The direct astronaut quotes confirming their knowledge of aliens/ufos

Not an astronaut but still related-

I, Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, personally observed an 8 to 9 foot tall ET on my 27 inch video monitors while on duty in the Kennedy Space Center, Launch Control Center (LCC). The ET was standing upright in the Space Shuttle Payload Bay having a discussion with TWO tethered US NASA Astronauts. I also observed on my monitors, the spacecraft of the ET as it was in a stabilized, safe orbit to the rear of the Space Shuttle main engine pods. I observed this incident for about one minute and seven seconds. Plenty of time to memorize all that I was observing. IT WAS AN ET and Alien Star Ship!

www.stargate-chronicles.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by MainLineThis
I might have missed this in the thousands of posts on this part of the forum. But I figured if it was factual there would be dozens of threads directly related to specific quotes that confirm what many around here seem to think have come out of astronaut’s mouths.

Can someone here please direct me to a thread that clearly shows in context an astronaut directly saying they have first-hand knowledge of aliens or ufo’s? Not what they have heard, read on the internet, want to believe, or had dreams of. Considering the amount of fluff around here like light beings, star-gates, and every other piece of nonsense you would think that if some astronaut said something that DIRECTLY states what many here seem to think they have said, it would be damn near pinned at the top by now.

So, to put this to bed, can someone here please show us all, in context, where an astronaut states he/she has direct knowledge of aliens/ufos or anything of the like? (and yeah, you will say something like "they can't say it outright or they will get in trouble and their families will get killed, thus they can only hint and say they heard it from someone who knows someone"....save it, no need to pile fantasy upon fantasy in order to keep believing something there is not enough evidence for a sane person to subscribe to. If you want to do that there is thing already for you to take part in, its called religion.

I’m not looking for the stuff where they say what they believe, or what some drum circle peace loving hippie has told them, anyone around here can say that kind of stuff and these astronauts are no different than you and I (except they are better at math and can press buttons in zero G slightly better than a monkey can). I’m looking for the direct quotes that many around here seem to think they have heard but for some reason can’t seem to post the evidence of (short of some highly edited and out of context tripe that fools the ignorant very easily)

Thanks!

You have set yourself up for an impossible task. I have not read any replies because I want to reply without being influenced by others.

Simply, the only way you can get your answers is to either contact the astronauts personally as I did with Story Musgrave and get their direct words, or you can watch documentaries where the astronauts are interviewed and you can hear them directly if the video has not been tampered with. Asking others, especially on a forum like this is a wate of time because, IMO, no one here is any kind of authority or has the special, private knowledge you are seeking. If it hasn't been shared with the world, it certainly won't be found here or in the Internet.

However, there's no benefit in being negative so I do hope that if you gain any insight, you'll share. Now, I'll see what the others have said and if I'm wrong I can always come back and edit this!

Originally posted by wigit

Originally posted by MainLineThis
So, to put this to bed, can someone here please show us all, in context, where an astronaut states he/she has direct knowledge of aliens/ufos or anything of the like?

Edgar Mitchell founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences in 1972 to test the paranormal, all because his life changed after he walked on the moon. And he found there was something to it. Then he concluded that thoughts have an effect on REALITY.

He found a healer who made his blind mum see again. When she found out it wasn't her Christian god that healed her she went blind again.

This might count as something "of the like" to some, though I predict it's just "highly edited and out of context tripe" to you, lol.

Wouldn't you agree that you'd be on safer ground if you didn't depend on anecdotes? No one can heal! Mitchell's dreams are just that, dreams. You can start all of the institutes you want but they should be founded on solid ground, not fantasies of the mind! Something definitely affected Mitchell after his trip to the moon, a trip into fantasyland!

