Addressing the JFK “Secret Society” Speech...

reply to post by magmaiura

It would be hilarious if it was not so tragic.. If any idiot soaks in the nonsense of this sponsored thread I would be surprised !

Ahhh, I've seen that tactic used many, many times before.

You can't refute what was said so instead of having a go at it.. you instead try to force others into believing what you believe as opposed to the argument you can't refute by choosing to insult people's intelligence, such as calling anyone who disagrees with you an idiot like in the quoted text above for example. Just a shame you're so obvious with it.

Newsflash, this is ATS. people are smarter than that. If you want to convince anyone of anything here, you're going to have to come up with something better than that I'm afraid.

Question? Why would anyone write such a detailed academic reply to a question that hasn't been asked?

If you read the thread you would understand why - I did give an explanation into why I'm writing up this thread already you know, lol.

reply to post by Rising Against

THANK YOU!!!!!
It's about communism and the Cold War.
However, I have a feeling that despite your revelation of the actual, unedited speech, people will still fight you on this. People generally believe what reinforces their ideologies and pre-existing belief systems. Unfortunately, this very much applies to conspiracy theorists.
In no way am I saying one should trust government and always believe the official story. I am just saying one should follow the ATS creed: Deny Ignorance.
Read the FULL text of the speech, and don't cherry pick.

reply to post by pierregustavetoutant


No it is not.

reply to post by Tarrasque


See, that's the thing.. It's not so much "theory" anymore.

It's well known what JFK was talking about - I highlighted it in my opening post. That's why there's a need for a thread like this.. people need to be made aware of it as many, as far as I can see, are currently not.

reply to post by pierregustavetoutant


Yes, that's exactly it and thanks for your post. This in particular is what I admire:

In no way am I saying one should trust government and always believe the official story. I am just saying one should follow the ATS creed: Deny Ignorance.
Read the FULL text of the speech, and don't cherry pick.

There's a great deal of truth in that - I mean I've certainly not told people to "trust the government," the opposite has been said by me over time in fact. And if there was a conspiracy here, I'd certainly be shouting about it... but there just isn't one. No matter how many times some claim so.

With writing this thread I knew some would still reject what I had to say as well, it was just inevitable really.. as you say, some just won't change their minds, no matter what you throw at them. But I knew at least some would appreciate the fact that I'm not just looking for a conspiracy in this case because I want to find one.. but instead that I'm posting here to once and for all debunk this (rather ridiculous) theory because I want to do one thing - Deny Ignorance. Simple as that and It should be something we all aim for here in my opinion.

Also notice the post below yours.. notice how those who disagree with what I posted in my opening post for the most part have very little to say to refute it. There's a reason for that..

Originally posted by Rising Against
reply to post by Tarrasque

 

See, that's the thing.. It's not so much "theory" anymore.

It's well known what JFK was talking about - I highlighted it in my opening post. That's why there's a need for a thread like this.. people need to be made aware of it as many, as far as I can see, are currently not.

Alas, my friend, people will believe what they want to regardless of whether you put reality in front of their eyes or not. Conspiracy theorists tend to be heavily religious individuals (that is, of course, a broad stroke- it is just a generalization). They have faith the same way that a radical Muslim or a Fundamentalist Christian does. Their faith is in their absolute NEED to believe in the big universal conspiracy. The Secret Masters or the Illuminati or the Gnomes of Zurich, when in reality, it is the world being the world. Not to say conspiracies don't happen or that things are not connected. Of course they are, but there are no secret masters. And rich people tend to conspire in the short term but typically fall into infighting, distrust, or disorganization within a short period of time. There are conspiracies but not the grand unification models that many on here fantasize about.

The press, communism, Cold War. That's what Kennedy was talking about in this speech. And to believe Kennedy supported socialism or was "whistleblowing" against his own class? Well that's just basic ignorance of history. Someone perhaps spends a bit too much time on Daily Kos. Although I"m sure there's a right wing Abbot out there to compliment that left wing Costello. Check the JBS website.

It's well known what JFK was talking about

Well known by who?

"preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."

JFK :

Communist mistakes were revealed day after day and promoted in US propaganda, so realistically it is hard to argue that he is talking about communism.

reply to post by magmaiura

so realistically it is hard to argue that he is talking about communism.

JFK himself even said this in his speech:

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

Source is the transcript of the speech found at the JFK Library here.

But of course.. that would be dismissed.

Everything he said can be related to Communism as well. Just read the transcript, it's posted above.. Those who still believe in the Secret Society angle always dismiss the entire 20 minute speech and continue to focus on a very small snippet.

reply to post by Rising Against


Have you understood the quote you posted?

The "it" refers to this secret society "it" conducts the cold war..

