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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
Akragon doesn't know what it means to be a Christian. He believes anyone who says "IM A CHRISTIAN" is a follower of Christ
Come off it dude...
I said nothing like that... Your own people pull that little stunt...
Believe it or not, i don't consider myself christian because of people just like some of the members in this thread... NYT is not included in that group... btw
Thanks man, however I'm not better than my brothers in Christ. Perhaps I'm more mature in the faith? I dunno, I have my ugly days just like anyone else, in fact, probably more than anyone else.
Wow, please don't let the actions of us Christians keep you from accepting Christ. WE ARE NOT PERFECT, NOT EVEN CLOSE!!! (And the ones who claim to be ignore.) We're still sinners, we just happen to be repentant ones. We still mess up all the time even though we are justified in Christ.
edit on 15-3-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I am not going to argue with you as I can see you clearly are a Christian. But I would like to address a few of your opinions on me. First of all, I believe modern Christians are sending people to Hell by the bushel by not preaching and teaching about the HATE, FEAR, and ANGER of God just as much as they talk about the love, peace, and mercy of God. For you can't have one set of attributes without the others mirroring them. There is not love without something being hated.
Second, modern weak, pansy Christians are giving lost folk the wrong impression of God by saying God loves everyone.....He doesn't. God, right now, does not love one person on this planet that isn't a born again believer in His Son Jesus Christ. There is no alternative. That means all lost people, are enemies and will go to Hell when they die. Stop telling people God loves them without also telling them WHY and HOW HE loves them! He loved them in the form of His Son dying for them. That is all. That means.....if people don't believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ...then God hates them. Period. What? You think He would cast you into Hell "crying" saying I love you! No, He casts people into Hell laughing at them BECAUSE HE HATES THEM. READ MAN< READ!!!
Proverbs 1:24-30
24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
26 I also will LAUGH at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, YE CURSED, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
HEBREWS 10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under FOOT the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
I could go on all night. You have to show people there error by giving them something they WANT TO BE SAVED
FROM!!! And Hell is just as good as ANY excuse I know to be saved from. Repent sinners....because God hates you. This was the Message of Billy Sunday, Johnathan Edwards, Bob Jones Sr, and hundreds more. We MUST go back to the old paths....but I fear it is too late. God will spue modern Christians out of His mouth in disgust. Rev 3:16 Repent people....and believe the Gospel.edit on 15-3-2012 by KJV1611 because: i can
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
Akragon doesn't know what it means to be a Christian. He believes anyone who says "IM A CHRISTIAN" is a follower of Christ
Come off it dude...
I said nothing like that... Your own people pull that little stunt...
Believe it or not, i don't consider myself christian because of people just like some of the members in this thread... NYT is not included in that group... btw
edit on 15-3-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Yet you are claiming Mormons are a denomination of Christianity... When infact they are clearly a Cult. By that logic I would not be surprised if next you claim Scientologists are as well.
The fact that you feel the need to protest against every single thing I claim shows your bias against me because of my faith. So ask yourself why anyone should take your posts seriously if have a clear prejudice against Christians? We could be telling the truth, but you don't care... your aim is to argue for the sake of arguing...
I suspect I am not the only one that has noticed this about you.edit on 15-3-2012 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)
Well apparently that is the only "qualifying mark" either way...
How many so called "christians" on these forums dance around what was actually taught by Jesus...
and yet still call themselves Christian?
Some even believe that the 613 laws of Moses still apply...
and those that i've seen on these forums consider themselves "hardcore" christians.
Funny thing is i made that thread and the people that i was trying to bait didn't even show...
RevGen just said that Roman Catholics arn't christian... That doesn't even make sense!!
You say someone isn't christian, then someone says you're not christian... and so on... and so on.
The biggest issue with Christianity is that theres 34k different flavors... mormons are one of those flavors... like it or not.
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
Akragon doesn't know what it means to be a Christian. He believes anyone who says "IM A CHRISTIAN" is a follower of Christ
Come off it dude...
I said nothing like that... Your own people pull that little stunt...
Believe it or not, i don't consider myself christian because of people just like some of the members in this thread... NYT is not included in that group... btw
edit on 15-3-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Yet you are claiming Mormons are a denomination of Christianity... When infact they are clearly a Cult. By that logic I would not be surprised if next you claim Scientologists are as well.
The fact that you feel the need to protest against every single thing I say shows your bias against me because of my faith. So ask yourself why anyone should take your posts seriously if have a clear prejudice against Christians? We could be telling the truth, but you don't care... your aim is to argue for the sake of arguing...
I suspect I am not the only one that has noticed this about you ether.edit on 15-3-2012 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)
Exactly. Never expect a living mortal to exhibit perfection. This happened once, about 2012 years ago.
Christian duty is to help ensure the message lives on, despite countless attacks by the accuser. It's not our job to live blameless. We aspire, and the Holy Spirit within guides us to this end, but we are FAR from perfect. The closer you get to God, the more you see how your own sin seperates you from Him. Enter: Grace
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Christians don't save people, God does. We just plant seeds, and God will still save His elect despite all our garbage preaching and theology.
Brother, God's righteousness attracts no one, we hide from it. His mercy and grace is what attracts us to Him. His kindness leads us to repentance, not His wrath. And secondly bro, people who don't believe God exists could not care less if he is angry or not. Look at ourselves, did we give a crap about what God thought before He saved us? No we didn't, we were too busy being our own god to have time for another one who wanted to be our god. ("I do what I want, when I want, and for as long as I want.")
