Sheriff Joe wants Obama's original draft card. WooT

Originally posted by txjab512
Does anyone know anything about Barry, or Barack, or whatever his name is? What is Obama's relationship to the Ayers? There is a pretty good documentary on Netflix about how the MSM basically put Barack in office. It's called Media Malpractice. Watch it then do some digging of your own. There are a lot of discrepancies about who this guy is. And I'm not talking about his birth certificate. He is not Jesus people. He is a man. He was a senator that basically came out of nowhere to become our President. You have to be suspicious of everyone that takes on the level of responsibility that people like Obama take on. QUESTION EVERYTHING! Barack, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Bush, Carter, Nixon, etc, etc, have all been crooked in one way or another. We have to stop this your team my team BS and demand that these so called leaders comply with the will of their employers! US!!!!!!!

Sure, but you are planted in a thread discussing, yet another way to delegitimize the president
with technical means, this time a card from 1980. And you exactly right, he is not Jesus, yet you
seem to think he is Satan, which is just as crazy.

reply to post by dogstar23


The birther's aren't blind. The people who won't look at the evidence against him are the problem.
Just how much will you deny??
Let's just start by calling his Kenyan grandma a liar.

reply to post by SilentKillah

TextIf you weren't a birther, you wouldn't make statements such as "His records are sealed". Do you think I can just go all willy nilly into your records and get a copy of your birth certificate????? NO!!!!!! Guess what... your records are "sealed" too... you neighbors are sealed... your childrens are sealed... EVERYONE's ARE SEALED. Don't be a fool.

I too am a birther but not by choice. This present government made me a birther. You have shouted that "everyone's are sealed" but that is not the entire truth of the matter. Yes it is true that the average Joe Blow cannot walk into the halls of records,wherever they may be, and demand whatsoever records that he may want, but with the proper authorization Joe blow can verify whatever he wants to verify and even get duplicates of said records. Happens every day with investigations.

But now that is altogether different than what this situation calls for. We are now talking about the highest office in the Republic and the rights of the peoples of the United States to confirm their legal vote for the president of this Republic. This confirmation has been hidden from all sources of legality and kept hidden from confirmation. That sir is not legal and is subversive in all aspects of law. This act by the president extends not only into his birth records but into all of his records. Birth, educational, and social records are not just protected but hidden from the people of the Republic and yet we are asked to cast an educated vote for this man.

You should be ashamed to call your fellow American a fool for wanting the truth. Even though you may not agree with another American gives you no honor in calling him or her a fool. This nation was built upon integrity and the blood of the ones who died for freedom. You cannot have freedom and a suppressive form of government. Sheriff Joe is a brave American and is putting his very life on the line to show this truth. You may snarl and call names but it only shows your fellow Americans just how communism gets its hold upon a nation.

reply to post by muse7


Hi Muse7!

I agree with you that this has gone on too far in the way that it has been handled. I can not believe that so many different angles have been taken in order to obtain legal, real documentation of the eligibility of Barrack Obama to be President of the United States and lead the country to what is in the best interests for current and future citizens and immigrants.

Out of everything, what bothers me more than anything about this is the fact that people from either side can not put down the agendas in order to find out if the person they have bought into is legitimately qualified to be the leader of the great United States of America!

I can not believe that so many Obama supporters will blindly defend the possibility that he falsified his identification and legally binding documents that prove his citizenship, without any substantial proof otherwise.

Why is it that Obama supporters will not put their beliefs about the man and his agenda to the side long enough to learn whether he is lying and trying to push an unknown agenda through the government and bring it into reality?

Same as the Obama haters, I don't understand why they will continually push the subject down the throats of the supporters who will obviously never ever loosen the Kung-Fu grip they have on the trust and plans Obama has asserted are his priorities.


Why will these two sides not put down their beliefs long enough to work, pro-actively, with each other in order to find out the truth about this situation and discover whether anyone should be buying what Obama is selling or whether anyone should continue to float the citizenship question to the surface?

Wouldn't you like to have this issue addressed and verified in a way that leaves 0 doubt about his citizenship? Wouldn't it be better to have the answer to the questions, backed by certified investigations and fact, when telling the accusers they are wrong and you can prove it... REALLY prove it?

I also can not understand why it doesn't concern Obama supporters that it is very possible that he and his
entourage have given effort to lie about his eligibility to be president.