Originally posted by freelance_zenarchist
Not an astronaut but still related-

I, Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, personally observed an 8 to 9 foot tall ET on my 27 inch video monitors while on duty in the Kennedy Space Center, Launch Control Center (LCC). The ET was standing upright in the Space Shuttle Payload Bay having a discussion with TWO tethered US NASA Astronauts. I also observed on my monitors, the spacecraft of the ET as it was in a stabilized, safe orbit to the rear of the Space Shuttle main engine pods. I observed this incident for about one minute and seven seconds. Plenty of time to memorize all that I was observing. IT WAS AN ET and Alien Star Ship!

www.stargate-chronicles.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Everytime I read this story it cracks me up!

Nobody was in the room with him looking at the monitors? There weren't automatic recordings of what was being transmitted to be seen on the monitors? Who and where are those astronauts, give 'em sodium pentothal and let's hear the truth. Hell, give McClelland the "truth serum" and let's see what he says!

Originally posted by freelance_zenarchist
Russian cosmonaut cases

That's a picture of Viktor Afanasyev. Wasn't there a discussion on ATS recently where Russian material was found that indicated the TV program was falsifying what Afanasyev was actually saying in Russian?

Originally posted by freelance_zenarchist
Not an astronaut but still related-

I, Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, personally observed an 8 to 9 foot tall ET on my 27 inch video monitors while on duty in the Kennedy Space Center, Launch Control Center (LCC). The ET was standing upright in the Space Shuttle Payload Bay having a discussion with TWO tethered US NASA Astronauts. I also observed on my monitors, the spacecraft of the ET as it was in a stabilized, safe orbit to the rear of the Space Shuttle main engine pods. I observed this incident for about one minute and seven seconds. Plenty of time to memorize all that I was observing. IT WAS AN ET and Alien Star Ship!

www.stargate-chronicles.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Elsewhere on his website McClelland claims the astronaut was Story Musgrave,

Originally posted by mark1167
reply to post by JimOberg

 

I found the original interview and he does clearly state the Mercury experience wasn't true. But what I did find interesting is the story of his experience over Germany and what it states.

In the encounter, which took place over Germany in the early 1950s, Cooper saw "flights of fighters flying by in the same sort of formation we flew, moving east to west." The U.S. Air Force base scrambled its own pilots, including Cooper

This tells me that an event happened that was enough of a concern that multiple jets were scrambled. So in my mind that tells me somewhere there is a report buried away that verifies this experience from multiple perspectives.
Also this experience reveals that again according to Cooper there were multiple witnesses and in this case film to back up the claim.

He also stood by his belief that he saw a UFO land at Edwards Air Force Base in California in 1957. Although Cooper had been filming the base with a camera crew at the time, the film, which he handed over to a high-ranking officer from Washington, has never emerged.

Maybe one day the information to verify Cooper's claims will be found. I wonder if anyone as done a FIOA based on his sightings?

Yes. I have, and direct interviews as well -- thirty years ago, when many other witnesses were still alive,and then I reported the results to Cooper and others, and later posted them on the Internet. Funny how they seem to be invisible to even serious investigators and analysts.

I wasn't trying to game you on this, I wanted to see just how hard it would be to locate the material you very properly describe as reasonable investigative goals -- along trails that have already been blazed by others, but it seems, invisibly..

Anyhow, your entire demeanor was reasonable and open-minded, and I was hoping it would elicit better results. You meant well and asked the right questions.

There's got to be a better way to exploit search engines on controversial topics, where the regurgitated distortions drown out opposing evidence and conclusions.

Re the posted link to Afanasyev's alleged statement:

In April of 1979, Cosmonaut Victor Afanasyev lifted off from Star City to dock with the Soviet Solyut 6 space station. But while en route, something strange happened. Cosmonaut Afanasyev saw an unidentified object turn toward his craft and begin tailing it through space.

"It followed us during half of our orbit. We observed it on the light side, and when we entered the shadow side, it disappeared completely. It was an engineered structure, made from some type of metal, approximately 40 meters long with inner hulls. The object was narrow here and wider here, and inside there were openings. Some places had projections like small wings. The object stayed very close to us. We photographed it, and our photos showed it to be 23 to 28 meters away".

