Harry Potter is the devil (not really)

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull

It was also strange that in my household Lord of the Rings and Narnia were both perfectly acceptable but Harry Potter, when it eventually gained popularity, was definitely not.

Obviously I cannot speak for your household but I can offer this.

The HP Septology has become, many would well argue, the shared text of our time (21st century). This is a very, very powerful medium, this "shared text", usually reserved for epoch tomes such as The Bible. Nonetheless, next to The Bible, the HP Septology is the most translated, most purchased and most read books in the history of Man.

i went to christian summer camps as a kid, but they were nothing like this. it was all about swimming, football, snow cones, and go karts. we did have worship in the evenings, but it was pretty progressive and more about love and acceptance than "don't do x,y, and z or you'll burn in hell".

i enjoyed the harry potter series and i found it very christian. C.S. lewis describes the use of magic in his books and is arguably even more specific in it's use, yet he's a famous christian author.

these are the christian themes i saw in the book (spoilers):
lily potter dying for harry out of love, and this act affording harry protection from voldemort (evil. strangely enough voldemort means "field of death")

the recurring theme of a pure soul being powerful and beautiful in the next life, while those who use their souls for evil in this life are crippled and suffer in the next.

harry potter treats elves, goblins, "lower class" wizards and muggles with the same dignity and respect that he does his superiors.

the quotes on the tombstones in godric's hollow "the last enemy that shall be defeated is death" and "where your treasure is, there will your heart be also".

the books are well written, attract a broad audience, and are full of life lessons.

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz

i enjoyed the harry potter series and i found it very christian. C.S. lewis describes the use of magic in his books and is arguably even more specific in it's use, yet he's a famous christian author.

Ms. Rowling has been forthcoming as the Septology was concluded regarding this and I point you to:

Victor Dix On J. K. Rowling's Hidden Christian Agenda

these are the christian themes i saw in the book (spoilers):
lily potter dying for harry out of love, and this act affording harry protection from voldemort (evil. strangely enough voldemort means "field of death")

the recurring theme of a pure soul being powerful and beautiful in the next life, while those who use their souls for evil in this life are crippled and suffer in the next.

Here is an interesting article for you.

Is Harry Potter The Son Of God?

harry potter treats elves, goblins, "lower class" wizards and muggles with the same dignity and respect that he does his superiors.

the quotes on the tombstones in godric's hollow "the last enemy that shall be defeated is death" and "where your treasure is, there will your heart be also".

the books are well written, attract a broad audience, and are full of life lessons.

Rowling had told us where to look to find out what is coming in the final book Deathly Hallows – look to her Christianity. She has told us that it’s so easy a "10-year -old could figure it out". The secret to Harry Potter is tied to Rowling’s Christianity.

The master of the red herring has done it. She has tricked the entire world. What appears to be a book about witchcraft is a story at least superficially about Jesus Christ.

An interesting discussion led by Victor Dix. Dix is/was the NOC subscribed by Warner to follow the security of the main characters, Ms. Rowling's mental health, the required assistance in finishing the last 4 books and other intelligence related missions.

Victor Dix on Proof Harry Is Rowling's "Jesus"

reply to post by PulsusMeusGallo

i wouldn't say that she put in a "hidden christian agenda", as that suggests that there is something dishonest and nefarious regarding the way she went about doing it.

the theme of making a selfless sacrifice comes up quite a few times in the series, though i wouldn't exactly say that harry=jesus. i see harry as more like "christian" from pilgrim's progress. sure, the "resurrection" analogy can be made at the end of the 7th book, but technically harry never died, voldemort just killed a piece of himself. it seems more like harry made a leap of faith, thinking he was going to die so that others could live, and the reward for his faith is his life.

if christian's journey to the city is considered the story of a man struggling to walk the narrow path fraught with peril, but in the end he triumphs despite the mistakes he made along the way, then i would consider the saga of harry potter to be very similar but more accessible and appealing to a wider audience.

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
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i wouldn't say that she put in a "hidden christian agenda", as that suggests that there is something dishonest and nefarious regarding the way she went about doing it.

That would be your interpretation, it certainly is not mine. Rowling had no other choice but to keep her Christian intentions on the down low as Dix points out in the links I presented regarding Warner Brothers and their influence on Rowling...which can be extrapolated that Victor Dix provided the "muscle" for that intervention.

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so what are you suggesting? that the christian ethics in the story are corrupting kids? i don't understand your point.

the direction the series went would have been more obvious if everyone knew the potter series was an allegory of biblical concepts. it probably would have been labeled as a "christian book" and less people would have read it.

the "luke, i am your father" part of starwars was kept from everyone, even most of the actors, until it was said while they were filming. the person portraying luke didn't even know. does that mean george lucas was deceitful in a truly negative way? no.

no one is debating that she kept it secret, but doesn't every good author strive to keep the plot of their future books a mystery? what do you find wrong with what she did?