If I were choosing someone to lead our society into the future, giving my trust that they are a truthful person who has the best interest of America and the citizens of America, I would definitely be alarmed at the accusations and even more alarmed to learn that the accusations are actually possible. I would stop my support in it's tracks and push to get the truth, the real truth!

How come Obama supporters do not do this? What makes supporters blind themselves to this possibility and then try to convince others that it is all hokey and they should give it up? Why don't the supporters join the effort to prove that the documents are real, just as the haters are trying to prove that they aren't?

reply to post by braindeadconservatives


No, I don't think he's Satan. I think he's a lying politician. That's all. Doesn't matter who he is. If there is something out there that will tear him down I'm all for it. Like I said time and time again. Doesn't matter who the President is. Or what party he represents. He doesn't represent you and I. It's time for a revolution! Maybe we should elect Satan. At least you know what your getting with him. This whole thread is a ridiculous, bantering mess. Everyone, Obama supporters and birthers alike, is missing the big picture.

Where the hell was "sheriff joe" when Bush was in office? He went AWOL, for God's sake.

Threads like this make me glad I voted for Obama, and I'll be happy to do it again.

Obama 2012.

reply to post by EvilSadamClone


Obama is the one who feeds the controversy. He trotted out a certificate of live birth and a digital document he purported to be a real long form birth certificate (it wasn't PAPER). In addition, his 2 books have shocking inaccuracies and omissions about his life and his history. Plus, Bill Ayers admitted he wrote Dreams of my father!

it's not the "birthers" who bring this # on to Obama, it's Obama himself, his relationships with sketchy people, and his continued effort to suppress his entire life history and records, more than any other president in history.

www.americanthinker.com...

reply to post by DrMattMaddix


I wonder why you would trust the word of a hand picked office doing the investigating? If they actually had anything on Obama they wouldn't need to request a hand picked office. Smells like bull# before an election to me.

reply to post by Drew99GT


Sorry, I just don't agree, and will never agree. This is just the usual Presidential Derangement Syndrome rearing its ugly head.

It's the Birthers who're driving the issue and all Obama did was try to accommodate their irrational demands.

Originally posted by Drew99GT
reply to post by EvilSadamClone

 

Obama is the one who feeds the controversy. He trotted out a certificate of live birth and a digital document he purported to be a real long form birth certificate (it wasn't PAPER). In addition, his 2 books have shocking inaccuracies and omissions about his life and his history. Plus, Bill Ayers admitted he wrote Dreams of my father!

it's not the "birthers" who bring this # on to Obama, it's Obama himself, his relationships with sketchy people, and his continued effort to suppress his entire life history and records, more than any other president in history.

www.americanthinker.com...

I never could figure out why they even released a ".pdf" in the first place

A ".jpg" would have been just about rock solid.

Unless there is a master hidden agenda ?

Like hiding something else perhaps ?

Or, maybe hiding a tree in a forest.

Or even a log in a woodpile ......

Originally posted by dogstar23
This whole discussion is ludicrous. I am of the belief that all presidents, Democrat or Republican (at least in my 36 year lifetime) have been complete frauds and serve a master other than the American People, so I don't think this whole birther thing is a joke because I'm an Obama supporter, I think it's a joke because the "birther" crowd is so obsessed with it, they cannot see or comprehend anything logically.

I've needed my birth certificate for things (for getting a marriage license, for example), and my original is LONG GONE. Nobody knows where it is. I've gotten certified copies from the county. That's the best I could possibly find. Heck, Obama has more than me as there are birth announcements from newspapers - I don't think there were any birth announcements published in papers for me. Based on the birther logic, no matter what I did, if I were president, I would be unable to prove my birthright citizenry.

And this idea of the good Sheriff's "probable cause" is ridiculous. Sure, there is not 100% proof that his draft card is legitimate until dna tests, radio-carbon dating, and whatever other ridiculous extremes the Sheriff wants to waste taxpayer money on are completed, but even if they showed as legitimate, how would that do anything to affect the argument? It wouldn't.

Personally, I know that Obama works for the globalist cabal, and he's not a good guy any more than Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Carter, etc., were, but we have been FAR better off in many categories under his presidency. If you can't view the raw numbers and see that, you're "as blind as a birther."

