Are Earthworms Closer to Divinity Than Us?

Just watched a documentary named Dirt which speaks about how important topsoil is to all life. It also speaks about how through industrial agriculture we have destroyed 1/3 of all top soil on the planet in just under 150 years. The doc also speaks about the importance earthworms and mycelium and how are vital they are to our survival.

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
Just watched a documentary named Dirt which speaks about how important topsoil is to all life. It also speaks about how through industrial agriculture we have destroyed 1/3 of all top soil on the planet in just under 150 years. The doc also speaks about the importance earthworms and mycelium and how are vital they are to our survival.

Precisely.

In fact, earthworms may very well be the greatest example of how intelligence breeds evil, as my thread postulates: Intelligence and Choice

Earthworms are very simple creatures, incapable of any but the most basic of intelligence. Additionally, they are physically designed to not only live without destroying, but actually be unable to harm anything. Pleasure and pain are unknown to them, and thus they have no experience of negativity. In order to feel negativity, one must have something positive to compare it to. Earthworms have achieved the perfect balance of pure existence.

This, to me, is the highest form of divinity available within the wide range of living organisms on Earth.

If God is love, I believe this and for the sake of this discussion, I hope you will consider that this is plausible.
Is a worm capable of loving? Even if it was it has limited means to express/share that love. I think the ability to love and be loved is essential to be God-like. To know, love and serve God puts us in a direct relationship with the Lord, a relationship of our making. Yet His love, (because it is the greatest love in the universe) for us makes us closer to Him than we could ever make ourselves.

Do you catch my drift? I am not closer to God than the worm because I know how to love God and the worm doesn't, but God has made me closer to Him than a worm because of His love for me.


People sometimes are rotten and sometimes are terrific. Heredity, environment and free will factor into how we play the hand we are dealt. Seems like even though many animals have the ability to love their modus operandi is instinct.

Little mister worm is an awesome critter at all times. Plants, too, are awesome, so are most other animals. Definitely must say people could learn alot about unconditional love from a dog, yet it is doubtful they consider or have love for a higher power. With people it is what we do/think/say that defines whether we are or . Whether we are dirt bags or somebody's hero makes no difference, we have a God that loves us. Regardless, of whether we believe in God or not, we have the ability to do so if we choose.

I understand that if you do not believe that mankind is made in God's image this holds no weight to your way of thinking.

As I have said elsewhere on this forum, if I did not believe in God then I could not consider myself any better or more important than a worm

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
If God is love, I believe this and for the sake of this discussion, I hope you will consider that this is plausible.
Is a worm capable of loving? Even if it was it has limited means to express/share that love. I think the ability to love and be loved is essential to be God-like. To know, love and serve God puts us in a direct relationship with the Lord, a relationship of our making. Yet His love, (because it is the greatest love in the universe) for us makes us closer to Him than we could ever make ourselves.

Do you catch my drift? I am not closer to God than the worm because I know how to love God and the worm doesn't, but God has made me closer to Him than a worm because of His love for me.


People sometimes are rotten and sometimes are terrific. Heredity, environment and free will factor into how we play the hand we are dealt. Seems like even though many animals have the ability to love their modus operandi is instinct.

Little mister worm is an awesome critter at all times. Plants, too, are awesome, so are most other animals. Definitely must say people could learn alot about unconditional love from a dog, yet it is doubtful they consider or have love for a higher power. With people it is what we do/think/say that defines whether we are

or

. Whether we are dirt bags or somebody's hero makes no difference, we have a God that loves us. Regardless, of whether we believe in God or not, we have the ability to do so if we choose.

I understand that if you do not believe that mankind is made in God's image this holds no weight to your way of thinking.

As I have said elsewhere on this forum, if I did not believe in God then I could not consider myself any better or more important than a worm

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You believe yourself to be closer to God because society, which was built on religious foundations, wants you to. And why do they want you to? Because religion is a tried-and-proven method for keeping mankind from getting into trouble.

