Florida black man murders unarmed white father in front of 8yr old daughter in park

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Ameliaair

read the post above yours

ok...didn't answer the question though.

The claim is this guy Zimmerman was not arrested because of his supposed whiteness.

Well, neither was this guy. He in fact went up to a bunch of white people playing in a park with a loaded gun looking for an argument.

he argued with one man who was holding a basketball shielding his child and then the old man pulled the gun on the guy .

The guy lunged forward and grabbed the old man's arms so he would not go ballistic shooting kids in a park and he managed to shoot this young father and kill him.

Far as Im concernced, he went looking for an argument with white folks making noise he didn't approve of and then walked free for god knows how long and now a young 10 yr old girl is fatherless and her mom a widow because some old racist black man had it in for white people making noise he didn't approve of.


See how that bs race card thing works?

Originally posted by Ameliaair

Well, neither was this guy. He in fact went up to a bunch of white people playing in a park with a loaded gun looking for an argument.

he argued with one man who was holding a basketball shielding his child and then the old man pulled the gun on the guy .

The guy lunged forward and grabbed the old man's arms so he would not go ballistic shooting kids in a park and he managed to shoot this young father and kill him.

1. can you provide a source for these comments. since the only source you've linked to is an update on the young girl, a year and a half after the crime ocurred, it would be nice to provide us with additional information.

2. if I am holding a gun, and I get into an argument with a guy, and he lunges at me, odds are, someone's getting shot. whether it be by accident or my reaction to a perceived attack, the trigger will probably be pulled. certainly explains his standing ground defense. he still killed the guy and should still go to jail but it makes his defense seem more understandable

Originally posted by Ameliaair
he argued with one man who was holding a basketball shielding his child and then the old man pulled the gun on the guy .

The guy lunged forward and grabbed the old man's arms so he would not go ballistic shooting kids in a park and he managed to shoot this young father and kill him.

Far as Im concernced, he went looking for an argument with white folks making noise he didn't approve of

How the hell did you get all that from this:

It all started on a neighborhood basketball court in a suburb of Tampa. The two men got into an altercation over a teenager skateboarding on the court. Dooley was shouting at the teenager to get off the court, and James intervened. After a struggle, Dooley shot James once in the heart.

From the source.

Not saying your incorrect...but you gave a bunch of specifics that is not in the article sourced in the original post...am I missing something?

If it played out as you said, and the guy is mentally fit, then yes, its a racial/hate crime...but ya..as the article reads right now..it has nothing you just said in it.

Originally posted by Crakeur
2. if I am holding a gun, and I get into an argument with a guy, and he lunges at me, odds are, someone's getting shot. whether it be by accident or my reaction to a perceived attack, the trigger will probably be pulled. certainly explains his standing ground defense. he still killed the guy and should still go to jail but it makes his defense seem more understandable

Are you implying it's cool to hold an unarmed man at gunpoint, and if the man lunges at you, it's covered under the Stand Your Ground law? The man already committed assault (possibly with a deadly weapon) by threatening (even implicitly) the victim with the gun. Some reports say he pointed the gun at the victim initially, which would be an ADW charge.

How can you say that his defense is understandable?

He wasn't even legally carrying the gun.

if you read the local news on this case, it sounds like Dooley flashed his gun and turned to leave and then the other guy went after him, resutling in a tussle for the gun and, like I said, when you are holding a gun, and someone lunges at you, someone's getting shot.

www.tampabay.com...


turns out Dooley also waited for the ambulance and refused to speak. the only reason he wasn't arrested immediately was because it was unclear as to who actually fired the gun.


please note, this doens't imply that the guy should have been shot, or that dooley is in the right here. on the contrary, he went to the court to get a kid to stop skateboarding, he was confronted by a father who gave the kid permission, and a fight ensued.

where is fat al sharpton, hell won't be filled until he heads south, the fat race baiter

reply to post by Highground


no, I'm saying that, if I were to have a gun out ( I wouldn't, don't believe in the need for them) and was in some kind of confrontation, and the other guy lunged at me, it would probably go off, either by accident or instinctual reaction.

having read the witness accounts of the case in question, it sounds like that is what happened with this situation. guy went after Dooley to get the gun, the rolled around, gun went off. Now, Dooley never said it was an accident, it went off by itself or any other thing, probably because he clammed up and spoke with a lawyer first and, possibly, that lawyer said "standing ground" would work.

Hopefully, the jury will see the implied intent of a man who went back to his garage and returned with a gun in his waistband but, still, regarding your question, yeah, I'm guessing that my fear, lack of experience, adrenaline and stupidity would combine to result in a shot being fired. if I'm ever in that situation, I hope nothing gets hit.

