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Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Yes, I am convinced by your HUGE WALL OF TEXT/LINKS! Don't. Do. That. Again. Please! Its like feeling your eyes crawl up in the skull to avoid that mass of ugliness! *shudder*
“No doubt your agency has established procedures for investigating probable cause suspicions when a Selective Service Registration card has been forged,” Arpaio writes.
Arpaio’s investigators concluded that Obama’s Selective Service registration card fit into what was becoming a common narrative for his life: The document was not only forged, it was poorly forged.
Originally posted by Anunaki10
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Yes, I am convinced by your HUGE WALL OF TEXT/LINKS! Don't. Do. That. Again. Please! Its like feeling your eyes crawl up in the skull to avoid that mass of ugliness! *shudder*
May i ask who you are refering to? The title of this thread is "Sheriff Joe wants Obama's original draft card. WooT",
and i previously posted this Police Officer Clint Grimes, and Lucas D. Smith, in this TV program as they say showing the actual identical Birth Certificate from Kenya, he claims he went to Kenya to get in February, 2009 as he says proving Obama was born there, so i guess you may be refering to someone else? Just asking...edit on 26-3-2012 by Anunaki10 because: (no reason given)
"this Police Officer Clint Grimes, and Lucas D. Smith, in this TV program as they say showing the actual identical Birth Certificate from Kenya, he claims he went to Kenya to get in February, 2009 as he says proving Obama was born there"
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
"this Police Officer Clint Grimes," - what? who? why "this"?
", and Lucas D. Smith, " - who? what does he have to do with it all?
"in this TV program as they say showing the actual identical Birth Certificate from Kenya" - in which program?
Originally posted by Anunaki10
Originally posted by XyZeR
Do you even speak English?
I both speak and write English Do you also have a problem on how to use the cursor with your Mouse or Touchpad? In case you have a problem with that, then just look at my instruction to 'ManFromEurope' and you should be able to learn how to use a Mouse or Touchpad. Do you know what a Mouse is? A Mouse is a very important tool for your PC, so in case you don't have a Mouse, i can only recommend you to buy a Mouse in Computer store. A Mouse is not expensive. You can also use your Touchpad if your Computer have Touchpad, in case you prefer to use Touchpad.edit on 26-3-2012 by Anunaki10 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by HauntWok
reply to post by OldCurmudgeon
The problem is, no amount of evidence is good enough for birthers to believe. It's already been settled in the minds of the sane and rational. The evidence proving that Obama was born here in Hawaii has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Those that still have doubts are being unreasonable.
Sorry folks, the case is done, but if y'all want him in office for another 4 years, keep this up, all it does is hurt the GOP candidates, especially if they get tied to this issue.
Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by DrMattMaddix
If you mean that's he's severely unwanted here on ATS then you are 100% right.
Remember that this is also the place where topics such as "Whites are more discriminated against" are common. Obama will win the re-election in November.
Originally posted by HauntWok
The evidence proving that Obama was born here in Hawaii has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
The suit alleges that while records exist of a "registry of birth" for Obama in Hawaii (filed four days after his claimed birthday), NO records exist of his mother's stay in any Hawaii hospital, suggesting she may have given birth elsewhere and filed the registration shortly thereafter on American soil.
"Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states. "Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was PREVENTED from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal RESTRICTION to AVOID births during a FLIGHT. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."
The claim could not be verified by WND inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public.
Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.
Third Hawaiian Official Denies Existence of Birth Certificate: 'Obama Not Born In Hawaii'
Former Hawaiian Senior Elections Clerk, Tim Adams, Provides Sworn Affidavit Indicating Obama was Not Born In Hawaii - And Joins Hawaiian Governor and Former DPH Chairman, Brian Schatz, As List of Eyewitnesses To Shocking Roster of Mounting Evidence Against Obama Grows
Honolulu, Hawaii – Eventually, the conflagration of mounting evidence will reach critical mass and command the attention of the American judicial and legislative authorities…one way or another. Then Obama will have a choice to continue perpetuating his covert identity, or fulfill his own standards of "transparency" with the American people.
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Obama cannot run from his dark past forever.
Former senior elections clerk, Tim Adams, became the third of current or former Hawaiian officials bearing intimate knowledge about Obama's natal documentation to formally indicate that the Aloha State does NOT possess an original, 1961 birth certificate documenting the natural-born citizenship of Barack Obama. Adams says Obama was definitely NOT born in Hawaii, but he does not know where else Obama might have been born because there is NO original documentation showing his attested birthplace.
