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What held us back, technologically, for so long??
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As people have suggested before: Christianity in the west held back advances. Islam in the middle east is holding back advances there even today.
Even suggesting that the earth was not the center of the universe was a crime punishable by death. Not before the christian authorities inflicted extreme pain via torture devices. Mental illness was thought of a "demons" and was often cured with unimaginably painful methods, often ending in death. Then you had things like the mass murder of millions by christian groups like the Inquisition. Murdering off numerous scientific and logical thinkers in the name of Christianity.
The sooner that religion can be removed from the world, the better. As has also been stated; the west is still held back somewhat, even today. Who knows what advances will be made once the world learns to let of of superstition... it will be a long time until it can be eradicated though, not in our lifetimes.
Even suggesting that the earth was not the center of the universe was a crime punishable by death. Not before the christian authorities inflicted extreme pain via torture devices. Mental illness was thought of a "demons" and was often cured with unimaginably painful methods, often ending in death. Then you had things like the mass murder of millions by christian groups like the Inquisition. Murdering off numerous scientific and logical thinkers in the name of Christianity.
The sooner that religion can be removed from the world, the better. As has also been stated; the west is still held back somewhat, even today. Who knows what advances will be made once the world learns to let of of superstition... it will be a long time until it can be eradicated though, not in our lifetimes.
Originally posted by MRuss
Are you sure it was Europe that advanced the world technologically?
The phone, the PC, the micro-chip...
The television...
The car...
I'm pretty sure these were all American inventions....
reply to post by MRuss
Telephone: Antonio Meucci (italian).
Computer: Konrad Zuse (german)
Car: different persons almost on same time like (Etienne Lenoir (1862) (belgium).
gasoline: invented by Abraham Shreiner (austria).
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Originally posted by MRuss
Are you sure it was Europe that advanced the world technologically?
The phone, the PC, the micro-chip...
The television...
The car...
I'm pretty sure these were all American inventions....
Alexander Graham Bell is credited with the invention of the telephone-Scottish
John Logie Baird invented the television-Scottish
Generally Britain was regarded as the father of invention(in reality most of the innovations were invented by Scots!)
Further examples include:
The Steam engine invented by James Watt-Scottish
The inventor of the first practical form of radar was Robert Watson-Watt-Scottish
The inventor of the pneumatic tyre is generally listed as John Dunlop-Scottish
the discoverer of penicillin was Alexander Graham Fleming-Scottish
The inventor of the first DEMONSTRABLE jet engine was Frank Whittle-Scottish
Gottlieb Daimler is generally credited with the invention of the car-German
The first practical computer was invented by Charles Babbidge-English
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Originally posted by chr0naut
Originally posted by Teeky
It's funny how most people posting here believe tptb history books. This is ATS, and I for one deny ignorance. The ancient people who built pyramids all over the world and other ancient mouments like stonehenge I believe were quite advanced.
Technology is so surpressed today because, the masses would become supicious if the governments let it all out at once. Most of the stuff we have today probably comes from roswell and the the pyramids and other ancient tech.
I read history books written by conquerors too, but I also recognized tptb are not giving us the whole truth about our human world history. Therefore I can't fully accept the European dipiction of history as a full truth.
Just like the bible has been rewritten it's a great chance history books have too.edit on 15-3-2012 by Teeky because: wordedit on 15-3-2012 by Teeky because: wordn
Then it becomes obvious that their advanced societies were "reset" somehow.
What reset their advances? What held us back?
... and there is little evidence that history and especially the Bible (for which we have historical sources) has been significantly rewritten. There are errors, omissions and additions, but they are mostly minor.
edit on 15/3/2012 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)
The King James Version of the bible comes to mind. As far as a "reset", war or some outside threat like a comet or meteor probably caused the "reset". But then theres pole shift, etc...
I believe aliens are dropping technology on us to smoothly transition our evolution. Each major technological advancement in the past has led to
entire Ages of evolutionary living. Modern technology is no exception, just look at what we've discovered the past 50 years or so, and more
importantly. look at what we can understand and comprehend now, given that technology.
We're evolving and soon we'll be intelligent enough to begin to easily comprehend things we only barely dreamt of 2000 years ago in our deepest thought tangent. Technology instigates evolution, that's what it comes down to. The more advanced our technology, the more intelligent our species becomes. This is no accident!
We're evolving and soon we'll be intelligent enough to begin to easily comprehend things we only barely dreamt of 2000 years ago in our deepest thought tangent. Technology instigates evolution, that's what it comes down to. The more advanced our technology, the more intelligent our species becomes. This is no accident!