Worms have no potential for causing trouble. Hence, they do not require what we call "religion". Religion is a control system employing employing interpretation in order to keep us from dying out.

You speak of love. Love is what we use to defy the darker side of our nature, especially when our government encourages our animal side for the benefit of corporations. The worm simply exists. It follows its precise nature...but the divine aspect is that its nature was designed to be entirely constructive.

Despite all of our love, we are still very capable of destruction. We have to kill to eat, we have killed to maintain our territories, and we will continue to kill over ideals of perfection.

The worm does not kill. It does not envy. Even if it does not love, its divinity comes from both its inability to harm, and its lack of desire.

Is this clear now?

Perhaps if you clarify your definition of divinity if would help. When you say this about earthworms:

they are physically designed

I believe you are acknowledging a higher power was their architect.

People do bad and people do excellent things. People take care of others. People give of their time and talent to make the world a better place. People chose professions that save others, help advise and console others, find cure for diseases, etc..

You bet, our society is in decline because of ego-centric people that think only of themselves .

Do you give back more than you take? Do you try?

Is an earthworm self-less? No. Can an earthworm intentionally sacrifice for the good of others? No. Would an earthworm give its life for others? Not willing.

You can attack by belief system until you are blue in the face, but what makes an earthworm divine? I can not equate its positive attributes with divinity. Are you pantheistic? If not, what's your deal?

Love is what we use to defy the darker side of our nature, especially when our government encourages our animal side for the benefit of corporations

If you do not see love as the greatest force there is then we will never agree. It is more than a tool to defy the darker side of our nature. Hey what about guilt? You could say the same about it. Try fear on for size.

You can't put love in a shoebox. It's very sad if this is the only way you perceive it.

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady

Love is what we use to defy the darker side of our nature, especially when our government encourages our animal side for the benefit of corporations

If you do not see love as the greatest force there is then we will never agree. It is more than a tool to defy the darker side of our nature. Hey what about guilt? You could say the same about it. Try fear on for size.

You can't put love in a shoebox. It's very sad if this is the only way you perceive it.

I see vibration as the greatest force there is. Vibration is at the root of heat, motion, and decay, which are among the greatest devastators of our world. Vibration is also at the root of healing and growth, some of the primary sources of improvement in our world.

Love is positive vibration; negativity is...well, negative vibration. All vibrations serve a purpose. Both dark and light have their uses. Vibrations are a tool until we learn to incorporate them into our subconscious nature.

I do say the same of guilt. Guilt teaches us that our animal nature, hidden in the recesses of our subconscious, is no longer needed as we grow older. Fear also protects us when we have not learned about the world's dangers. It is a counterbalance to our insatiable curiosity, and therefore keeps us alive.

Our understanding of love can fit in a shoebox. And our understanding is the only way we can perceive it. We generally view things beyond our perception as theory, so how can I not rely on my perception regarding love?

I look forward to hearing more from you on this matter.

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Perhaps if you clarify your definition of divinity if would help. When you say this about earthworms:

they are physically designed

My definition of divinity is a state of perpetual love, contentment and creation, with a distinct lack of destructive force or desire to destroy.

I am not telling you this should be your definition, I am simply saying that by these very positive standards, we should perhaps examine earthworms as a model of divinity...in principle, of course.

People do bad and people do excellent things. People take care of others. People give of their time and talent to make the world a better place. People chose professions that save others, help advise and console others, find cure for diseases, etc..

I am sorry you see the world this way. Perhaps you are not aware of the societal programming that is evident in each generation...the tools employed by the media and government-controlled boards that educate and guide each generation as its individual members come into their own path and power. These tools have one purpose, consisting of hundreds of sectors working as a clock does to perform one simple task. Clocks tell time - we make money.

We help others out of religious concern. We help others, not for them, but for God, and Jesus, and for our own souls. We help others because hopefully, they will eventually begin to give back to the government. We help others because that's what we encouraged to do, in order to maintain the illusion that we are a respectful, stable society.

Do you give back more than you take? Do you try?

