"We Are This Far From A Turnkey Totalitarian State" - Big Brother Goes Live September 2013

I operate now with the understanding that my phone calls are listened to and my e-mails are read. So i'm allready carefull about what i say. In that sense the NSA won't get anything on me and this won't change the way i live my life. I'd like to someday go off the grid and dump all of these hightech devices, then there's no way you'll be spied on.

reply to post by ButterCookie


You forgot slavery and mass graves....

Now that's what i call a home sweet home

I'm surprised I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but U.S. citizens don't have anything to worry about (If you believe the rules are followed, that's your own personal opinion)

The NSA and the rest of the intelligence agencies in the U.S. have to follow a set of rules called USSIDs. If you would like to learn more about these regulations this is a good source of information:

cryptome.org...

reply to post by lokdog
you need to watch enemy of the state, what was in the movie is close to what they really have, ill give you some real time cam yes audio no not with out cell phone or phone, web link, or radio, interception. zoom 1000mag , it is said the can see the pixels in a news paper print if they want too, most of the time 10ft snap shot to 3 foot max zoom

reply to post by Imightknow
2005 ? you do know this is 2012 and the NDAA2012 over steps this with the 1020-1026, not to mention some other laws that say yes it is ok for the DHS to spy on you by your neighbor doing for them, with no proof just hear say.
now I wonder how many despitiful neighbors will use this on each other just to get rid of them?

Originally posted by lokdog
I operate now with the understanding that my phone calls are listened to and my e-mails are read. So i'm allready carefull about what i say. In that sense the NSA won't get anything on me and this won't change the way i live my life. I'd like to someday go off the grid and dump all of these hightech devices, then there's no way you'll be spied on.

Lols. But they have predator drones and Satellite technology now for that too.

I mean if they really wanted to find/spy on you they still could I'm guessing and it probably wouldn't be that hard unless you lived deep underground.

reply to post by Imightknow


I assume you are referring to the the FY 2000 Intelligence Authorization Act, which was transmitted to Congress at the end of February 2000.

A little known proviso based on he Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, 50 U.S.C. §1801 et seq. was made

where The Fourth Amendment provides:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. U.S. Const. Amend. IV.

This proviso by the NDRP executive act will change the world as we know it and above all, make above mentioned amendment null and void..

Do you really believe the "new" NSA with this electronic behemoth and its limitless capacity to exhert surveillance on all US Citizens and of course any other human being on this planet simultaneously on a real time basis will stop them for implementing said ability? Are you so naive.

The US since Obama is not the US of either BUSH or the presidents preceding him. The precidency of Obama is one of total political corruption and for that the TPTB needs a state of the art system mentioned in this article and in the other links I have provided on this thread.

This is not 1984 anymore. George Orwells dark dreams of a horrible tomorrow is but soft breeze compared to the storm approaching on the horizon. Its name "Stellar Wind" is well chosen.

You will not know this demon until he comes calling. Then it is lights out.

Having stated certain words in my original OP I am flagged by the current NSA systems.So are you and all those on this board. Nothing will probably happen today or tomorrow but in a couple of years when the market has crashed and Obama has executed the full force of his latest Executive Order, the NDRP (National Defense Resources Preparedness) then we are all screwed. Mark my words.

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by Imightknow

 

2005 ? you do know this is 2012 and the NDAA2012 over steps this with the 1020-1026, not to mention some other laws that say yes it is ok for the DHS to spy on you by your neighbor doing for them, with no proof just hear say.
now I wonder how many despitiful neighbors will use this on each other just to get rid of them?

Traditionally, Gang stalking has been used to get rid of neigbours you don't like.

Mine are doing this to me BUT the really scary thing is that they had been surveillancing my home 4 years before I could work out what was happening to me and I had NEVER even met them.

But I think the problem with this NDDAA is they can now do what they did to many NON jews in Pre Nazi Germany. They killed many political dissidents/ the elderly/ mentally handicapped prior to the Holocaust.

reply to post by yurichan
or disarm you, put you in git mo, and say he/she is acting in a terrorist manner,ie put guns in vehicle on a week day or bring in bulk food items UPS showing up every other day or 2 times a day , asking, "could you show me how this works" any or all could get you a one way trip to git mo er FEMA camp.

publicintelligence.net...