We aren't ready yet for the technology we possess. We tear apart this planet trying to find things to build things we do not really need. We have
developed weapons that can destroy all animal life on the world if we were to launch them all at one time. We are creating things that are toxic to
the environment and these things will someday destroy our foodchain. Is power and might the answer to everything? Is gluttony of all types the
answer? I'm not even talking religion here, I'm talking common sense. Wake up and smell the roses before they go extinct.
Good food for thought here, I believe that we have been where we are now a few times and we keep resetting.
Either due to our love for war or some sort of natural disaster that keeps repeating.
It is not hard to Imagine either just look at the most recent pictures of Chernobyl and you will get the idea of how fast nature can reclaim what is her's.
Either due to our love for war or some sort of natural disaster that keeps repeating.
It is not hard to Imagine either just look at the most recent pictures of Chernobyl and you will get the idea of how fast nature can reclaim what is her's.
Originally posted by chr0naut
Originally posted by nake13
Originally posted by chr0naut
Originally posted by Buddha1098
reply to post by chr0naut
So that makes him American? By that logic Werner von Braun is American as well.
If you look at a complete American history, you'll see their names in it, as well as Einsteins.
... and if it was invented elsewhere (like the transistor or heavier than air flight) and no American loudly shouted out that they'd invented it, it often didn't happen.
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Actually Nikola Tesla perfected his main ideas whilst still based in Belgrade,ie wireless transmition of electricity,and by extension the Tesla coil,his "immigration" to the US was virtually forced upon him unfortunately,but hey,as you say if it wasn't invented in America what American has a clue about it right?
One prime example is the all flying tailplane which enabled the Bell X1 to remain controlable whilst flying through the sound barrier ,this was a British invention,invented by one Dennis Bancroft of the Miles Aircraft company and installed on his Miles M1 experimental supersonic aircraft,an aircraft that was ready to fly in 1946 and unlike the X1 it would have taken off without the need fror transportation to altitude by a heavy bomber,however,the British Government were "leaned on" by those allies of ours in Washington to scrap the M1 project and hand them the research documentation.
There is also very strong evidence that the Wright brothers were not the first to achieve manned heavier than air flight,(they cheated anyway by using a catapult to get airborne) that honour belonging to a Scot,maybe that is worthy of a thread all of it's own though.
Actually, not a Scot, but a Yorkshireman Wikipedia link
I did actually say that he was British not Scottish! It's OK we'll give the English credit for something!
Oh apologies I thought you were refering to Bancroft
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Preston Watson (1880 - 1914) The first "Flying" Scot. Whilst it is almost universally understood that the first recognised flight of an aircraft took place in 1903, when the Wright brothers flew their powered glider at Kitty Hawk Bay in the U.S.A. Less well known was the experiments of the Scot Preston Watson son of a Dundee Merchant with a glider that took place around the same time. Preston experimented with his glider, later to be powered, on the banks of the River Tay near Errol. Whether or not he flew before the Wrights can only be conjecture as little hard evidence exists. Almost certainly though by 1905 he was one of the first "Flying" Scot's !
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I think it happened through war, towns being ransacked, etc. etc.. maybe... religion probably had a lot to do with it. As for why and when did
technological advancements start increasing in occurance? I think it's just a natural cycle. Time is accelerating it seems, what with the rapidly
shortening increments in which technological breakthroughs occur. It's inevitable that we'll reach a point of culmination.. and its soon I think.. It
would only be natural. What will occur then? Dunno but it'll be cool to see.
We would be a lot more advanced right now if it weren't for corporations preventing technological advancements in order to maintain the current profit making modus operandi. Think about it. Fuel, for example - hydrogen as a fuel source would cost next to nothing. That would put many corporations out of business. It's difficult to make money off that. Now, medicine. What if medicine didn't have side effects? That's a lot less people going to doctors. And what if cancer was cured? That's a ton of less profit for not only doctors, but hospitals, therapy equipment manufacturers, billing companies, etc etc.. just an endless chain of different corporations that rely on these things for revenue, and to take them away = no moneyz.. and people tend to want lots of money.
We would be a lot more advanced right now if it weren't for corporations preventing technological advancements in order to maintain the current profit making modus operandi. Think about it. Fuel, for example - hydrogen as a fuel source would cost next to nothing. That would put many corporations out of business. It's difficult to make money off that. Now, medicine. What if medicine didn't have side effects? That's a lot less people going to doctors. And what if cancer was cured? That's a ton of less profit for not only doctors, but hospitals, therapy equipment manufacturers, billing companies, etc etc.. just an endless chain of different corporations that rely on these things for revenue, and to take them away = no moneyz.. and people tend to want lots of money.
edit on 15-3-2012 by free_form because: (no reason given)
One word: religion.