No. Why? Because I do not take much. You must take more than you need in order to give, and I take only what is required.

Is an earthworm self-less? No. Can an earthworm intentionally sacrifice for the good of others? No. Would an earthworm give its life for others? Not willing.

An earthworm is not selfless because it is never provided an opportunity to be selfless. It is not created simply to die; it is created to live. And in its life, it will aerate soil, nutrify the soil, nutrify the bacteria it ingests, and improve the condition of the soil it inhabits. Is a worm required to sacrifice its life for the good of others?

Is sacrifice required of any of us?

The only reason sacrifice exists is because man has decided that death is a suitable offering for the powers it has determined are actively at work within the world. In other words, sacrifice was mankind's desperate attempt to control fate. When we all work together and accept that each of us commands our own life, and that we are all responsible, directly or indirectly, for the happiness of those we live with, we will no longer need sacrifice. Sacrifice is a perversion of empathy.

Who says that an earthworm is willing to do anything? Willing implies choice, but where is the choice in a creature with limited capabilities. It is physically designed for one course of action. Free will, once again, is an expression of our desperation to control fate.

Free will is a symptom of intelligence. I do not judge a worm by human standards, nor compare it with human ideals. I compare it with nature, with the pure design and intention of life.

Worms do not need free will, for they are limited. They do not require sacrifice, for they do not desire to control fate. They are free of desire.

This is part of why they are, in my eyes, divine.

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the bottom point of evil freedom is the positive drive to move for taking advantage of knowing that smthg exist

that is what worms and rats exhibit the most meaning by repeating it in all circumstances of their life

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rats and worms are what exist out of dirt, so if there is nothing they wont exist
which prove that worms are not divine since by definition gods exist from nothing and always outside existence

Originally posted by absolutely
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rats and worms are what exist out of dirt, so if there is nothing they wont exist
which prove that worms are not divine since by definition gods exist from nothing and always outside existence

Worms and rats are made of dirt?

I didn't know this.

Oh, and prove to me that "God" is nothing. No one exists on any precise definition of the nature of "God". No one can even say what "God" is. You know a lot for coming from a race that is well-known for being ignorant.

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Dirt is a comostion of living organisms too.. That being said I think animals are closer to god becuase we have an ego to filter the world through. Animals dont have that. If you really want to understand the mind of god in my eyes look at a pebble. Perfect in everyway and closer to god than we can ever be...

Originally posted by purplemer
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Dirt is a comostion of living organisms too.. That being said I think animals are closer to god becuase we have an ego to filter the world through. Animals dont have that. If you really want to understand the mind of god in my eyes look at a pebble. Perfect in everyway and closer to god than we can ever be...

That is because everything is composed of the periodic elements - even dirt.

I don't think we have an ego, so much as we are compelled to define everything around us. In our desperate struggle to give meaning to our reality, we have falsely defined and overcomplicated everything that isn't physical.

Pebbles are incapable of creating, nor learning. That is the only flaw I can find with it.

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That is because everything is composed of the periodic elements - even dirt.

Dirt is a living composition of mirco-organisms. It is a living matrix and is just as alive as the worm... Moving onto the pebble in our conservative view of life in is not alive. But who is to say that the molocules in the pebble are not attracted in the same way that plants and animals are attracted to each other.

A pebble can create. Hold a pebble in your hand. It has all the knowledge about how to be a pebble. How to hold its shape and how a pebble. Can you be a pebble. Do you know how to be a pebble. Do you know how to hold the trillions of bits of information in the right format to make a pebble.

Yes we have an ego. It is what we identify as outselves. What gives us our personality and what dictates our limitations in life. It is a filter that restricts reality in its totality.. It stops ups seeing the one in nature. A pebble does not have that problem. It has no mind...

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u r such evil dirt, u say that god is nothing, i said gods by definition are out of nothing, which is totally the opposite of what u say that i said, and that is what expert evil dirt keep saying as the condition of meaning smthg to get

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by absolutely
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rats and worms are what exist out of dirt, so if there is nothing they wont exist
which prove that worms are not divine since by definition gods exist from nothing and always outside existence

Worms and rats are made of dirt?