Originally posted by Ameliaair

Originally posted by Vasa Croe
Hope he burns. You don't bring a gun to a basketball court and shoot an unarmed man with his daughter there. Sounds more like the guy was looking for an excuse to shoot someone. He should go away for the rest of his short life.

He should be given the electric chair on international tv for hate crimes

I think the guy is guilty. But did he shoot his victim because he was white, or would he have shot anybody that looked at him the wrong way?

That has not been demonstrated. It has been assumed.

-rrr

reply to post by Ameliaair


You people don't care about the murder of human beings, you only care that one of your own (Zimmerman) is accused of rampantly racist actions. Of course this is horrible. But I must wonder if you are even human.

You actually went out and got a link in a case involving a murder of a child (both cases) to scream about the supposed injustice of calling the Zimmerman action, racist.

How on Earth you exist among humanity is utterly beyond me.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Ameliaair

 

Really. How bout you stop ignoring the fact that the black guy has to stand trial and Zimmerman doesn't? You know honestly there's far more white people making this about race than black. Chew on that.

Zimmerman is standing trial. He's going to have a Grand Jury.

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Originally posted by Ameliaair

Originally posted by Vasa Croe
Hope he burns. You don't bring a gun to a basketball court and shoot an unarmed man with his daughter there. Sounds more like the guy was looking for an excuse to shoot someone. He should go away for the rest of his short life.

He should be given the electric chair on international tv for hate crimes

I think the guy is guilty. But did he shoot his victim because he was white, or would he have shot anybody that looked at him the wrong way?

That has not been demonstrated. It has been assumed.

-rrr

why hasn't al sharpton assumed it

why haven't the MSM media pursued this angle

reply to post by FeatherofMaat



due to the double standards employed in the publicicity/treatment of such killings it is hardly surprising, and how the hell do you know what someone else cares or does not care about, you ain't got a clue

reply to post by Ameliaair


Same law. Same crime. Different outcome. There's the problem.

-rrr

Originally posted by Ameliaair

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Ameliaair

 

How is it being played when the black man was charged with a crime and has to prove the stand you r ground defense but Zimmerman does not?

really? 24/7 coverage as opposed to only hearing about this case now? white killer , poor little black child, over and oover and over

And yet, ZIMMERMAN isn't even a white guy

Why are white people being blamed for this?

WHY?

edit on 22-3-2012 by Ameliaair because: (no reason given)

Obama isn't black either!

I think the low levels of education of the minorities in this country are getting out of hand. Mexican = White and Half White/Half Black = Black.

A little off topic but just the same after reading about 4 pages of backwards and forwards on this a thought sprung to mind. Did both sides of this argument actually think about why this argument even exists in the manner that it does. Divide and concour springs to mind. While people focus on arguing about which murder was the worst because the real point is missed. People are getting murdered over stupidities and it is a sign that society is not healthy and people feel threatened/fearful/enrage and helpless. Instead of pointing to the shade of the men and women who do these things perhaps start looking at the reasons.

As for media and justice, it has and always will be corrupt. As long as people focus on arguing amongst one another, instead of seeing that we are all the same, and that the evil guys are not that person who looks different from you but the people who look the same as you - pretending to represent your best interest in the ruling classes. Infact they are the once making sure this issue carries on dividing. It is in their best interest that you walk around angry and afraid of 'that guy over there' because he has x colour rather than point your attention toward them.

Wake up people we are all being played a game 'chase that shadow'.

All murder is about hate and should carry the maximum penalty. Defining crimes as "hate crimes" only fuels the race war. I believe the liberal media and the left use race to perpetuate their agenda, and it makes me sick.
Murder is murder, no matter how you look at it.

reply to post by WhatAreThey


umm no...there's a grand jury looking into the case, now that people all over the country have wondered why there's been no arrest. Not the same thing as having been charged with a crime and standing trial before a jury.

reply to post by sickofitall2012


no, all murder is not hate based. If I hop in my car, drunk beyond belief, and kill someone, it's murder but it certainly wasn't hate based.

Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
reply to post by Ameliaair

 

You people don't care about the murder of human beings, you only care that one of your own (Zimmerman) is accused of rampantly racist actions. Of course this is horrible. But I must wonder if you are even human.

You actually went out and got a link in a case involving a murder of a child (both cases) to scream about the supposed injustice of calling the Zimmerman action, racist.

How on Earth you exist among humanity is utterly beyond me.

" one of your own "?
This shows me your just as bad as the rest of them.
Stop fueling the hate.

reply to post by Crakeur


Ummm, you know very well I was referring to murder, not involuntary manslaughter. No drunk I know of has got in their car to deliberately kill someone.
Holding a gun and firing at someone in cold blood is about hate.
I'm a bit taken back that the site administrator would help fuel the race issue.