originally posted by mountaingirl1111

Originally posted by SeenAlot
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

I lived in OR for several years. I was within yards of the ocean and had a amazing view. One night after living there a short time, I heard a low rumbling. I heard it several nights in a row. So I finally asked if whale song could be heard over the water (as this was my only logical solution) there was no heavy industry that would account for such sound.

I was laughed at. I've heard it for a long time, off and on. With more volume and freguency lately. It gives me chills.

Very interesting. In 2010 on vacation, my husband and kids and I were staying in Garibaldi and going up the road to Rockaway Beach every day. One day, while eating lunch back at the hotel in Garibaldi, a cup of water on the table started sloshing around, just vibrating pretty good, even though the kids weren't running around and the train wasn't going past or anything. The vibrating conituned and we could feel it under our feet, kind of like a light rumble or gentle shaking. After ruling everything else out, including housekeeping (we were the only people staying in the hotel at the time), I actually looked at the usgs site later to see if there had been a small quake. Now I wonder if it is possible if what I was seeing and feeling is what you described.

That's funny you mentioned the location: I lived on the bluff in Rockaway, it was low, like just at the lowest audible sound, with a pressure to it. I could only hear it when there was no other sound. And Rockaway has nearly no sound at all on a winter night. I heard it off and on, for months.