Shut Up Already With The Anti-POTUS Drivel

Originally posted by Annee

Nothing that is 200+ years old - - - does not need a tune-up.

Poor Silly and Delusional.

See, the Constitution has been and can be "tuned" up.

You see, there is this thing. It is called an amendment. If you want to "tune up" the Constitution then you write this amendment thing. Then you pass it. Then you send it to the States, and if 3/4 approve it, "tune up" accomplished. If not, then try-try again.

See, the people who wrote the Constitution were quite smart and new it would need to be updated. The Congresses and Presidents of the past understood this and actually followed the process, for better or worse. The problem is the "ass-hats" we have in government in general these days are passing unconstitutional laws because they know they cannot do it through the amendment process. They are abolishing the Constitution and just making it up as they go.

Now, this should scare you. I am guessing you are an obama fan, not that it matters but that is my guess since you seem to hate the Constitution outwardly. So, you probably agree with the illegal acts being taken in contradiction to the Constitution: today. Now, let's just pretend that the next president is from the GOP. In their case they think they love the Constitution, outwardly, but internally they are really no different than obama. Hell, just listen to santorum. Difference is, the illegal laws they will pass will be on the other side of the spectrum from the illegal laws obama passes, and I bet you won't like those much. This pendulum of radical illegal law passing will swing back and forth for a while until the US is broke.

See, the amendment process and the Constitution is there to protect all of us. From our respective "party", our "leaders", from the opposition, and from ourselves. You should embrace it.

To the one screaming for facts and links. Let's take 1 story to chew on. I really shouldn't give you the time of day, brick wall.

caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com... -term/

Where is the U.S. headed if Pres. Obama is adding an estimated $5 trillion to the national debt in his first term?

President Obama has broken a promise to the American people to cut the deficit in half.

His latest budget forecasts a $901 billion budget deficit for 2013.

If you add in the $1 trillion-plus deficits he has run for his first three years in office, along with an estimated $200 billion in economic stimulus, that's about $5 trillion in the red in his first term.

First term?
I'll be seeing in the FEMA camps if he get's a second term.

Originally posted by Bakatono

Originally posted by Annee

Nothing that is 200+ years old - - - does not need a tune-up.

Poor Silly and Delusional.

See, the Constitution has been and can be "tuned" up.

You see, there is this thing. It is called an amendment.

I am very familiar with amendments.

Is it enough? Maybe not.

From: Silly and Delusional - - - because - of course - you could not make a point without.

EDIT: I forgot the "poor".

Originally posted by Annee

I am very familiar with amendments.

Is it enough? Maybe not.

Progressive much? What do you mean, "Is it enough?"

If we can amend the Constitution to say whatever we want whenever we want (as long as the procedures are followed), what more can we do? What is enough?

The fact that you state you understand amendments but ask that question is kind of frightening.

Originally posted by Bakatono

Originally posted by Annee

I am very familiar with amendments.

Is it enough? Maybe not.

Progressive much? What do you mean, "Is it enough?"

If we can amend the Constitution to say whatever we want whenever we want (as long as the procedures are followed), what more can we do? What is enough?

The fact that you state you understand amendments but ask that question is kind of frightening.

I don't think it is frightening at all.

Progressive much? Thank you for the compliment.

QUESTION: Are amendments enough. I don't know. Is the framework really connected to 200+ years after it was written?

Originally posted by Annee
The Constitution is a 200+ year old framework. It needs an update.

Amendments to the U.S. Constitution

I've provided a timeline of the 27 amendments made to our Constitution since it's ratification. That's an average of 1+ amendment for every decade of it's existence. It's had plenty of updates.

Roads are ancient technology. Condoms are ancient technology. Pen and paper, medicine, and many others. Of course, they've all had their "updates," but seriously, to call for a complete "overhaul?"

Point is, sometimes ideas come along which have infrastructure you just don't muck with and alter. If you wanna draft a new constitution, go conquer your own country. This is the United States of America, and the union we have today was founded upon ageless ideas of natural rights and liberties; pride should be taken in the fact that we have the oldest working constitution.

There's good reason behind the founding fathers making it a painstaking task to amend it, for those in government to be bound by oath to uphold it, and for generations upon generations of men and women, family and friends, to fight and die defending it.

reply to post by jlm912


I've read the constitution.

I've read the amendments.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by rockintitz
Why should I respect some who clearly doesn't respect me?
"We don't have the first amendment so we can talk about the weather"
-Ron Paul

Ron Paul would destroy America by creating 50 little countries.

Exactly like Iran - - with multiple tribal groups - - - all vying for control.

Throw E pluribus unum - - in the shredder.

edit on 22-3-2012 by Annee because: (no reason given)

This country started as 50 little countries!!! What do you think the word "state" means??? A large majority of the federal powers the government has today is by the work of ol' Lincoln and an aftermath of the civil war. Before that, folks didn't go around claiming to be "Americans," their country was their respective state.

Originally posted by Annee
I don't think it is frightening at all.

Progressive much? Thank you for the compliment.

QUESTION: Are amendments enough. I don't know. Is the framework really connected to 200+ years after it was written?

The Constitution is only 6 pages long. The actual written text is only the first 4. The 6th is the Bill of Rights. The 5th is the "letter of transmittal".