Originally posted by magmaiura
reply to post by Rising Against

 

Have you understood the quote you posted?

The "it" refers to this secret society "it" conducts the cold war..

Or.. he's talking about the huge issues going on at the time which were centered around the cold war when he says "It conducts the cold war", not some secret society, lol.

Come on now, let's use logic here. If not, where will it end? He said the word them at one poiunt.. must be immediately assume he's talking about secret societies? How about when he used the words "Hello all".. must be assume he's addressing those members of secret societies out there listening in....

No. Obviously.

I feel you're grasping at straws here..

reply to post by Rising Against


Quote:
"....people need to be made aware of it as many, as far as I can see, are currently not."

Ok - Lets do that.

"They love fridays"

JFK: Quotations:

"It is my firm belief that there should be separation of church and state as we understand it in the United States -- that is, that both church and state should be free to operate, without interference from each other in their respective areas of jurisdiction. We live in a liberal, democratic society which embraces wide varieties of belief and disbelief. There is no doubt in my mind that the pluralism which has developed under our Constitution, providing as it does a framework within which diverse opinions can exist side by side and by their interaction enrich the whole, is the most ideal system yet devised by man. I cannot conceive of a set of circumstances which would lead me to a different conclusion." -- letter to Glenn L. Archer, 23 February 1959

""Whatever one's religion in his private life may be, for the officeholder, nothing takes precedence over his oath to uphold the Constitution and all its parts -- including the First Amendment and the strict separation of church and state." -- Interview, Look, 3 March 1959

""I believe the American people are more concerned with a man's views and abilities than with the church to which he belongs. I believe the founding fathers meant it when they provided in Article VI of the Constitution that there should be no religious test for public office. And I believe that the American people mean to adhere to those principles today." -- address to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, 21 April 1960

www.adherents.com...



New-York Tribune - first established Horace Greeley in 1841

New York Herald - Founded 1835:

In 1924 New-York Tribune was merged with the New York Herald to form the New York Herald Tribune - ceased publication in 1966.

- New York Herald Tribune : Republican Party

Republican Party: Founded - 1854

Preceded by Whig Party
Free Soil Party

Italian Republican Party

Founded 12 April 1895
descent from the political position of Giuseppe Mazzini

Giuseppe Mazzini: 22 June 1805 – 10 March 1872
Father : Giacomo - university professor who had adhered to Jacobin ideology
Mother: Maria Drago - renowned for her beauty and religious (Jansenist) fervour

Jacobin
in the context of the French Revolution, was a member of the Jacobin Club

Jansenism - Christian theological movement, primarily in France, that emphasized original sin, human depravity, the necessity of divine grace, and predestination. The movement originated from the posthumously published work of the Dutch theologian Cornelius Jansen, who died in 1638.

Jacobin Club:
so-named because of the Dominican convent where they met, located in the Rue St. Jacques (Latin: Jacobus), Paris

Dominicans
Dominican Order - Catholic religious order founded by Saint Dominic and approved by Pope Honorius III (1216–27) on 22 December 1216 in France.

Membership in the Order includes friars, nuns, congregations of active sisters, and lay persons affiliated with the order (formerly known as tertiaries, now Lay or Secular Dominicans).

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Tertiaries
Third Order of Saint Dominic

- Primarily the work of the Third Order - established first to help in reform of church discipline.
- Secondly, the order existed to to defend the Church.

Militia Jesu Christi join Ordo de Poenitentia to form the Dominican Third Order.

Militia Jesu Christi
Military order, called the Militia Jesu Christi (soldiery of Jesus Christ).

June 1221 it appears to have been approved by Pope Honorius III, who gave it permission to observe the ordinances of the Order of the Temple of Solomon. In July the Pope appears to have transferred all authority over the foundation of the order (and therefore its survival) to the papal legate Conrad of Urach.

- The specific purpose of the founding was "to promise aid and succour to Amaury de Montfort and his heirs, for the defence of his person and domains and as INQUISITORS for the "SEEKING OUT AND DESTRUTION of evil heretics and their lands and also of THOSE O REBEL AGAINST THE FAITHT of the holy church.

en.wikipedia.org...

Knights Templar
Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon

NOW FRIDAY:
On Friday, October 13, 1307 (a date sometimes spuriously linked with the origin of the Friday the 13th superstition) Philip ordered de Molay and scores of other French Templars to be simultaneously arrested. The arrest warrant started with the phrase : "Dieu n'est pas content, nous avons des ennemis de la foi dans le Royaume" ["God is not pleased. We have enemies of the faith in the kingdom"].

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Pope Clement called for papal hearings to determine the Templars' guilt or innocence, and once freed of the INQUISITORS torture

Who Killed JFK ?

Ask the Vatican.