And it will always hold us back until we finally see some sense and abandon it.
It still amazes me that there's actually people still believing it.
And it will always hold us back until we finally see some sense and abandon it.
It still amazes me that there's actually people still believing it.
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reply to post by free_form
That's true. we went to a consumer based economy and until we correct that it will never get better. 22 percent of our economy is tied to healthcare. Lots more jobs overall in that field that support other jobs. Everyone knows someone who works in healthcare or pharmacuticals. Unless we get real manufacturing jobs people will remain sick.
That's true. we went to a consumer based economy and until we correct that it will never get better. 22 percent of our economy is tied to healthcare. Lots more jobs overall in that field that support other jobs. Everyone knows someone who works in healthcare or pharmacuticals. Unless we get real manufacturing jobs people will remain sick.
reply to post by chr0naut
Oh I see. Kinda of like how as an elementary kid I learned about John Cabot exploring Canada and found out as an adult he was actually an Italian Giovanni Caboto. Have you heard of that great Tenor Luke Paverot? He was American too right?
Oh I see. Kinda of like how as an elementary kid I learned about John Cabot exploring Canada and found out as an adult he was actually an Italian Giovanni Caboto. Have you heard of that great Tenor Luke Paverot? He was American too right?
What held us back ?
Lack of communication.
What kick started the growth ?
The printing press.
The speed of advancement increased with every step forward in "knowledge sharing" technology.
Leading up to the modern era where research can be engaged in by "teams" physically remote from each other but in constant real time communication.
Lack of communication.
What kick started the growth ?
The printing press.
The speed of advancement increased with every step forward in "knowledge sharing" technology.
Leading up to the modern era where research can be engaged in by "teams" physically remote from each other but in constant real time communication.
Originally posted by chr0naut
The start of the upward spike of the application of knowledge could have occurred anywhere, (ancient India, China, the Middle East or Greece), at any time but it seemed to come mainly from Europe and only a few decades ago.
So, what was it? Or conversely, what propelled us forward?
The Ancient Egyptians failed to maintain the tradition of keeping advanced knowledge out of the wrong hands. That's my guess.
By and large, ancient Egypt is considered to be one of the most peaceful of ancient civilizations -- so peaceful, in fact, that they did not have a proper army until the invasion of the Hyksos during their 15th Dynasty!
Prior to the Hyksos invasion, fighting was less prevalent in ancient Egypt ; warfare involved campaigns sent out to unify the country, and other, smaller disputes often required the use of foreign mercenaries. Because of their strong leanings toward religion, Egyptians did not have a drive to leave their own lands to fight foreign armies in case they were unable to give the proper funeral rites to their fallen soldiers
They probably guarded the technological secrets that led to the downfall of mankind in a previous age.
edit on 16-3-2012 by MaryStillToe
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It was the World Wars. -"Every Talent must unfold itself in fighting."
In another 100 years they'll be asking the same question and the answer will be "those damn thread debunkers. Always raining on someone's parade.
We coulda had zero point energy information shared across the world right after disclosure, but that one guy that jumped off the GWB after his thread
got ripped apart caused alot of others to hold back on sharing info!".
you think we're advanced? If we were advanced we wouldn't s*** where we eat...
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God held it back:
DANIEL 12
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and KNOWLEDGE shall be increased.
Think about it, our new tech is the worst thing that has happened to us humans. We were much better off without it.
Now that the end of the world is fast approaching, God released the flood gates of knowledge so we could kill our self that much more efficiently. Don't believe me? Stick around a few more years....wait till you see what the near future has in store.
God held it back:
DANIEL 12
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and KNOWLEDGE shall be increased.
Think about it, our new tech is the worst thing that has happened to us humans. We were much better off without it.
Now that the end of the world is fast approaching, God released the flood gates of knowledge so we could kill our self that much more efficiently. Don't believe me? Stick around a few more years....wait till you see what the near future has in store.
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When I was in A-school to be a Fire Controlman, I remember thinking how crazy the technology just for one capacitor was. The capacitor and how it
stores such large quantities of energy in so small a device, really made me think that humans didn't learn everything on their own. I don't know if
we really reverse-engineered electronics, but microchips really are amazing pieces of technology.