Cosmonaut Victor Afanasyev commenting on a UFO sighting that occurred while en route to the Solyut 6 space station in April of 1979.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Reality check regarding Afanasyev biography:

www.spacefacts.de...

Born 1948, selected as cosmonaut 1985, made three visits to Mir (Soyuz TM-11, Feb 1990; Soyuz TM-18, Aug 1994; Soyuz TM-29, Feb 1999) and one to the ISS (Soyuz TM-33, Oct 2001).

This appears to be the original version of the Afanasyev story:

Here is the source www.rg.ru...

Читатели вышли в космос -- Они "управляли" кораблем, примеряли скафандры и пили звездный чай
Наталия Ячменникова, 11.11.2005, 05:00

РГ: Виктор Михайлович, правда, что вы видели НЛО?
Афанасьев: Это, конечно, выдумки. Но один раз посторонний предмет длиной примерно 40 сантиметров за бортом мы действительно наблюдали. Даже засняли. В тот день от станции отстыковался грузовик "Прогресс", так что, думаю, просто что-то отлетело. Может быть, кому-то за это и попало. Не знаю.

I translate it as follows -- do your own babelfish to confirm

[RG]: Is it true that you saw a UFO?

[Afanasev]: This, of course, is fabrications. But one time we actually observed a foreign object with a length approximately of 40 centimeters outside. We even photographed it. On that day the freighter ‘Progress’ was undocked from the station, so that, I think, simply something flew away. It can be, it found its way to someone. I do not know.


Somehow on the story's way to the TV show, the dates and destinations of Afanasyev's space flights were all changed, and the 40 centimeter fragment knocked loose during a robot freighter's undocking, became a 40 METER alien spaceship.

it's amazing how these stories can grow, all by their selves, sometimes!

reply to post by MainLineThis


This is outside your criteria but interesting to me none the less (I started a thread on it 3 years ago).

In 1999 Eileen Collins and Cady Coleman appeared on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. Also on the show was Hugh Grant who at the end of the show was invited by Leno to ask the astronauts a question. He asked them if there were ufos.

What's interesting is they didn't say 'no', they didn't make a joke about it, they didn't say 'yes. They said nothing and just smiled. To bring this back to your OP, they certainly didn't say they had direct knowledge but they didn't take the (very easy in my opinion) opportunity to deny they had either.

The story was reported in the british UFO Magazine at the time. You can read the transcript of the article on the original thread here
www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is as close as I've got to the original video which doesn't appear to be anywhere on the net. I remember watching a clip at the time although if you read the whole thread you will realise my memory can't be trusted! So it may be I've made up a memory of seeing the video based on the article.

I'd be interested if any contributors to the thread remember seeing the show themselves.

Originally posted by The Shrike
Wouldn't you agree that you'd be on safer ground if you didn't depend on anecdotes?

I know ufos are real so personally I have no need for anecdotes. But I still like them.

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I am not sure about the validity of the following quotes. Though it isn't direct evidence, it can still be verified.
You may have heard about this. Mitchell's views are always interesting.

reply to post by freelance_zenarchist

I, Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, personally observed an 8 to 9 foot tall ET on my 27 inch video monitors while on duty in the Kennedy Space Center, Launch Control Center (LCC). The ET was standing upright in the Space Shuttle Payload Bay having a discussion with TWO tethered US NASA Astronauts. I also observed on my monitors, the spacecraft of the ET as it was in a stabilized, safe orbit to the rear of the Space Shuttle main engine pods. I observed this incident for about one minute and seven seconds. Plenty of time to memorize all that I was observing. IT WAS AN ET and Alien Star Ship!

www.stargate-chronicles.com...