Excellent thread. One must wonder, though, why he never actually uses the word "communism" if it is truly to what he was referring... Seems like an extravagant dance of words and waste of breath.... It leaves it to question indefinitely.... JFK seemed extraordinarily intelligent... Does anyone know whether he wrote the speech himself? I would love to know.

reply to post by Rising Against


I would just like to say a few things, first of all...JFK is easy to listen to. He is a great orator the likes of which we haven't had the pleasure of having in office for nearly 50 years now...

Anyhow, moving on thank you RA for clearing this up a bit and adding the necessary back-story and appropriate context for which to understand the speech in its entirety.

Having said that, I still believe there is a secret society, group, cabal, whatever you want to call it, that is dead set on ruling this entire planet and securing all of its resources under complete and total control, the most valuable of those resources being human beings.

We can take this speech off the "evidence" list for hidden agenda groups and still end up with a list long enough to investigate the thought.

Having said all that thanks RA for the awesome work, I know that I haven't heard this speech in its entirety before (which I enjoyed) and I learned something new! Which is exactly why I come to ATS.

S&F

Some fun readinng 4 U, since you have expressed inerest:

I do think from JFK's very first day in office that JFK knew of one particular secret society that Eisenhower warned him about as JFK took office, as being the Military Industrial Network's gaining too much power. The mouthpiece of the Mil/Ind Network, that quashed Eisenhower's efforts on peace with Russia and Communism, was the John Birch Society, that was basically set up by Rockefeller, member of fascist Bilderberg globalists, in 1958 using Robert (Candy Man) Welch.

So, when I hear the JFK Secret Society Speech I think immediately of the John Birch Society and that it is bascailly secret alliances back to big money via the Rockefellers and the Fascist Bilderberg members. The Bilderberg set up an industrial intelligence network patterned after IG Farben's NW-7, which also killed people as needed. The Bilderberg NW-7 was called PERMINDEX, meaning "Permanent Industrial Expositions". The meaning was they made an example of people that interferred with their fascist globalist designs and their method was essentially corporate wealth building and ownership to the degree that allowed them to call the shots over any Governement.

PERMINDEX was originally working in Europe and tried to knock of DeGaulle, and they fled Europe and moved the record keeping to South Africa. Control then was taken by Louis Bloomfield of Canada, with ties to JE Hoover and the US "Defense Industrial Security Command/DISC". The "DISC" was a close parallel to NW-7, and was formed to protect Muscle Shoals explosive works and TVA. As we look at Dallas in 1963 we find the raging John Birch militants as persons like General Edwin Walker and his richest man in the country pal HL Hunt. Both these John Birch supporters hated JFK for going soft on Communism, which was also the Rockefeller / Bilderberg theme and alliance with John Birch Society. The Hunt money paid for the JFK is a Communist fliers in Dallas and a huge ad in the newspaper.

Many consider the John Birch Society as the central hate JFK theme and the nexus of the plotters that came to kill JFK. It appears JFK was calling attention to the John Birch Society and their efforts to control the presidency on affairs of state, driving wars against Communism, and forcing Mil/Ind Network control over the Presidency. JFK was naming the problem with the Secret Society and the prime society was the John Birch Society and speaking to their unwarranted influence and that repugnance.

And when we get into the who done it issues of JFK's assassination, we find that HL Hunt is a major player, he belonged to both PERMINDEX and the John Birch Society. HL Hunt was also Pro-NAZI that backed the theme of the Bilderberg's NAZI roots, Fascist Corporatism, and LBJ's plans for NASA using the NAZI rocket scientists. I think we know what JFK was pointing at with the secret society speech and he was putting the Birchers on notice. JFK knew the Birchers were behind all the Communist Escallations in the US.

Bobby worked for the Red Scare's McCarthy so RFK knew this Society well. Vietnam was being pushed by this group to stop Communist encroachments in IndoChina. As JFK is murdered, the Birchers got their way with LBJ ramping up Vietnam and selling his Halliburton/KBR Stock at Parkland Hospital to make that happen without appearing complicit or interest conflicted with Halliburton's profits. One can immediately see the pay-back toward the Bircher's desires for being tough against Communism.

There are those that have heard that the John Birch Society was working to kill JFK with General Walker's loose lips in California's Bircher office at Senator John Rousellot's offices. We have eye witness reports on this from Harry J Dean of California. General Walker had ties to Dallas Mayor Cabel whose brother was Allen Dulles Deputy at the CIA. Dulles and General Cabel were fired over the screw ups on the Cuba Bay of Pigs anti-Communism issue, and they allied with the rabid Bircher General Walker in Dallas. This crew was pushing for Vietman next and LBJ was their man.

