Animal abuser registry proposed in Michigan

reply to post by Danbones


I have no doubt that animals mourn the passing of one of their own.

I was simply commenting on the fact that they don't have to be kept in timy cages and be abused prior to death. People are going to continue to eat animals, so which is better? Keeping them happy and free roaming until it's their time or kept confined with little to no sunlight and fresh air?

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Miraj

 

I would say that is paying for your crimes, after already paying the debt required to society.

edit on Tue, 20 Mar 2012 13:44:28 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

And this is true, it is also the dirty little secret of sex offender registries that the state does not want you to know. Once you have served your time and payed your debt there is little the state can actually do. While sex offenders are told that they can't live "within 1000 yards of a school" and all the other regulations, what they are not told is that these are the conditions of their parole/probation. Once that period is up a sex offender is actually free to live anywhere and do anything that a regular citizen can do. This is why an animal registry would not really be any help with anything.

OK, not that I am not up for some good debate, but let's stay on the animal topic if possible.

One major difference in these is that an animal cannot speak for itself and tell someone when it is being abuse.
No, I do not think not getting it's vaccination is abuse.
Throwing acid on a dogs face in it's own kennel is.
If you cannot take care of an animal, you probably shouldn't have children. Just my opinion.

And yes, I do eat animals. They are free range until their time is up though, not store bought.
I honestly think have to raise your own food, in some cases, does make you respect the animal more.

Originally posted by chiefsmom

Animal abuser registry proposed in Michigan

www.lansingstatejournal.com

People in Michigan who are cruel to animals should have to register just as sex offenders do, a state lawmaker says.

Rep. Harvey Santana, D-Detroit, introduced a bill to create an animal abuser registry similar to the Michigan Sex Offender Registry.

"Look at the serial killers that we've had in this country," Santana said Friday during a taping of public TV's "Off the Record" at WKAR-TV in East Lansing. "Haven't they all started off abusing animals?"

Under the bill, those convicted of animal abuse would have to register, pay a $50 fee and notify police of address changes.

(visit the link for the full news article)

I agree it's a great idea. Not perfect but a step in the right direction. It is disheartening and stomach churning to hear what some are guilty of and worst of all unnecessary. No one should have a right to treat animals with disgusting cruelty and as this (D) person says, in many of these cases, animal abuse is a predictor of a young serial killer. This is no one you would want dating your daughter or watching your child. People have a right to be informed if there is a hazardous to the health of society living amongst them.

I think everyone should have to register for everything and make it public
I want to know if my neighbor cheated on his wife, or is gay, or robbed someone.
I want to know if my other neighbor hit a dog, or looked at teenie vids, or drove drunk.

Yes. I am all for it.

Also, I think the state needs to enact ordinances to where everyone must live in glass houses and no curtains...I may want to see what my neighbors are doing...



-looks for alternative countries to move to-

Originally posted by newcovenant
a step in the right direction.

I just keep looking at that line and get a chill down my spine.

Listen, if someone hurt my dog, I would kick their arse...not standing up for animal abuse..but I am of the opinion that once you serve your debt to society, and this society deems prison, probation, or fines to be the debt (or a mix), then thats it. no punishment after punishment is over.

My god we are simply begging for the government to rule over us in a very oppressive mannor..we are discarding the work of generations and tons of blood spilled on the ground for a passing moments outrage...

You think it will stop here?

Why not convicted drug dealers? They are seriously dangerous to our kids? Why can I know about who touched their daughter or flashed their breasts in public, but I don't know about the 4 time convicted house burgler next door?
See, this is not a slipperly slope...its a effin cliff..and we are swan diving off it, and everyone is judging how well the dive is executed.


When a person has done their time, their punishment is over...no, the government should not destroy an entire persons life for a moment in time they did something stupid..

and to disagree makes you Hitler!
(had to toss in Godwins law somewhere in this thread)

Originally posted by Danbones
I was just reading about a farmer saying he slaughtered a cow and he thought the whole herd was sad for weeks

I can believe that-I witnessed cows being taken to the slaughter house as a child,and their faces and screams still haunt my nightmares to this day.

They knew exactly what was happening to their herd companions in the front of the line.

It was one reason I became a veggie..

Animals do think,are aware and can suffer in a similar way to humans.
They can also form bonds,friendships with their own,or with us humans if we let them.
We can communicate with animals if we desire.
And that enriches our lives I believe.
Anyone who abuses animals deserves more than being put on a register IMO.
I will leave it at that,don't want to get banned..

Check out this thread for how awesome animals can be when you don't eat them:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Apology for shameless thread pimping.

reply to post by SaturnFX


I completely understand that it is getting to be a cliff.
But what else do you do, when cruelty is so prevalent in our society and common sense is gone?
If I actually saw someone abusing a dog or cat, I would try to stop it, and offer to take that pet off their hands.
At best, I end up with a extra animal. At worst? Who knows?
I guess I should stay in my own little corner of the world and ignore what is going on in it?
I really don't know.

I guess part of my problem is that I like most animals more than most people these days.

reply to post by chiefsmom


If you are take pleasure out of abusing animals, you will undoubtedly have no trouble harming human beings.

This is only something one can argue with, if he has no experience with people such as this.

I am actually glad for this - I hope it happens. Should be nation-wide.

After we've saved the animals, what about a Bank Abuse Registery?