Does this even sound like someone who knows anything about space operations? Setting aside his awkward terminology, how can an alien be "standing upright" in "zero G?" Why does he not specify the mission, date and time? Why does he specify that it was a 27" monitor? If he only observed the scene for one minute, seven seconds, how was he able to determine that the "starship" was in a "stabilized, safe orbit?"

reply to post by MainLineThis


i think all the ones i know of are listed above

reply to post by DJW001


I assume it's because he's making it all up.

Originally posted by freelance_zenarchist
reply to post by DJW001

 

I assume it's because he's making it all up.

I think there's a lot of evidence that McCleland is imagining a lot of these stories without any reality behind them. Apparently it was something along those lines that blocked his security clearance for the space shuttle 'Fleet" job he got hired on for, twenty years ago, supposedly when several significant claims he made on his application didn't check out [shades of Ken Johnston!!]. So he was let go without ever serving on that job even though he still advertises himself as having had it -- and he made himself a bogus 'business card' with that job description on it, but his own personal post office box as the address.

Doesn't prove it's ALL bogus, but so much of it is, and has not been weeded out year after year, that things look pretty hopeless establishing credibility for these kinds of stories.

Originally posted by wigit

Originally posted by The Shrike
Wouldn't you agree that you'd be on safer ground if you didn't depend on anecdotes?

I know ufos are real so personally I have no need for anecdotes. But I still like them.

I wasn't talking about UFOs, I was talking about your mention of Edgar Mitchell's mum being healed of blindness, etc. When Mitchell isn't talking about his duties as an astronaut one cannot rely on truthfulness as he repeats a lot of things said to him and he is a believer and James "The Amazing" Randi could have a field day with him as he has exposed so-called healers!

So since the thread is about astronauts "knowledge" of aliens/ufos, mentioning this bit of trivia serves no purpose.

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Its rather simple,

There are those who believe there are those might believe and there are those who do not believe.


For arguments sake, prove to me that they dont exist without using a government source or a scientist that is or has been funded or in an affiliation through a network that has direct access to a government organization.

The fact is, we are not alone ladies and gentleman and no matter how many genuine videos are leaked on various video sites you can make sure that out of every single genuine video uploaded there are about 500 fakes, that's how the system works. Flood the network with content you want to be shown and you have exactly what you need and when you require it as ammunition against anyone who has a genuine video. Trust me on this one regarding flooding the net with disinfo.

As for me, yes i do say openly they have and continue to visit us at their own free will. Sleep tight but with one eye open.


" There are things out there! THERE ABSOLUTELY IS ! "
USAF - Test Pilot Major Robert White ( X15 Test Pilot )



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I have deliberately placed the words below my visual answer. It seems that standards have somewhat dropped, are you here to entertain and probe who is who. Make no mistake, what you have as ammunition might very well be supplied by me without your knowledge.

Originally posted by MainLineThis
So, to put this to bed, can someone here please show us all, in context, where an astronaut states he/she has direct knowledge of aliens/ufos or anything of the like?

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Genuine

As much as I love the astronaut stories, it is very easy to take it out of context, especially all the edited material on YT.

reply to post by cerebralassassins

" There are things out there! THERE ABSOLUTELY IS ! "
USAF - Test Pilot Major Robert White ( X15 Test Pilot )

I'm sorry, but Robert White was affiliated with the US Government. By your own standards, you cannot believe anything he says.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by cerebralassassins

 

" There are things out there! THERE ABSOLUTELY IS ! "
USAF - Test Pilot Major Robert White ( X15 Test Pilot )

I'm sorry, but Robert White was affiliated with the US Government. By your own standards, you cannot believe anything he says.

Since he was talking about small, close objects evidently originating from his own vehicle, the most reasonable course is to believe ALL he says instead of the out-of-context and crucial-details-omitted versions on the deceptive UFO websites and crockumentaries. In the early 1960s even the astronauts weren't fully aware of how MUCH 'stuff' was emitted from their own spacecraft and how it would fly alongside it while in a vacuum.