On January 20th, 2010, Adams signed a sworn affidavit which reasserts testimony he gave in an interview with WLRM radio’s James Edwards, in early June of 2010, when he first publicly said that the state of Hawaii does not possess an original “long-form”, 1961 Certificate of Live Birth on file for Barack Obama, and therefore, Obama could not possibly have been born in the state of Hawaii. In the interview, Adams said, “There is NO birth certificate – it’s like an open secret. There just isn’t one. Everyone in the government in Hawaii knows this.”
Adams managed the Absentee Ballot Office of the Honolulu County and City Elections Office. He served as the Senior Elections Supervising Clerk during the 2008 election and had access to vital records in his primary duty of verifying voters’ identities. Overseeing approximately 45 workers, it was his job to confirm the personal information of voters in collaboration with absentee balloting.
While serving in the Honolulu office of elections, Adams also checked with both major medical facilities in the city, Kapi’olani Medical Center and Queens Medical Center and was told by administrators of both hospitals that they possessed NO medically verified record of Obama’s birth in their facilities, including ANY birth certificate signed by a doctor or hospital administrator.
Even to this date, NO hospital in Hawaii, nor any agency within the government of the State of Hawaii has EVER verified or confirmed possession of ANY original records documenting Obama’s 1961 birth there.
Adams discontinued his position with the Honolulu Office of Elections in September 2008 and now is an English professor at Western Kentucky University.
“I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, states' driver’s license information, international passport information, basically just about ANYTHING you can imagine to get someone’s identity…I was informed by my boss that we did NOT have a birth record for Obama.” Adams said.
Two weeks later, in an interview with an ABC affiliated TV broadcast, Adams again said, "As of the time I was in Hawaii, working in the elections office, we had many people who were asking about the eligibility of Senator Obama to be president. I was told at the time there is NO long-form birth record (an original birth certificate from 1961), which would have been the case if President Obama was born in a hospital in Honolulu. There is NO such form in Hawaii."
“Adams claims the Hawaii government was ENGAGED in a COVER-UP designed to tell the American public through the Obama-supporting mainstream media that Obama was born in Hawaii!!! Even though NO long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama could be found on record in the Hawaii Department of Health.”
Evidence I have not seen... the BC on the website is a severe fake. Stupid or fraud, I can't prove.
Without question, reasonable and rational people who are tired of being lied to and manipulated by our government are finally standing up and insisting on transparency (which this administration openly lied about) and clarity.
IN my many years of being actively involved (directly and indirectly) in politics, with both the donkeys and elephant and back a few became an independent, this batch of GOP candidates easily capture the title of, "WORST CANDIDATES IN THE HISTORY OF THE GOP".
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
And wow, just look how I can ignore your bad manners - they are insignificant to me, thanx a lot to my age and experience in flamewars.
No doubt your agency has established procedures for investigating probable cause suspicions when a Selective Service Registration card has been forged,” Arpaio writes.
Arpaio’s investigators concluded that Obama’s Selective Service registration card fit into what was becoming a common narrative for his life: The document was not only forged, it was poorly forged.
Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator’s background, and in today’s lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls ‘dual loyalties’ due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.
Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator’s use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a FORGERY by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of ‘multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries’ remains on the table.
In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and NOT in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was PREVENTED from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, ‘apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight.’ As Sen. Obama’s own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham–Obama’s mother–gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.
Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could NOT legally be passed on to him, Obama could NOT be registered as a ‘natural born’ citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed ‘natural born,’ that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama’s registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name ‘Barry Soetoro’ and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.
The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama’s half-sister.
Next time try harder if you want to hit, I just float like a butterfly. (M. Ali, 1973)
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Whatever else you said, I filtered out of your gabbling about you complaining about me complaining about your ugly walls of text.
Originally posted by Anunaki10
In the lawsuit, Berg states
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
No, wait - I can read without reading. And maybe you misunderstood - long training (I metioned flamewars) has given me the ability to ignore sentences which are meant demeaning, so I don't have to fume in front of a monitor. They are leaving me in my relaxed, cool (not "cool" like "what a cool guy", but cool as in cold, unimpressed) state of mind.
I meant that I block the insults and read the rest.
, so I just try to define my way to handle harrassing posts with personal designation, no worries.