There is something that I believe needs to be said in relation to the people that will be working there:

Utah's predominantly Mormon population is hard wired to trust any and all politicians that are A) Republican and B) Mormon Church members. It is extremely difficult getting any kind of consensus among the population regarding even the possibility of wrong doing on the part of their elected Republican officials. Hatch voted for this facility and he was right there in the signing line on the NDAA. He has been in office for 32 years now, no questions asked. Utahans WILL spy on the country without hesitation, especially if the surveillance can be framed in a "morality" context. There is a theocratic fascist organization in place here already and the transition to a global plutocracy is very much within the matrix they support. Support for leaders is an expectation in the LDS Church, without question. They even have a token "VOTE" for leaders that doesn't carry any weight. Mormons believe that their leaders will be removed by God if they are corrupt, and that they will not be held responsible for their actions if they are following the orders of a corrupt leader. Their faith in the leadership, somehow, disconnects them from exercising personal judgment or critical analysis. The mindset actually looks at blind faith and obedience as a morally superior action and condemns anyone that attempts to find facts or points out inconsistencies, lies and wrong doing. This attitude appears to have jumped from the Church leaders right into the politics of the state. Leaders here are almost revered as infallible. At least the Republican leadership. Their officers are extensions of their religious offices and they actually seem to think that they are speaking for God at times, even as they fudge and bend the laws.

There is a culture of deliberate subversion of any but the official theocratic agenda here. This extends to the nullification of Bill of Rights related activities, redistricting to ensure Republican rule, regulation of tobacco and alcohol under a central commission that TAXES this commodity heavily and misuses the funds... corruption is accepted if the "morality" of the issue is correct.

I am not saying that Mormon’s are evil, just too damn trusting of leadership. Often they are very ill informed of events and issues. All of our local stations are dominated by the Soros / Murdock paradigm and alternate news stations are all reliant on public donation.

UTAH is the perfect place for this kind of surveillance. Remember, The CIA, FBI, NSA and every other secretive government agency recruits heavily here. Even Howard Hughes was aware of Mormondom’s propensity to produce unquestioning drones for nefarious purposes clothed in the robes of moral correctness.

If we get it into our heads that we are morally responsible for reporting what you are viewing, saying or doing, we WILL report you. Be ready.

Oh, so now it's 2013?

Because it was supposed to be several times already in 2012, and we're only a few months in.

Before that the NWO was to enact their nefarious plan about 13 times in 2011, 26 times in 2010, and 19 times in 2009.

How many times are a bunch of paranoids quoting other paranoids going to trumpet the coming totalitarian state and have it not come to pass before you finally accept that it's the ramblings of deluded people with too much time on their hands?

Originally posted by jtap66
Oh, so now it's 2013?

Because it was supposed to be several times already in 2012, and we're only a few months in.

Before that the NWO was to enact their nefarious plan about 13 times in 2011, 26 times in 2010, and 19 times in 2009.

How many times are a bunch of paranoids quoting other paranoids going to trumpet the coming totalitarian state and have it not come to pass before you finally accept that it's the ramblings of deluded people with too much time on their hands?

You were aware of it coming but didn't notice it happening? A good number of assaults on privacies and freedoms have occurred already, right on schedule. The heat has been continually going up and some of the frogs have noticed. Enjoy your hot tub party.

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This situation is quite pathetic, that the government has to store all our private information. I believe now is the time for people to be more politically aware of bill's in the process of being passed and new laws emerging.

Can't be too much of a secret considering the details in the Wired story (which people should read instead of the one linked at the other site). Anytime that much info is in the public realm it's on purpose. If it is on here it is not secret at all.

Link to original story at Wired.

Sounds like all that is changing is they are better at breaking encryption and this will be a huge storage facility.

The reason I don't panic over this, is the simple fact it would take more than the entire population of the world to monitor the population of the world. Since the entire planet is not working for NSA, they clearly won't be able to monitor anything not specifically targeted. I doubt this matters to an ordinary citizen, but to other governments it's bad news.

I doubt they can even watch 1% of communications and it's probably in the thousandths of a percent. Considering the size of the NSA, how many communications could they intercept, evaluate and follow up on in a day? Not many.

Just don't use words to trip a flag. I often wonder how often those who post violent threats on the Boards get tagged? Echelon has been admitted to in the public realm, what twelve years ago? Nothing new here, but I agree it's troubling.

reply to post by moonzoo7


I agree that the system we have in place here in the USA is not like Hitler’s.