SPOT ON Dogstar. SPOT ON. Which proves my point: Obama is the one who continues this controversy so it takes people's eyes off the real power elite and the decisions they make. I feel like an asshat for even engaging in this manure, but..................there's too much history about Obama that is very troubling.

reply to post by xuenchen


He trotted out a pdf because he knew we'd still be talking about it. That way, we won't talk about the fact that Wall Street funded Obama's 2008 campaign more than any other president in history. Or that we won't be talking about the NDAA, or a multitude of REAL issues. maybe like the 18% real unemployment rate or the roughly 7% real inflation rate.

It is my impression that Sheriff Joe is an uneducated man using his authority and hatred of democrats to cater to a certain element of the republican party. His accusations are downright asinine.

As a result, I have contacted the office of Sheriff Joe requesting they release proof of his high school graduation. Not just the .pdf, but the originals delivered to me. They have not responded, so I am in the belief that Sheriff Joe is an uneducated dimwhit looking for attention. The proof is in the words, his actions and the lack of his original graduation certificate.

What I find interesting on this entire subject are the defenders of Obama and vigor in which they approach the subject. If someone told me that Ron Paul was a space alien from Mars, I wouldn't even bother to comment. That is, unless I thought there may actually be some validity to the claim, but I felt I must defend Ron Paul from being discovered to be an alien from Mars.

Personally, I just want to know the facts. In my opinion, there is enough hokey stuff to warrant an investigation. I hope, for the sake of the country, that it turns out Obama is who he claims he is, and then this can finally be put to rest...one way or another.

Let me ask an honest question. What do you think will happen once someone successfully dethrones Obama?
What will have been accomplished? Discredit one puppet... another is stringed up for the stage in his stead.

reply to post by muse7

Sure...... if the question had ever been answered without obtuse agenda's this might have been avoided. The human condition would dictate that if you had something to hide, you would, and if it was in jeopardy of being discovered you would make every effort you were capable of to deny access. A document has been hidden.... the ability to access it has been denied. If there is nothing amiss, then providing the original document would clear up the entire question. All manner of 'plausible' excuses have been given to deny access. Executive privilege..... Well it only makes it look more and more suspect. There's too much in the way of evidence to the contrary, like his grandmothers statements early on, the nationality of his father, the amount of time his mother was on US soil, all the legal rules that govern applicability if claiming citizenship. It will be found out one day, when the puppet masters have no more use of him. Lies always have a habit of surfacing. When the agenda's right the republican party will expose him. Or maybe even the democrats.

That the possibility exsists that his certificate of birth is a forgery should be grounds enough to have it examined by the courts. If this was the goverment that had doubts about the authenticity of a document they too would do the same.

What I dislike most about this whole issue is that if you question Obama's past or say anything bad about him a small group of people will be all over a thread calling everyone a racist who does not tow the Obama lovers party line.

A small minded trick by small minded people.

Without doubt some people hate Obama because he is part black but I wonder if the same people who appear time and again in these threads to defend Obama would defend a white man against blacks if the shoe was on the other foot.

If the goverment here in the UK asked to see my birth certificate in an official capacity you could bet your last pound they would not take a dogey looking copy and just accept it. so why do people feel Obama's should be accepted at face value?

Ohhh ye it's cause he's black shhh don't say anything about him as we still have to pay for the whole slavery thing and I got white mans guilt.

Let the courts actually see it have it checked by a reputable source and finally put this to bed instead of throwing out case after case just so the judge can keep his job.

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Racists never see themselves as racist and always think they're the victims.

And always deny that they are racists.

But the entire undertone of this issue is:

"No matter what the evidence says, Obama is a Kenyan, and he should go back to Kenya".

And really, that has huge implications of racist overtones.

Why?

Because that's what black people get told a lot.

"If you don't like it in America, go back to Africa".

There really is no difference between the two.

Remember, in the past and even in some parts of America today there is still a fair amount of racism towards black people, and some people still believe that black people can't do this and can't do that, because they, according to the racists not to me mind you, claim that they lack the intelligence to qualify for things like being a doctor or a lawyer or scientist because, again, according to the racists, they are black.

After all, Trump went after Obama's credentials saying he couldn't be qualified for those credentials.

So as far me, I can not believe that this is not about racism, it absolutely is.

A reasonable person bases their conclusions on what the facts say.

Facts don't lie, but people will lie and dismiss the facts to suit their agenda.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Racists never see themselves as racist and always think they're the victims.

And always deny that they are racists.

Ahhh the old everyone is a racist even if they say there not card. Not really a good arguement for the current thread topic I see nothing in you posts that actually adds anything at all to the post other than "i say your a racist you think your not so I am right"