You see, it is written to provide the most simple of frameworks so that it can be built upon. It is just the foundation with a defined change management process. That is it. I don't know how you can make it more simple. I cannot fathom why it would need to be rewritten.

But I am guessing that isn't what you think should happen. As a progressive who apparently wants a re-write of the Constitution I am envisioning you are advocating for many more 1000's of pages of "pass it and then we will know what is in it" type of stuff. Lots of feel good sounding regulations that will be worked out later. That kind of thing. Something huge, complex, impossible to understand, that addresses every possible grievance that everyone has on everything.


www.constitution.org...

Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by jlm912

 

I've read the constitution.

I've read the amendments.

Aaaaannnndddd yet, you don't get it.

Originally posted by Annee

Ron Paul would destroy America by creating 50 little countries.

Exactly like Iran - - with multiple tribal groups - - - all vying for control.

Throw E pluribus unum - - in the shredder.

reply to post by Exsisto


Common sense and compromise, tact and diplomacy does not work on the party with the ram rods.
They are steamrolling and you can't negotiate with that.

reply to post by Exsisto


No I doubt Obama will still be in office by then. Even if re-elected at this rate the country will collapse by then if not shortly after due to his economic decisions and waste of his first term, so keep living in your fantasy world buddy.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by PatriotAct
How can a citizen respect someone that doesn't respect the U.S. Constitution??

I happen to agree with those that say the Constitution needs an overhaul - - - and that many people use it as an excuse in these forums.

The Constitution is a 200+ year old framework. It needs an update.

The constitution worked for 150 years till we decided to start making changes to it, why don't we restore what worked in the first place. Like limited Federal Government that doesn't try to violate the states's rights to govern themselves as was intended.

You and others here are saying that the drivel is getting old. I think what's getting old is the idea that any of this matters. Divide & conquer, oldest trick in the book. Separate the classes, get them to fight each other instead of the ones crushing their throat. And it happens all the time! Anyone here remember the death of anna nicole smith? that crap went on for a MONTH straight. some blond gold digger with fake boobs held the msm attention for thirty days straight. we could've been invaded by martians and to this day i wouldn't know it b/c that's all they covered.

And then we have these marvelous ppl who want us to give away our freedoms so we can stay "safe". don't you drones get it YET? we bomb "them", they respond, (unless the terrorists are "ours" then they get away and we kill them later) and then we make up new laws to keep us safe from "them" when "them" had jack squat to do with it in the first place!

this is how they work, they WANT us to ASK for our own enslavement. (protection) And sure as hell we're giving it to them. 4th amendment gone 1st amendment has been regulated to "zones" when it comes to official buildings. 2nd amendment being swept away due to extreme inflation of ammo. (and no i don't buy the whole "supply and demand" argument, it's still lead and gunpowder and that # is cheap damn it!)

OBL was the old boogeyman, now the "new and improved" boogeyman is the american ppl. (If you see something, say something) Jesus Christ on a cracker, how more orweilien do you need to get before you get it?

here's the bottom line, take it or leave it. solutions are HARD, life is hard. the mind is a muscle like everything else, and when you use it, it improves, when you DON'T, it deteriorates. ppl have given up on solutions, and see bitching and complaining as a solution! guess what? IT'S NOT! you are being dumbed down on purpose, it's in our food, it's in our schools, (when was the last time, including college, you studied logic?) it's in our media, and lack of substance=no critical thinking. smart ppl respond, dumb ppl react. there's a difference, which one are you doing?

Originally posted by Bakatono

Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by jlm912

 

I've read the constitution.

I've read the amendments.

Aaaaannnndddd yet, you don't get it.

You know what they say about Opinions.

Originally posted by alienreality
By destroying this country and destroying liberty and freedom, the POTUS is showing he has zero respect for the country as well as zero respect for it's people, so to reciprocate a lack of respect towards him is not only justified, but inevitable..

Perhaps if he respected the office and what it stands for, people whould have respect... Respect has to be earned, and all he's done is poison the presidency..

That sort of depends on what side you are on. Many people are angry he has caved and done so much compromising with Republicans who offered nothing in return to make him look like a failure. But I can promise those same people would rather re elect him than trust the country to the barbarians at the gate. It may come to pass they will be in power again and "grind our bones to make their bread" but the people will find and elect another 'hero' to do battle with 'the dragon' as they always do.

Originally posted by Annee
You know what they say about Opinions.

Haha touche. Agreed, though I must say, yours smells pretty bad.

Originally posted by Brandon88
The constitution worked for 150 years till we decided to start making changes to it, why don't we restore what worked in the first place. Like limited Federal Government that doesn't try to violate the states's rights to govern themselves as was intended.

Population: 1788 - - 2.4 million (free population)

Population: 2012 - - 313 million people

1788 States/Colonies: 13

2012 - - 50 states - - 7 US territories.

As for the OP, though it has been previously stated, we have a right to speak about the POTUS in whatever manner we chose without legal repercussion. Those who need respect his position are legally bound to do so (military and such), for they take their orders from the position, and may only disobey where reasonable. The common citizen, however, is who the POTUS works for and represents. Our criticism should be heeded, however childishly/unintelligibly worded, for that purpose exactly.