Originally posted by chiefsmom
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I completely understand that it is getting to be a cliff.
But what else do you do, when cruelty is so prevalent in our society and common sense is gone?
If I actually saw someone abusing a dog or cat, I would try to stop it, and offer to take that pet off their hands.
At best, I end up with a extra animal. At worst? Who knows?
I guess I should stay in my own little corner of the world and ignore what is going on in it?
I really don't know.

I guess part of my problem is that I like most animals more than most people these days.

edit on 20-3-2012 by chiefsmom because: afterthought

-eating a ham sandwich-
Yes...hurting animals is bad.

ok, so yes, I am an animal lover...I would try to intervene if possible, and call the cops if not.
I think the sentences should be stronger for animal abuse..a person may reconsider if they are sent away for 5 years.
But there is gray area here, so maybe repeat offenders for the truely stiff penelty...do it once, get standard, do it twice, your going packing.
But, the point is, we must stop this endless punishment and fear. Who does it serve to know someone whom beat their dog 20 years ago lives down the street? You think he will forever be beating any dog he see's?

It is to induce fear into society..to make a person lock their door tighter because a dot is closeby on their radar, regardless of danger...and then you will lock yourself in, invest in more security, demand more law enforcement, control, control, control until your liberties are eliminated due to your own fear of your neighbor and what he may or may not have done years ago.

They -will- do drug dealers next...nice. so, your a 50 year old person, and your neighbors eye you suspiciously and keep their kids away from you because when you were 19, you sold some stuff and got nailed...

this is a society that is breaking itself so we can all live in a bubble...disregarding our principles in order to pretend we are safer.

you know what...I am far more wary of people whom have no record..that means they are just really good at hiding their issues and illegal activity and have not yet gotten the proper help they need to correct their action.

I do not support the nation demanding the state to make them paranoid and untrusting of their neighbors.

reply to post by SaturnFX


When I first read the article, I immediately thought it was a good idea. Mostly for breeders and the shelters to have a point of reference on potential new homes.
I also thought there will be problems. There already are with other registry.

I just don't know what else we can do.

Originally posted by chiefsmom
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I just don't know what else we can do.

Do nothing, there are already laws against animal cruelty we don't need more state and government interference with our lives. Kids and young adults that abuse and kill animals for fun generally are not going to the pet store once a week to get a new toy. No, they are rounding up the neighborhood dogs and cats and it is still illegal. A registry would not change anything as it would still be illegal and repeat offenders are always given stricter punishments no matter what the crime.

Its another increment toward the ...

POLICE STATE

Like in Atlas Shrugged, there's getting to be laws to make everyone into criminals. Fat dog? How about eating meat? Farming standards? Sara Palin in front of the turky butcher? Slipery slopies sliding toward total enslavement... Satanic law-makers prescribing more and more ways to criminalize and thus enslave everyone. I think it stinks and agree with the post about existing laws already being good enough. We don't need to make the nanny state even more into a prison state.

Originally posted by chiefsmom
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

When I first read the article, I immediately thought it was a good idea. Mostly for breeders and the shelters to have a point of reference on potential new homes.
I also thought there will be problems. There already are with other registry.

I just don't know what else we can do.

I had pair of bitches that paid for my education. Kerry blue terriors. Those dogs have attitude and there are some people who clash with that - we could tell and absolutely had a say on which of the puppies we allowed those more authoritive type families to adopt. And yea there were a few that came back for destruction.

My point is as a breeder you get a sense of it - and it's not a sense that you'd get from some missconstrued list. I've heard stories of people ending up on lists like those for no-good reasons and they were otherwise adoption-homes for shelter dogs that would have been destroyed anyway. So if somone wants a pet - give it to them, especially if the pet is on death row anyway.

BTW, here's a video of my dog. I sprung him from death row on D-day and if there were more of a process to it he wouldn't be here. I was traveling the week after getting him and had to kenel him - he really was slated for death that day we got him and they weren't willing to hold him even 1 week longer, even if given money to do so. And the kennel wanted to accuse us of misstreating him because he had rocks in his stool - apparently the shelter had withheld food and he was eating the concrete from the wall of the cage (I saw it too). His teath also had embedded steal on them.

Putting everyone on a registry list
sooner OR later is a bad idea..

Lets keep the list for only the worst of worst
who are walking the street and not muddy it
with bs

As an animal lover and an animal rescuer I think this is a brilliant idea. I also live in Michigan and have seen and heard of horrible, horrible things done to animals just because it's amusing to someone else. Just like the sex offender list I think that this should effect other parts of these people's lives. More so when it comes to being with children too. If these people have no problem harming a defenseless animal I doubt they have any issue harming a child.

reply to post by ohyouknow


The sex offender registry has had zero effect on sex crimes, the "animal abuser" registry would have the same effect.

Originally posted by DavidWillts
reply to post by ohyouknow

 

The sex offender registry has had zero effect on sex crimes, the "animal abuser" registry would have the same effect.

A good point.
Fact is, if you live in a urban/suburban area.... Looking at the sex offender database WILL scare you. There are a whole lot of them out there.

Why do animals get an abuser database?

I want people that are convicted of assault on any humans put on a database!

reply to post by butcherguy


Why, so you can chew your fingernails and live in fear?

reply to post by SaturnFX


You honestly wouldn't want to know if your next door neighbor had a tendency to rape children?
I know it seems unfair to them, but what if something happened that could have been prevented with that knowledge?