Germany had full employment and apparently no poverty (lets exclude those rounded up), this was because Hitler's Germany spent vast amounts of money putting some 6 million people back to work after WW1 and the great depression from the Wall Street crash (Germany owed the US alot in loans, they defaulted on that and went pillaging Europe to pay for its new utopia). [We restore “democracy” around the world, and some of our companies get some benefit, plus we get an important say in global trade agreements/ global security ...]
The government sponsored actual holidays, recreation, entertainment and even free cars. [Our welfare is just not this generous to the average citizen]
They blamed Jews for most of Germany's problems. (USA: Illegal’s / gangs / drugs/welfare spongers)
For "ordinary people", life was good (as long as you didn't speak up or try to strike or were "sub-human")
Women were forced from careers and rewarded for breeding. (Seems as if some Republicans would like this bit IMHO)
Initially only political opponents were sent to the camps. (We just tend to harass/jail pacifists / journalists /animals rights activists/ environmentalists and raw milk providers! )
Children/citizens were encouraged to report unpatriotic behavior/opinions. They didn't have the technology back then to seriously snoop on everyone so just had to make some examples of people to encourage the notion all were being watched.
Then those that were deemed racially or socially inferior were rounded up or sterilized and sent to concentration camps or deported, later in the regime came the "final solution". [We stopped sterilization programs in the 1970’s and although quite a few from the list below are over represented in our jails, it’s due to lack of resources… and most can still get out eventually…unless they are on 3 strikes]
Jews, Gypsies, black people, mentally ill, physically/mentally disabled, beggars, homosexuals, prostitutes, alcoholics, pacifists, criminals and protestant preachers.
Hitler's wanted to be "loved" , our leaders do not appear to need any adulation, well maybe Newt G would like some but he doesn’t look as if he’ll get nominated.

A totalitarian NWO would be amazing with the right person or philosophy at the wheel. Make me king of the world with total trust and control for the next 10 years, and I can promise you this world would be a much better place.

Originally posted by calnorak
Very interesting. I was under the impression, at least back in 2006 that most of this was already done in the name of "National Security".

Well, if by "Nation" you mean the top .01% -- then sure.

We'll know that their security plans are complete when they do away with the lame "for your safety" nonsense they try and sugar coat this stuff in.

Everything I've seen regarding "National Security" since 9/11/2001 has been to protect THEM from US.

reply to post by johncarter


Thank you for the link. After reading it, I feel justified in my original conclusion: while the communications of average citizens will be recorded by the NSA, the information they contain will be of little interest to the organization. As an article in Wired Magazine points out:

The NSA is more interested in the so-called invisible web, also known as the deep web or deepnet—data beyond the reach of the public. This includes password-protected data, US and foreign government communications, and noncommercial file-sharing between trusted peers. “The deep web contains government reports, databases, and other sources of information of high value to DOD and the intelligence community,” according to a 2010 Defense Science Board report. “Alternative tools are needed to find and index data in the deep web … Stealing the classified secrets of a potential adversary is where the [intelligence] community is most comfortable.”

Will the data center allow the NSA to listen to your phone calls, scrutinize your bank transactions, read your emails, etc.? Yes. But why would the NSA do those things when your communications don't contribute to the "intelligence" it wishes to increase?

Moreover, in order to get the attention of the NSA, a communication must contain data that raises a red flag. Unless you are conducting bizarre financial transactions, participating in illegal activities, or threatening national security, the likelihood of a red flag being raised is slim.

I concede that the data center is an impingement on our notion of freedom, but "notion" is the key word. For the average citizen, the data center represents a violation of conceptual freedoms, not literal ones.

As far as I know there are two ways of doing fascism.

One is the way that Hitler and Mussolini did it. Basically you have a partnership between the political arm of the government and the financial and industrial interests in the country, with the political people in the driver's seat.

The other way of doing fascism is to have the same partnership but with the financial and industrial interests in the driver's seat. That is how it is being done in the United States.

Because of this difference, the look of fascism is very different in each case, but it is still fascism.

Fascism is always elitist and anti-democratic. The most fundamental rule of fascism is the "Golden Rule": He who has the gold makes the rules.

In Germany politically dominated fascism allowed nutty, racialist ideas to become important to the point where they were a major liability to the state. One could make the argument that Hitler's racialism cost him the war on the Eastern Front or that his racialism guaranteed that America would get the Atom Bomb first.

In the United States financially dominated fascism has created a series of nutty wars that have drained the US treasury and a ludicrous deregulated financial services industry that has gone out of control with fraud.

Hitler, like Mussolini would have had a "War on Drugs" that would make the DEAs heads spin. Mussolini's answer to the Mafia: gun them down or toss them in jail.

In the United States, financial interests are partners in crime.

Two kinds of fascism, each with its own style, strengths and weaknesses. Each vectored on disaster.

Parliamentary democracies or representative republics are better. Muddling through is better. People are happier. Their lives are better.

Take back your government America.