I didn't know this.

Oh, and prove to me that "God" is nothing. No one exists on any precise definition of the nature of "God". No one can even say what "God" is. You know a lot for coming from a race that is well-known for being ignorant.

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ignorant urself piece of insolent evil will, any is free plus, that is how existence is really free
so worms or any is never made of any, but it is about the free plus move in means n wills

Originally posted by purplemer
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That is because everything is composed of the periodic elements - even dirt.

Dirt is a living composition of mirco-organisms. It is a living matrix and is just as alive as the worm... Moving onto the pebble in our conservative view of life in is not alive. But who is to say that the molocules in the pebble are not attracted in the same way that plants and animals are attracted to each other.

A pebble can create. Hold a pebble in your hand. It has all the knowledge about how to be a pebble. How to hold its shape and how a pebble. Can you be a pebble. Do you know how to be a pebble. Do you know how to hold the trillions of bits of information in the right format to make a pebble.

Yes we have an ego. It is what we identify as outselves. What gives us our personality and what dictates our limitations in life. It is a filter that restricts reality in its totality.. It stops ups seeing the one in nature. A pebble does not have that problem. It has no mind...

composition of micro-organisms

Silicon, carbon, sodium, phosphate, all of these atomic components within dirt are organic?

Soil Composition

On a volume basis a good quality soil is one that is 45% minerals, 25% water, 25% air, and 5% organic material, both live and dead.

Soil is not alive, anymore than the car in which we drive is alive. Yes, it contains life, and yes, organisms do utilize the car...but the car itself is not alive.

Generalizations and ambiguity often invite inaccuracy.

Molecules are attracted by physics, but plants are not always attracted to animals. Animals will seek out plants as a food source, not as a law of atomic behavior. Any attraction is a triggering device intended to ensure survival.

Does a car have all the knowledge of creating a car? It does, but can the car use it? Pebbles do not create more pebbles except through an inexorable outside influence. The pebble does not decide to become sand. The wind and water force it to.

Our ego is, psychologically, what balances the negative with the positive in our psyche. It is only natural so far as to keep us from extinction through piety and barbaric behavior. However, positive and negative should never be at war. That is when there is an imbalance, or a struggle for dominance. There is no dominance, only a precise balance which allows the perception of all angles.

The earthworm has no emotions, whether they be positive or negative. It creates no karma, simply living as it was made to live. It is purely living.

Your concepts of these matters, it seems, are muddied. I can help you clarify, if you want. Or you can stay with your own views.

Either way, I look forward to further discussion on the matter.

How is one animal closer to 'God' than another ? We are all in the same place, we are all part of the universe and although we interact with it in different ways all ways are equal.

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Soil is not alive, anymore than the car in which we drive is alive. Yes, it contains life, and yes, organisms do utilize the car...but the car itself is not alive

Soil is a living matrix. How do you think it metabolizes minerals to feed plants....? Healthy soils switches from arobic to anaerobic states. This allows different types of baterica to function.

A single teaspoon of that soil may contain 600-800 million individual bacteria from a possible 10,000 species; several miles of fungal hyphae; 10,000 individual protozoa; and 20-30 beneficial nematodes from a possible 100 species.

themodernhomestead.us...

Originally posted by TruthIncarnate
How is one animal closer to 'God' than another ? We are all in the same place, we are all part of the universe and although we interact with it in different ways all ways are equal.

Well, considering how many members of our own species we've killed because they didn't have blonde hair, or came from the wrong country, or maybe spoke with a lisp...

Honestly, I can't find a lot of animals that are farther from "God" than us. Even the sharks only kill to eat, or because their instincts were triggered. They don't walk onto land with the sole purpose of wiping us out so they can flood the country and expand their territory, while the smarter sharks devise ways of helping us to breathe underwater as their slaves.

And sharks are among the most hated things on this planet.

Is my point made?