The answers you are looking for are in Victor Dix Jottit Letters. Some are in the alt.fan.harry.potter newsgruppe. None of the up close and personal is.

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by PulsusMeusGallo

 

so what are you suggesting? that the christian ethics in the story are corrupting kids? i don't understand your point.

I am not suggesting, I am reporting that Rowling was forced by Warner Brothers contractually not to discuss the underlying nature of the Christian themes in her books. WB did not want her "hidden agenda" to become public knowledge. Rowling confirmed this in several post-DH interviews.

the direction the series went would have been more obvious if everyone knew the potter series was an allegory of biblical concepts. it probably would have been labeled as a "christian book" and less people would have read it.

Precisely.

the "luke, i am your father" part of starwars was kept from everyone, even most of the actors, until it was said while they were filming. the person portraying luke didn't even know. does that mean george lucas was deceitful in a truly negative way? no.

Was Rowling for keeping everyone from knowing Dumbeldore was gay?

no one is debating that she kept it secret, but doesn't every good author strive to keep the plot of their future books a mystery? what do you find wrong with what she did?

edit on 17-3-2012 by Bob Sholtz because: (no reason given)

Rowling's hidden agenda remains well hidden. Her interviews et al have not been much of an exposure to her intentions of writing a positively slanted, christian themed book.

In a way, she sold out and continues to sell out.

Originally posted by AlchemicalBinoculars
The answers you are looking for are in Victor Dix Jottit Letters. Some are in the alt.fan.harry.potter newsgruppe. None of the up close and personal is.

Dix's Letters are gone from Jottit. First, the password failed. Next, the site was abolished. Victor Dix is gone, I have had no contact with him for months now.

I am seriously concerned for his whereabouts.

Originally posted by PulsusMeusGallo

Originally posted by AlchemicalBinoculars
The answers you are looking for are in Victor Dix Jottit Letters. Some are in the alt.fan.harry.potter newsgruppe. None of the up close and personal is.

Dix's Letters are gone from Jottit. First, the password failed. Next, the site was abolished. Victor Dix is gone, I have had no contact with him for months now.

I am seriously concerned for his whereabouts.

I have the screenshots.

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None of those things are really christian themes, they are found in lots of other places besides the bible.

reply to post by PulsusMeusGallo

i still don't see what the problem is. the books got a wider audience and the future plot was more of a mystery. the message gets spread farther. sure, WB was probably only thinking of $$$, but their greed turned out to be beneficial in the end.

i'm a christian, and i have several homosexual friends. her including one as a main character (though not flippantly at all) in this day and age shouldn't be an issue. love is a far more effective way to reach someone than the thinly disguised loathing most christians treat gays with.

Originally posted by jjkenobi
Let me guess... all you people here also make fun of Islam when they brainwash their kids that America is the Great Satan right? Or is it only fun to make fun of Christians?

it's more fun to make fun of christians because their all up in our faces telling us all about how were going to hell.

why shouldn't the middle east hate us? it's not like we've been attacking them for years or anything.

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U2U re: screenshots

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by PulsusMeusGallo

 

None of those things are really christian themes, they are found in lots of other places besides the bible.

I would disagree. All are Christian themes...which can be found in several pre-Christian texts.

reply to post by Bob Sholtz


Rowling thinly disguised, if disguised at all, use of the Gringotts Goblins as greedy, self-centered and obnoxiously ugly caricatures for Jews certainly did not help her Christian agenda, imo.

Poor kids! these are the same idiots who vote in the same crooks and criminals and think it is ok to bomb countries who never did anything to us, and believe the 9/11 official story.

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How are they christian themes, if they can be found long before christianty?

Originally posted by jjkenobi
Let me guess... all you people here also make fun of Islam when they brainwash their kids that America is the Great Satan right? Or is it only fun to make fun of Christians?

So you agree that this and Islam is the same kind of brainwashing? Were not making fun of it we're condemning it for the pernicious practice that it is. This type of brainwashing breeds hate. At least the Christians have stopped killing people over this kind of crap whereas a large faction of Islam still thinks it's OK to kill people who do not believe as they do.

Does that make it OK for us to kill Islamic people that have done nothing to us? No of course not.

Originally posted by PulsusMeusGallo
reply to post by Bob Sholtz

 

Rowling thinly disguised, if disguised at all, use of the Gringotts Goblins as greedy, self-centered and obnoxiously ugly caricatures for Jews certainly did not help her Christian agenda, imo.

I think that has more to do with the Gnomes of Zürich
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