This is the real relevance of the JFK Secret Society Speech and it is very telling about lots of the JFK assassination's players. Remember that General Walker was pushed out of the Services for giving out John Birch Society information in Europe and going against JFK's Foreign Policy interests and JFK's plan for peaceful coexistance with the Russians. It was this like effort that Khruschev was trying to do with Eisenhower.

We find the General Cabel is behind the U-2 issues and also the UFO issues that link back to NAZI experiments with nuclear weapons and aircraft at White Sands, near Roswell. JFK demanded to know the UFO secrets and that was a death warrant for General Cabel if the CIA told JFK about that huge cover up. With that they turned loose the PERMINDEX assassination unit to kill JFK in Dallas. It is all pretty obvious as to the alliances of the players and who all JFK was going to put in jail, which included LBJ.

Lee Oswald's CIA connections linked back to General Cabel and PERMINDEX to aggrivate the problems with Russia and stop the Eisenhower and Khruschev peace making process. That was LHO's mission into Russia. JFK has put together some of the games of the CIA to stop the peace with Russia and most likely found out from back channel connections to Khruschev himself. So, LHO is recruited into the Dallas plan and we can see this happen with his line dropping at the Atomic Museum in Oak Ridge with a Visitor Register's entry from July 1963. LHO was penetrating this plot to kill JFK that originated at Oak Ridge and it used Jack Ruby in Dallas as the prime arranger for the JFK hit's formulation. Most say the plot to kill JFK originated in Oak Ridge due to JFK's resistance to Ben Gurion's Bomb. The Oak Ridge Nuclear Weapons plant's person behind the original plot origination in Oak Ridge attented a church named Wallace Memorial Baptist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, which had the same theme as John Birch and Communist China.

It went on to recruit all these players, as Oak Ridge's jobs depended in the need of nuclear weapons and the last thing they wanted was peace with the Russians. JFK had found the John Birch Secret Society's players, their alliances with Bilderbergers, and JFK was eliminating them for interference with his affairs of state. So, General Cable, Allen Dulles, and Bissel had to go. General Walker's German Command's alliance with the JBS had to go. And JFK was going to make Peace with Russia and also Cuba, so this corrupt secret society crew decided JFK had to go. When JFK went after Isreal's nuclear proliferation to insure peace with Russia, the Zionist's of Oak Ridge decided JFK had to go, and LBJ supported the Zionist getting the bomb for Israel. It was a very big plot to kill JFK and an intricate system for political pay offs toward the various factions.


Lots more: www.doewatch.com...

Good take on it.

But there's no doubt secret societies exist and no doubt that JFK knew about them.

Originally posted by galactictuan
Good take on it.

But there's no doubt secret societies exist and no doubt that JFK knew about them.

It's worth pointing out.. did I say that they do not exist, regardless of what I actually believe? No, I never.

What I said was he's obviously not talking about then during his "The President and the Press" speech. Which he's not..

Anyway, I'm pretty much just up so I'll reply to others in a short while.

Originally posted by jlm912
Excellent thread. One must wonder, though, why he never actually uses the word "communism" if it is truly to what he was referring...

You have to put it in context. He gave this speech exactly one week after anoth er speech to a similar audience, the Society of Newspaper Editors, in which he said:

First, it is clear that the forces of communism are not to be underestimated, in Cuba or anywhere else in the world. The advantages of a police state-its use of mass terror and arrests to prevent the spread of free dissent--cannot be overlooked by those who expect the fall of every fanatic tyrant. If the self-discipline of the free cannot match the iron discipline of the mailed fist-in economic, political, scientific and all the other kinds of struggles as well as the military-then the peril to freedom will continue to rise.
Secondly, it is clear that this Nation, in concert with all the free nations of this hemisphere, must take an ever closer and more realistic look at the menace of external Communist intervention and domination in Cuba. The American people are not complacent about Iron Curtain tanks and planes less than 90 miles from their shore. But a nation of Cuba's size is less a threat to our survival than it is a base for subverting the survival of other free nations throughout the hemisphere. It is not primarily our interest or our security but theirs which is now, today, in the greater peril. It is for their sake as well as our own that we must show our will.

The speech to the Newspaper Publisher's Association is a continuation of the speech a week earlier to the Society of Newspaper Editors—the same topics were still on his mind, but he'd had another week to think about the failed Bay of Pigs invasion (which happened 5 days before the first speech).

Originally posted by TheMindWar
Never has this speech been more relevant than it is today

Indeed. As JFK called for more secrecy by the press, he would have been appalled by things like WikiLeaks.

Originally posted by magmaiura
"preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."

JFK :

Communist mistakes were revealed day after day and promoted in US propaganda, so realistically it is hard to argue that he is talking about communism.

That part is JFK referring to the bungling of the CIA. The invasion of Cuba should have been concealed, not published. But Cuba knew about it weeks in advance because it had been leaked to the press.