I really don't want to debate talking points....I want you to comment on the SCRIPTURE I post and not leave them off when you quote me. GOD is angry.....and it is up to us Christians to tell people about Gods FIERCE anger and wrath..and HOW THEY CAN ESCAPE it through Jesus Christ. If you only tell them a half sided story, no wonder they want get saved.
And yes, it is our job to WIN souls to Christ
2 CORINTHIANS 5
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the MINISTRY OF reconciliation;
Sounds like you and many others here need a lesson on how to talk to people about salvation. They must know they are useless, wicked, HELL bound sinners and God Himself will throw them into Hell if they do not come to God through His Son.
God, once again, does not love this world. You are blind if you think He does.
James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the FRIENDSHIP of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Now deal with my scripture I post, and not your talking points. Lets DISCUSS the SCRIPTURE, not spoon fed talking points some non denominational coward "teacher" would preach.
edit on 15-3-2012 by KJV1611 because: i can
I really don't want to debate talking points....I want you to comment on the SCRIPTURE I post and not leave them off when you quote me.
I've never cared if ANYONE takes ANYTHING i say seriously... as a matter of fact its almost my trademark on these forums... "believe whatever you like... I couldn't care less"
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
Akragon doesn't know what it means to be a Christian. He believes anyone who says "IM A CHRISTIAN" is a follower of Christ
Come off it dude...
I said nothing like that... Your own people pull that little stunt...
Believe it or not, i don't consider myself christian because of people just like some of the members in this thread... NYT is not included in that group... btw
edit on 15-3-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Yet you are claiming Mormons are a denomination of Christianity... When infact they are clearly a Cult. By that logic I would not be surprised if next you claim Scientologists are as well.
The fact that you feel the need to protest against every single thing I claim shows your bias against me because of my faith. So ask yourself why anyone should take your posts seriously if have a clear prejudice against Christians? We could be telling the truth, but you don't care... your aim is to argue for the sake of arguing...
I suspect I am not the only one that has noticed this about you.edit on 15-3-2012 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)
I claim mormons are a sect of Christianity because its a fact... Try taking a look at any booklet in "religious studies" from any university... Mormonism is considered a Christian sect... and it doesn't matter if you like it or not, its a simple fact.
Now Scientologists on the other hand are a joke... All they want is to sell their material... i've been to one of their "churches"... went through one of their seminars just for kicks... its called brainwashing
Heres the best part...
I've never cared if ANYONE takes ANYTHING i say seriously... as a matter of fact its almost my trademark on these forums... "believe whatever you like... I couldn't care less"
I have no prejudice against anyone... i take issue with obvious errors in peoples understanding of scripture... And my issues with you stem from your threads... NOT from your religion.
Though unlike you and people like you... i don't promote hate... or intolerance...
I don't hate anything or anyone including you...
That my friend, is why people take me seriously... And why most ignore you...
People are free to judge me as they feel necessary... it doesn't affect me in the least
edit on 15-3-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
reply to post by KJV1611
Now deal with my scripture I post, and not your talking points.
But when the Mormon Church was founded in 1830 so many ministers of other faiths have insisted it was a cult from day one!
Originally posted by threewhiteeyes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I am honored to call you brother. You speak clearly in terms of Truth, and exhibit the mannerism of what I refer to in op by mentioning 'true Christianity'.
By default, then, I can likely shuffle through myriad threads in which you are gangraped by liars and insult. We expect this, however, and I struggle in vain to respond properly. He's working on me, obviously. A lot. I'm afraid to say when I answered the front door, and saw Christ, I was QUITE a mess.
I think He likes the challenge.
I take him a lot more seriously than a cheshire cat that is 'telling it like it is' and 'just kidding' at the same time.
He didn't say anything hateful; he called you out, and was right.
And your insistence that mormons are christian...did you read op?? You didn't get op point, then you crack jokes without rectifying your foolishness, right before making an inaccurate claim and then accuse someone of something that you DO by accusing them!!
Mormons USE aspects of Christianity as a foothold for cult behaviour.
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by NOTurTypical
understood. Now "please" deal with the scripture I posed and lets not put this off any longer. God hates people. I have over 30 verses to prove this. God ONLY loves people THROUGH His Son Jesus Christ. If people don't accept Jesus Christ then they are not loved by God.
Im not here to argue about mormonism... they're a sect of Christianity... that is a fact...
chris·ti·an·i·ty - Noun: 1.The religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth,
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Akragon
Im not here to argue about mormonism... they're a sect of Christianity... that is a fact...
Akragon, no they are not. They are a "Christian cult" not a "Christian sect".
Do you understand the fundamental difference? Did you watch either of the two videos by Dr. Ron Carlson? Because I suggest you do so in earnest, listening to him teach you about cults is like sitting in a Physics class with Einstein as the professor.
chris·ti·an·i·ty - Noun: 1.The religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth,
Then it's settled. Mormons are not Christian by your own definition above. They certainly don't believe in the same 'person' of Christ (Christology) as Christianity does. They say He is a created being and a "spirit brother" of lucifer. They don't use the teachings of Jesus either. They say the cross and His shed blood is absurdity, yet Christ said it was for "this hour" that He came. Jesus said God is One, yet Mormons believe in millions/trillions of gods.
They don't teach that Jesus is God come down in human flesh, they teach that Jesus was born a man and became God by His own efforts.
edit on 15-3-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)